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C2C - 2.0 posted:I doubt Roe v. Wade will get overturned so much as you'll probably see more & more of the stupid restrictive poo poo like building codes & admitting priveleges(sic) used to whittle the whole thing away. I'm convinced Trump gives functionally zero fucks about SCOTUS and is just going to turn to Pence or the Republican controlled congress and tell them to figure it out. At which point they will go out of their way to find Scalia 2.0, and as soon as he's confirmed they'll start throwing as much poo poo at the wall as they can and see what sticks. There's no way Roe v. Wade survives such a scenario.
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Murgos posted:There are, according to the last census around 169 million white people of voting age in the US. ~*Staying home and not voting is as good as supporting Trump.*~ This goes for the obama minority voters who stayed home as well, but they are much less troubling of a societal problem due to being fewer in number.
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Fojar38 posted:Markets have actually been fine since the shock of the upset wore off. Prison and Drug stocks are way up obviously Trump has been pushing cross-border pharmaceutical importation, actually, so maybe that second group isn't as smart as they think they are!
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Salvor_Hardin posted:If it's consolation, he's probably going to be miserable once he actually has the job. If you want to feel even worse, know that this is 100% true and he's going to take his feelings out on the entire world around him.
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Guy Goodbody posted:What's the alternative? If we just write off white people, they're racists, we can't reach them through anything but racism, what's the future for Democrats? Sitting patiently until demographics shift? That's it? Make angry forum posts.
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FactsAreUseless posted:I sincerely cannot wrap my head around this. Obviously being a white progressive doesn't make you immune to having racist ideas, but the idea of being consciously racist, and of making a decision like this even if you don't articulate it as such, is bizarre to me. I recognize that it happens, and I recognize that racism is a thing, but it's such a weird feeling to be like "I don't even know how I would talk to a white person with these ideas, because I do not understand them." The white establishment has spent literally centuries coming up with alternate rationalizations for racism so people could be racist without feeling racist. Murgos posted:There are, according to the last census around 169 million white people of voting age in the US. Whites who didn't care enough to show up and vote against racism can't really get a clear pass here. It's like saying you're not racist because you didn't stop to help that white cop beat an innocent black man to death...even though you saw it happen and just kept walking without doing anything about it.
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Squashing Machine posted:I didn't vote for Trump, and I don't spend time fantasizing about extinguishing people. Excusing this kind of poo poo is infantilizing at best and hate at worst. I didn't say you did vote for Trump, but I think voting for a fascist is unarguably more hateful than the benign statement that a ton of white people not existing would make the world a somewhat better place for many others. He didn't say he actually wants it to happen, you know.
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Seriously, how do you people not get that doing nothing = supporting the status quo = supporting white supremacy. This poo poo's been known since the 60s.The MLK White People Try To Forget posted:First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season.
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Guy Goodbody posted:What's the alternative? If we just write off white people, they're racists, we can't reach them through anything but racism, what's the future for Democrats? Sitting patiently until demographics shift? That's it? I mean, its pretty much on the "good" white people to spend the next 4 years REALLY forcing the issue on the terrible white people they come across, and not just ignoring them or recounting the tales of their awfulness to black people for brownie points. Yall should have the verbal boot up the rear end of white people 24/7 for the next 4 years. They shouldn't be able to have a polite discussion about poo poo until they explain why they think being hateful bigots is okay and why they believe white nationalism is okay, and until they rescind those beliefs, that will be the only topic of conversation. Us minorities can't do that for you. They LIE to us in our faces about how they vote, who they voted for, what they believe.
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FactsAreUseless posted:I sincerely cannot wrap my head around this. Obviously being a white progressive doesn't make you immune to having racist ideas, but the idea of being consciously racist, and of making a decision like this even if you don't articulate it as such, is bizarre to me. I recognize that it happens, and I recognize that racism is a thing, but it's such a weird feeling to be like "I don't even know how I would talk to a white person with these ideas, because I do not understand them." Most people don't actually see it that way, though. Even your most overt confederate flag toting skinhead probably doesn't go around think of themselves as "racist." It's not about "gently caress the blacks/latinos/ladies/etc", it's about "reducing crime", or "restoring the community" or "traditional values". Dog whistles exist for a reason.
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:Seriously, how do you people not get that doing nothing = supporting the status quo = supporting white supremacy. This poo poo's been known since the 60s. poo poo like the posters here make me agree with Ultron more and more, especially since he said this which p much mirrored MLK: Thor: If you desire peace than let us keep it. Ultron: I think you're confusing peace with quiet. That exchange went over most white folks heads but a lot of the black people I know caught that poo poo.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Also there's the bit of me that's like "huh, Trump really did have the biggest and hugest support and totally crushed it by being the best despite all the poo poo saying he couldn't possibly win, so maybe I'm just loving insane and the world actually works that way and all the other ways he says." He's not. What he does have, however, is decades worth of smear campaigns,media training a base to love men like him while ignoring reality, normal media too gutless to drop its "balance" for truth, government agencies dedicated to killing his competitor's campaign at all costs with bullshit "investigations," Russian propaganda doing everything they can to get a sympathetic idiot in charge, and good old fashioned racist/sexism of butthurt whites smarting from a colored person daring to assume he could do his job without their say so to keep carry him to victory. It was a perfect storm of bullshit to make the worst candidate take the helm.
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PKJC posted:I didn't say you did vote for Trump, but I think voting for a fascist is unarguably more hateful than the benign statement that a ton of white people not existing would make the world a somewhat better place for many others. He didn't say he actually wants it to happen, you know. I fail to meaningfully distinguish between someone saying "my life would be better if all these people stopped existing" and whether they "want" for it to happen
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negromancer posted:Apparently its not, because it affects white people at roughly the same level in their lives. it makes me happy to see how much better this forum's become in such a short time since i got probated for saying roughly 65% of white americans should be put in concentration camps
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*black people go out and vote for Clinton in the primaries* *black people don't show up at the election* What did they mean by this?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Trump has been pushing cross-border pharmaceutical importation, actually, so maybe that second group isn't as smart as they think they are!
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:As someone who is about to be banned, all I have to say is you may be able to avoid being banned http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3797259
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Guy Goodbody posted:What's the alternative? If we just write off white people, they're racists, we can't reach them through anything but racism, what's the future for Democrats? Sitting patiently until demographics shift? That's it? Pretty much. This nation has bigotry rotting out its very core and there's nothing that can be done to save it any more. We lost. That's it. Good try, everyone, but hatred and evil wins in the end.
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Doesn't SCOTUS need a (legal) impetus to reopen cases? I mean, I suppose it's possible that if a new justice is confirmed, they can just go, "Whelp, time to visit Roe v. Wade again" but that doesn't sound right to me.
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Squashing Machine posted:I fail to meaningfully distinguish between someone saying "my life would be better if all these people stopped existing" and whether they "want" for it to happen It's okay, maybe you will learn how to. There are people who would without question make my life better by not being around but it doesn't mean I lust for their death, much less would do anything to try to make that happen. Recognizing uncomfortable and gross facts about how lovely society is != hateful.
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So if I'm reading this right, Trump basically got the same support as McCaine/Romney, it was just a massively depressed turnout for Democrats? Did the voter suppression poo poo have an appreciable effect?
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Who What Now posted:Pretty much. This nation has bigotry rotting out its very core and there's nothing that can be done to save it any more. Except that Obama won. Twice. So it is possible to overcome that core-rot
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:So if I'm reading this right, Trump basically got the same support as McCaine/Romney, it was just a massively depressed turnout for Democrats? Did the voter suppression poo poo have an appreciable effect? It did if the voter suppression was called being Hillary Rodham Clinton
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C2C - 2.0 posted:Doesn't SCOTUS need a (legal) impetus to reopen cases? I mean, I suppose it's possible that if a new justice is confirmed, they can just go, "Whelp, time to visit Roe v. Wade again" but that doesn't sound right to me. I posted it earlier but they would need a relevant case to be appealed to them, accepted, and then a ruling would need to be issued that overrides a previous ruling.
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turn back warren noooooo https://twitter.com/thehill/status/796440244379848708
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C2C - 2.0 posted:Doesn't SCOTUS need a (legal) impetus to reopen cases? I mean, I suppose it's possible that if a new justice is confirmed, they can just go, "Whelp, time to visit Roe v. Wade again" but that doesn't sound right to me. Seriously, things are hosed. Hope you all got your selective service cards up to date because you will likely be going to war.
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One thing that I don't see people talking about is that running on a pro-woman platform has failed the Democrats twice. Now and in 2014. Apparently women's rights aren't a big vote-getter
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Guy Goodbody posted:Except that Obama won. Twice. So it is possible to overcome that core-rot Unless we can clone Obama and clones don't count for term limits, I don't think that we can. Because now that the white supremacists are emboldened it's only ever going to get worse.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Except that Obama won. Twice. So it is possible to overcome that core-rot Somewhat, though you can understand the gloom and doom attitude a lot of folks have; a lot of legal protections for people hard-won over several decades are now in very precarious standing, and it all seemed, at the national level, to come out of left field.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:*black people go out and vote for Clinton in the primaries* They mean voter suppression and disenfranchisement works, and anything other than that is them trying to shift the blame away from racist white people onto the shoulders of minorities, literally no different than their racist white relatives.
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C2C - 2.0 posted:Doesn't SCOTUS need a (legal) impetus to reopen cases? I mean, I suppose it's possible that if a new justice is confirmed, they can just go, "Whelp, time to visit Roe v. Wade again" but that doesn't sound right to me. It's not difficult to drum up a new legal challenge and appeal it all the way up to SCOTUS. Time consuming sure, but not difficult. As a poster mentioned earlier, all it takes is one uppity marriage clerk to refuse to offer a marriage license to a gay couple to spark a legal challenge based on Obergefell v. Hodges
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Guy Goodbody posted:One thing that I don't see people talking about is that running on a pro-woman platform has failed the Democrats twice. Now and in 2014. Apparently women's rights aren't a big vote-getter This election pretty much proved that white women don't give a gently caress about other women.
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HorseRenoir posted:turn back warren noooooo
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:So if I'm reading this right, Trump basically got the same support as McCaine/Romney, it was just a massively depressed turnout for Democrats? Did the voter suppression poo poo have an appreciable effect? Probably but Hillary shouldn't have done so poorly it was that close.
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HorseRenoir posted:turn back warren noooooo
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Gimme odds on the House having Trump on a leash with veiled threats of impeachment over Trump U, Trump foundation and rape cases if he stirs up poo poo during his 4 years.
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HorseRenoir posted:turn back warren noooooo Yep. Party is dead. Leftism is dead in America. We're all dead.
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HorseRenoir posted:turn back warren noooooo They all will say poo poo like this so that Republicans will have slightly less ammo to poo poo on them with when Democrats try and stop the Make Wages Great Again bill.
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Squashing Machine posted:But we can devote large swathes of time to complaining about the alt-right and berniebros? Do things only exist if you personally think they're important? I think it's perfectly valid to point out these damaging and ultimately useless parts of the discourse. You're dodging the question. Again, who is framing the issue as whites vs. everyone else? Don't bear that goalpost on your back like a cross. Posters on SA going "lol loving whitey" are about as relevant to the actual political discourse as goddamn Furries comparing their 'struggle' to the Civil Rights Movement.
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