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OWLS!
Sep 17, 2009

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
The protest crowd in boston also appeared to be mostly white.

Chanting no to racism.

I mean that's cool.

Are these trump supporters?

Is somebody being racist against them?

IDGI.

Kill Whitey.

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Raccooon
Dec 5, 2009

Looks like the GOP is thinking about making Medicaid block granted. That will be the death of medicaid right?

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

corn in the bible posted:

no, no, i am sure all those whites will die in the next 4 years and we can retake the senate and house and save freedom. clinton 2020

Ahahahaha Hillary's legacy has been so irredeemably, so indelibly obliterated by her catastrophically egregious failure you should bury her reputation at a Superfund nuclear waste disposal site. She's going to hide so hard from the public spotlight that W. Bush will be impressed.

Maybe she'll discover painting as a hobby too and come up with some nice looking artwork to auction off as well?

e: She loving lost Pennsylvania. How in the gently caress does that even happen? :psyduck:

Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Nov 10, 2016

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral

BarbarianElephant posted:

The problem with nominating someone with more charisma is that Bernie had less charm than Hillary. Would have been hard.
Sad as it is, I could honestly see the media playing up 'gruff, shouty old white man vs. bombastic shouty old orange man' as a battle of different styles of charismatic plain-speaking.

Butch Cassidy
Jul 28, 2010

Trump drat well better make America great, again. My current town doesn't even put out a table of home-baked goodies for voters. :smithcloud:

SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013

BarbarianElephant posted:

The problem with nominating someone with more charisma is that Bernie had less charm than Hillary. Would have been hard.

Ah yes the woman who spoke in robotic sounding focus tested mantras was extremely charming.

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

Not a Step posted:

Can I join yours?

drat this guy is an argument aikdo master im fuckin undone

given your attitude towards minority concerns i think it might behoove you to meditate on the normalizing nature of ironic bigotry and why it is exactly you enjoy allegedly pretending to be a bigot

Wizard Master
Mar 25, 2008

I am glad that Donald Trump won, because it's a blow to PC SJW culture that has become so popular lately.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

Deadulus posted:

Looks like the GOP is thinking about making Medicaid block granted. That will be the death of medicaid right?

Already confirmed that a bill to block grant Medicaid will be coming up in the first 100 days.

Currently Medicaid pays based on the number of people that qualify for it and pays for services that are determined by the Center for Medicare and Medicaid.

Block granting it would just give the states a chunk of money and let them decide what to cover. If lots more people need Medicaid in a given year, then the state has to either reduce benefits, raise eligibility thresholds to kick people off, or raise state taxes because they only get a fixed amount and not a per-patient amount.

OWLS!
Sep 17, 2009

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

BarbarianElephant posted:

The problem with nominating someone with more charisma is that Bernie had less charm than Hillary. Would have been hard.

The man could speak, he was like a cute crazy new yorker grandad. He was cozy to listen to, and a bit crazy, in fact, the perfect candidate.

pocket pool
Aug 4, 2003

B U T T S

Bleak Gremlin

Wizard Master posted:

I am glad that Donald Trump won, because it's a blow to PC SJW culture that has become so popular lately.

A measured and mature opinion on a pervasive problem.

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

Not a Step posted:

Ahahahahahahaha

Yeah. The DNC sure was nice to the progressives. It was those Berniebros (invented and marketed by Hillary and Co) that raised all the ruckus. And the DNC certainly didnt shaft Bernie to crown their failure of a Yaaaas Qweeen.

You talk like Democrats were big meanies because they didn't hand their votes to Sanders.

Sanders couldn't win his own party. He lost bigly.

BarbarianElephant
Feb 12, 2015
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

SunAndSpring posted:

Ah yes the woman who spoke in robotic sounding focus tested mantras was extremely charming.

No, but Bernie was worse. Probably he should have been the candidate but he would have lost. The alt right would have *loved* to remind us how Jewish he is.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

pocket pool posted:

A measured and mature opinion on a pervasive problem.

This Is What The Electorate Actually Believes

greatn
Nov 15, 2006

by Lowtax

BarbarianElephant posted:

No, but Bernie was worse. Probably he should have been the candidate but he would have lost. The alt right would have *loved* to remind us how Jewish he is.

Bernie having no charisma is actually what people found charming. It only works if you are a man though.

Raccooon
Dec 5, 2009

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Already confirmed that a bill to block grant Medicaid will be coming up in the first 100 days.

Currently Medicaid pays based on the number of people that qualify for it and pays for services that are determined by the Center for Medicare and Medicaid.

Block granting it would just give the states a chunk of money and let them decide what to cover. If lots more people need Medicaid in a given year, then the state has to either reduce benefits, raise eligibility thresholds to kick people off, or raise state taxes because they only get a fixed amount and not a per-patient amount.

So depending on the state, this is really loving bad.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
To those of you that have Regressive Senators and Cogress Reps, please tell you're other leftish peeps to call and write letters that say not to be shitheels.

I don't know, it worked with SOPA.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster
Also, Trump's YUGE tax cut for "All Americans" doesn't count if you are a single parent, disabled, or if you are at a low enough income level to pay federal income taxes, but only in the lowest 10% bracket (which actually goes UP to 12% under Trump's tax cut plan:

quote:

NYU Law’s Lily Batchelder conservatively estimates that 25 million individuals and 15 million children would see their taxes go up under Trump’s plan. That's about 20 percent of households with minor children at home, and includes more than half of all single parents. The combination of an increased bottom rate, Trump's total elimination of personal exemptions for taxpayers and dependents, and his abolishing of "head of household" filing status, often used by single parents or single caretakers, leaves many people in the middle class worse off.

Batchelder provides several examples of families that would see their taxes go up under Trump’s plan. The biggest hikes number in the thousands of dollars and are concentrated among single parents:

A single parent with $75,000 in earnings, two children in school, and no child care costs (because the kids are in school) would pay $2,440 more.
A single parent with $50,000 in earnings, three children in school, and child care costs of less than $6,000 would pay $1,188 more.
A married couple with $50,000 in earnings, two kids in school, and no child care costs would pay $150 more because of the bottom bracket's increase from 10 to 12 percent.

The Tax Policy Center still finds that Trump would on average cut taxes for every income segment, though a minority of the middle class would face hikes. Ryan’s plan offers very modest cuts across the board in 2017 but by 2025 would start increasing them for upper-middle-class people in the 80th to 95th percentile. Given that it also raises the bottom rate and repeals personal exemptions — just like Trump’s plan — it’s quite likely that many families lower down will see tax hikes as well.

Investors and corporations, by contrast, would do extremely well under both Ryan and Trump’s plans. Ryan's plan would effectively decrease the top tax rate on capital gains and dividends from 23.8 percent to 16.5 percent, and on interest income from 43.4 percent to 16.5 percent, according to the Tax Policy Center.

Dr Christmas
Apr 24, 2010

Berninating the one percent,
Berninating the Wall St.
Berninating all the people
In their high rise penthouses!
🔥😱🔥🔫👴🏻
So is there a way to continually point out that Hillary won the popular vote without sounding like a gigantic baby?

I'm wondering about the women's vote. I'm shocked that white women went for Trump as hard as they did. In 2012, there was a lot of talk about Obama winning single women and Romney winning married women. Are there statistics demonstrating a a similar trend with Clinton or Trump?

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

FactsAreUseless posted:

Man, the letters they send from prison are going to be cutting AF.

Yep. They'll be smuggled out in peoples asses.

And those of you saying "DNC BURN IT TO THE GROUND!" what do you want it to do to change? Go full COMMUNISM NOW? I feel like going "gently caress Wall Street/Corporations" is just going to cause more problems because the idea that they're what drives the economy is so deeply ingrained, it would be like trying to get people to accept Basketball to be the national sport over Baseball.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

Deadulus posted:

So depending on the state, this is really loving bad.

This is bad in every state. Even states with the healthiest populations and most generous policies can't control when there are huge influxes of new beneficiaries, like in 2008. They will all have a fixed budget.

Additionally, block granting means that additional Medicaid spending has to be approved in the budget every single year. Currently they just pay for whoever qualifies. It is designed to slowly wither the program away.

It also gives lovely states total freedom to be lovely, but even states that WANT to do right won't be able to.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

Schizotek posted:

Which valid concerns are these? If you're talking poo poo like BLM or muslims, then there's a huge problem with legitimizing those beliefs. Ignore the validity of them for a second.
If democrats conceded that yeah, maybe BLM are white hating terrorists or whatever, why would that make them more likely to vote for Democrats who only want to do some namby pamby moderate solution? Historically conceding to these sorts of xenophobic wedge issues only gives more power to the more extreme faction, and does nothing to help the moderate one. I think people are getting confused and thinking places like tumblr and this forum are somehow representative of actual loving society, where people go to pretty extreme lengths to avoid calling people racist bigots.

It's jobs, dummy.

You know that whole Sanders narrative of "The elites are loving you over and you are being abandoned?" Trump took that and ran with it; Hillary satisfied herself with lecturing the Deplorables as Deplorables and attempted to move around them to try and (arrogantly) win the Presidency while literally abandoning/mocking/villifying a significant percentage of the overall population and playing into the Establishment side of the Establishment/Anti-Establishment divide that this election turned out to be focused on as its zeitgeist.

Engaging does not mean Triangularization or Third Wayism. It means approaching these people as human beings instead of as caricatures. Basically learn how to be able to sit and have a conversation with a repellent human being instead of dismissing them or ending up looking like a massive hypocrite in doing the whole "We go high, they go low" then immediately turning to straight-up attack them.

Like, yeah, they're terrible, Deplorable human beings, but attacking them while you're running a campaign is a terrible idea. That line only rings hollow at best and antagonizes them at worst, driving them to the polls with genuine enthusiasm versus the forced enthusiasm in the BernieBros-for-Hillary camp. Save all that for after you secure the Presidency first if you have to. Don't count your chickens before they hatch, etc. When it's election season, loving unite first and shut down any squabbling as a ironclad alliance because of what's on the line, then indulge in squabbling after you win the country (ie the Eternal Leftist Dilemma).

Does any of that make sense?

Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Nov 10, 2016

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


So happy to see protests everywhere.

Someone should come up with a tool to integrate policy, laws, elections, etc. into peoples' daily lives. It'll keep people engaged.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

twistedmentat posted:

Yep. They'll be smuggled out in peoples asses.

And those of you saying "DNC BURN IT TO THE GROUND!" what do you want it to do to change? Go full COMMUNISM NOW? I feel like going "gently caress Wall Street/Corporations" is just going to cause more problems because the idea that they're what drives the economy is so deeply ingrained, it would be like trying to get people to accept Basketball to be the national sport over Baseball.

love of wall street is so deeply ingrained into the populace that trump opposed it and now is president

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

Pollyanna posted:

So happy to see protests everywhere.

Someone should come up with a tool to integrate policy, laws, elections, etc. into peoples' daily lives. It'll keep people engaged.

After all this stuff in the US and Europe you seriously suggest more direct democracy as a great way forward?

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

After all this stuff in the US and Europe you seriously suggest more direct democracy as a great way forward?

Fuckin' something, I don't know.

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

Pollyanna posted:

So happy to see protests everywhere.

Someone should come up with a tool to integrate policy, laws, elections, etc. into peoples' daily lives. It'll keep people engaged.

an app developer slowly rises up from behind the couch, one finger raised in an "actually" gesture, and says "ill start the gofundme!"

Raccooon
Dec 5, 2009

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

This is bad in every state. Even states with the healthiest populations and most generous policies can't control when there are huge influxes of new beneficiaries, like in 2008. They will all have a fixed budget.

Additionally, block granting means that additional Medicaid spending has to be approved in the budget every single year. Currently they just pay for whoever qualifies. It is designed to slowly wither the program away.

It also gives lovely states total freedom to be lovely, but even states that WANT to do right won't be able to.

Yeah I live in a really lovely state that already complains about Medicaid in the budget. People are so screwed here.

Gorewar
Dec 24, 2004

Bang your head

PhazonLink posted:

To those of you that have Regressive Senators and Cogress Reps, please tell you're other leftish peeps to call and write letters that say not to be shitheels.

I don't know, it worked with SOPA.

I'm going to guess that as well as an axing of net neutrality is going to be coming up in the next two years...

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

After all this stuff in the US and Europe you seriously suggest more direct democracy as a great way forward?

Probably a lot of people are in favor of getting rid of the Electoral College at this point.

Albinator
Mar 31, 2010

Wizard Master posted:

I am glad that Donald Trump won, because it's a blow to PC SJW culture that has become so popular lately.

I thought this post was garbage personally

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

BarbarianElephant posted:

No, but Bernie was worse. Probably he should have been the candidate but he would have lost. The alt right would have *loved* to remind us how Jewish he is.

Who knows whether or not Sanders would have won or lost.

He may have been the driving force to stem/reverse the tide of low Democratic turnout.

He may have been mired in a swamp of defending socialism to a country that associates it with the cold war, and gotten nowhere.

Based on the posts I've seen here, I'm starting to think that there are a lot of sour grapes Sanders supporters who took their ball and went home just like a lot of Clinton supporters thought they would.

Tatsuta Age
Apr 21, 2005

so good at being in trouble


Albinator posted:

I thought this post was garbage personally

:same:

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

twistedmentat posted:

Yep. They'll be smuggled out in peoples asses.

And those of you saying "DNC BURN IT TO THE GROUND!" what do you want it to do to change? Go full COMMUNISM NOW? I feel like going "gently caress Wall Street/Corporations" is just going to cause more problems because the idea that they're what drives the economy is so deeply ingrained, it would be like trying to get people to accept Basketball to be the national sport over Baseball.

Purge it of anyone connected to Wall Street or Establishment Dems and ride DWS on a loving rail out of town and tar and feather her as she goes out.

The latter part is semi-facetious, but basically More Sanders and Less Hillary. Meaning, it will never happen and we're all doomed.

Kro-Bar
Jul 24, 2004
USPOL May
https://twitter.com/shelbyfero/status/796524889637171200

Cool, let's MAGA.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

Teriyaki Koinku posted:

Ahahahaha Hillary's legacy has been so irredeemably, so indelibly obliterated by her catastrophically egregious failure you should bury her reputation at a Superfund nuclear waste disposal site. She's going to hide so hard from the public spotlight that W. Bush will be impressed.

Maybe she'll discover painting as a hobby too and come up with some nice looking artwork to auction off as well?

e: She loving lost Pennsylvania. How in the gently caress does that even happen? :psyduck:

step 1: campaign in nevada

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

JawKnee posted:

Yes? I'd like to know how, specifically, a candidate should appeal to voters - on what platforms, with what promises, from what directions - rather than 'pump up your CHA so you can be Mussolini'

You speak at their level, pretend to care about their problems and explain how only you can fix them.
Meanwhile Hillary speaks like an educated woman, who cares more about poor inner-city minorties than you hard working Americans she hosed over with her trade policy NAFTA, and now TPP? Vote Trump!

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Teriyaki Koinku posted:

Ahahahaha Hillary's legacy has been so irredeemably, so indelibly obliterated by her catastrophically egregious failure you should bury her reputation at a Superfund nuclear waste disposal site. She's going to hide so hard from the public spotlight that W. Bush will be impressed.

Maybe she'll discover painting as a hobby too and come up with some nice looking artwork to auction off as well?

e: She loving lost Pennsylvania. How in the gently caress does that even happen? :psyduck:

She just lost an election with 200000 more votes than her opponent you stupid gently caress.

Dead Cosmonaut
Nov 14, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

twistedmentat posted:

Yep. They'll be smuggled out in peoples asses.

And those of you saying "DNC BURN IT TO THE GROUND!" what do you want it to do to change? Go full COMMUNISM NOW?

This would be quite nice actually. How can I sign up?

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Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

This would be quite nice actually

Let's see how leftist of a candidate we can nominate in 2020 so we can really McGovern it!

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