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Fojar38 posted:China was hosed no matter who won. The PRC has been corncobbing for the past 5 years at least but are very very good at hiding it. I know, but instead of a Clinton administration to intelligently manage the situation we have a Trump administration tripping over itself to put the fire out with lighter fluid. Lessail posted:gently caress this terrible racist rear end country P. much. Yo guys do you want free college, new roads, and a higher minimum wage? No? You wanna deport Mexicans and Muslims and start trade wars? Oh cool. I uh... I'll just wait over here.
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Trabisnikof posted:Obama can pardon Clinton to prevent the post-election prosecution by Guilani or Christie or whoever. But in doing so that will of course be used as proof positive for every single conspiracy. It will be proof she personally killed Vence etc. Frankly it be the best thing for HRC if that happened. She can go down as a martyr of Trumps.
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Hollismason posted:Okay so who are we getting or Chairman of the Federal Reserve? Ron Paul, of course.
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Okay, we roll back all emissions and gut the EPA. So of course China does the same thing right. Since USA and China are two biggest emitters then everyone else kind of follows suit because what's the loving point. Thats my view of it..
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Fojar38 posted:Yeah, things are bleak because we've hit rock bottom. Only one way to go from rock bottom, friend. You think this is rock bottom? This is not rock bottom. This is the moment when the floor falls out from under you and you're left clawing at the air as you fall into the darkness. We have no loving idea where rock bottom is, or if we will even survive to reach it. Things can and will get a whole lot worse.
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Yeah, I don't see Obama doing that because it would be meaningless. Trump basically promised to lock her up. If he actually goes in on extrajudicial imprisonment of political foes, then the only thing a pardon would be is a tacit admission of some sort of guilt on her part, which would just embolden the people screaming for it anyway. Basically, and it's really, really lovely, we get to find out how bad of a banana republic we're in for if Trump goes to jail Hillary and pardoning her preemptively isn't going to get him to respect the rule of law. I was saying that even with Bernie's protectionism he wasn't pretending that all the industries in the Rust Belt were returning overnight. Dick Milhous Rock! fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Hollismason posted:Okay, we roll back all emissions and gut the EPA. So of course China does the same thing right. Since USA and China are two biggest emitters then everyone else kind of follows suit because what's the loving point. Yeah uh we're so utterly hosed guys. We had our chance to fight global warming. You dumb pricks chose unicorn manufacturing jobs that don't exist. Bravo.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:This isn't a good comparison, mostly because the idea of removing the filibuster is on the table and was not in 2008 - meaning that Obama had the House, the White House, and the Lieberman-King-Kennedy barely-a-functioning-supermajority coalition, rather than true tripartite control. I'm still not totally convinced that the Republicans will nuke the filibuster but if they do then it makes pursuing a good turnout in 2018 even more important.
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Hollismason posted:Okay, we roll back all emissions and gut the EPA. So of course China does the same thing right. Since USA and China are two biggest emitters then everyone else kind of follows suit because what's the loving point. Maybe a best case scenario is Trump ruins our world standing and we become a pariah state with massive relatiatory tarrifs because of our horrific climate policy and other horrific policies. Sure we will have our pals the oil states (including Russia) but maybe China and Europe can use the chance to gently caress over America and American exports using climate as an excuse.
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Trabisnikof posted:Obama can pardon Clinton to prevent the post-election prosecution by Guilani or Christie or whoever. But in doing so that will of course be used as proof positive for every single conspiracy. It will be proof she personally killed Vence etc. What if he simultaneously pardons Trump for mail fraud with Trump U and tax poo poo with the Trump Foundation
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Trabisnikof posted:Maybe a best case scenario is Trump ruins our world standing and we become a pariah state with massive relatiatory tarrifs because of our horrific climate policy and other horrific policies. Sure we will have our pals the oil states (including Russia) but maybe China and Europe can use the chance to gently caress over America and American exports using climate as an excuse. If this was likely it probably would have happened during the Bush administration. What the rest of the world is worried about isn't big-dick cowboy antics on trade, it's worried about American withdrawal and turning isolationist.
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This is bullshit. Many are racist. Most are not, or at least that's not the main concern. She failed to communicate this message to them in a way that resonated. They didn't trust her. She called them deplorable racists even though most of them are just misinformed and jobless. The democrats will lose again and again unless they get rid of this nonsense that everything republican = racists
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Fojar38 posted:I'm still not totally convinced that the Republicans will nuke the filibuster but if they do then it makes pursuing a good turnout in 2018 even more important. They absolutely will. Republicans make promises, not threats. If not they already have a scheme to work around it with reconciliation. 2018 will be a bloodbath, 25 Dem seats have to be defended AND we would have to win three. And by that point a lot of the damage will have been done and we couldn't block his executive actions. He's totally going to win a second term too. There's no one who can tap into the mystical white working class voters willing to vote Dem brogressives want to win who is able to run. Trump will have incumbent advantage. We are hosed.
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Fojar38 posted:I'm still not totally convinced that the Republicans will nuke the filibuster but if they do then it makes pursuing a good turnout in 2018 even more important. Yeah they're gonna nuke the filibuster. They just held a SCOTUS seat vacant so it could be filled more than a year later by someone that wasn't a Democrat. Number of fucks given about norms, tradition, and gentlemen's agreements on the hill by GOP members: 0 ErIog fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Convergence posted:This is bullshit. Many are racist. Most are not, or at least that's not the main concern. She failed to communicate this message to them in a way that resonated. They didn't trust her. She called them deplorable racists even though most of them are just misinformed and jobless. The democrats will lose again and again unless they get rid of this nonsense that everything republican = racists Sorry you don't like the loving truth
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Lightning Knight posted:They absolutely will. Republicans make promises, not threats. If not they already have a scheme to work around it with reconciliation. These still sound like excuses to not take action. You will genuinely feel better if you fight back, you know.
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Convergence posted:This is bullshit. Many are racist. Most are not, or at least that's not the main concern. She failed to communicate this message to them in a way that resonated. They didn't trust her. She called them deplorable racists even though most of them are just misinformed and jobless. The democrats will lose again and again unless they get rid of this nonsense that everything republican = racists I come from and have family in the very places I am talking about. Trust me the people I am talking about are hell of racist and voted for Donald Trump because they thought he was gonna make their Leave it to Beaver job down at the mill dreams come true. They were very pissed off when Obama was elected and have not enjoyed the increased diversity in shared culture and experience they have seen in the media since he was elected.
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Kilroy posted:by the way if I was going to run for public office where is a good place to start serious post. I live in a solid blue state Azuth0667 posted:Contact your local party. Yeah this and you'll want to start by volunteering and getting to know the locals "power players" because that's who you'll be dealing with unless you plan to be like Robert Morrow once elected. Running for stuff like school board, city council, and other local stuff is a good way to not spend much money and have a chance if there isn't an incumbent. Many local elections are also non-partisan, which helps immensely if you're not in an area where the Dems are in control normally.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:What if he simultaneously pardons Trump for mail fraud with Trump U and tax poo poo with the Trump Foundation Trump wouldn't care. Practically every business deal he's made almost inevitably results in him reneging on his end of things because that's how he views things. In practice Trump always views business deals as having "winners" and "losers" instead of two parties benefiting equitably. Our international arrangements, many of which are fantastically to our benefit and managed over the last half century of post-war stability, are in undiscovered country now.
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Convergence posted:This is bullshit. Many are racist. Most are not, or at least that's not the main concern. She failed to communicate this message to them in a way that resonated. They didn't trust her. She called them deplorable racists even though most of them are just misinformed and jobless. The democrats will lose again and again unless they get rid of this nonsense that everything republican = racists At least 60% of Trump supporters were willing to tell a live pollster they were racist. But you are correct they don't see themselves as deciding for racist reasons.
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Fojar38 posted:These still sound like excuses to not take action. You will genuinely feel better if you fight back, you know. Lmao if I ever loving volunteer for a political campaign again. GOTV means nothing. Like it's not a matter of not wanting to do anything, we're just that hosed. White people flocked to a candidate who built his run on "Mexicans and Muslims get deported, gently caress the Chinese, gently caress the (((globalists)))" and now white liberals are tripping over themselves to say white people aren't racist and we can totally forge a labor-minority coalition guys. Meanwhile Republicans chamber rounds with "voter suppression" carved in them. It's over.
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Lessail posted:Sorry you don't like the loving truth You can think what you want, but the bottom line is that democrats will continue to lose unless they reach these people and bring them into the fold. You have no choice but to work with them and at least have some compassion for the fact that massive swaths of industrial towns are gone. It's possible to care about both poor white people and poor minorities.
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pocket pool posted:Obstructionism for its own sake is one thing, the GOP gleefully did this for years. But principled resistance is another entirely. Counterpoint: 2010. The hope & change voters that brought Obama and Democratic supermajorities into office didn't bother because "we already had our revolution so we're done right" or "everything I want didn't magically happen so voting is pointless". Meanwhile the other side energized the gently caress out of depressed Republicans by promising to give them their country back. If the Democrats want to get swept in the midterms, letting the Trump go hog wild without a peep has got to be the most surefire way to guarantee that because who is going to turn out for senators who won't fight for them when they'd get the same result by staying home.
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Trabisnikof posted:At least 60% of Trump supporters were willing to tell a live pollster they were racist. But you are correct they don't see themselves as deciding for racist reasons. Source for this, out of curiosity?
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Convergence posted:You can think what you want, but the bottom line is that democrats will continue to lose unless they reach these people are bring them into the fold. You have no choice but to work with them and at least have some compassion for the fact that massive swaths of industrial towns are gone. It's possible to care about both poor white people and poor minorities. The problem isn't that we don't care. The problem is that they hate minorities and blame them for the loss of their industrial towns. They also won't stand for anything less than "give me my industrial town back." We can't do that. It doesn't work that way. So long as we want to be an anti-racism party the Republicans will win on anti-free trade, anti-immigrant platforms with white working class voters.
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Convergence posted:This is bullshit. Many are racist. Most are not, or at least that's not the main concern. She failed to communicate this message to them in a way that resonated. They didn't trust her. She called them deplorable racists even though most of them are just misinformed and jobless. The democrats will lose again and again unless they get rid of this nonsense that everything republican = racists quote:"I know there are only 60 days left to make our case -- and don't get complacent, don't see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think, well, he's done this time. We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people -- now 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks -- they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America." Yes, Hillary Clinton totally called all republicans deplorable racists.
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vyelkin posted:This is the full list as Buzzfeed provides it: Yep those people are all objectively terrible, big surprise there. I feel so bad for the federal workers that will likely lose their jobs under them.
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Fojar38 posted:Yeah, things are bleak because we've hit rock bottom. Only one way to go from rock bottom, friend. Don't know if you've heard but Palin being floated in charge of parks and wildlife so the reality is "DRILL BABY DRILL" e: eh Secretary Interior thanks person above me, 1.5 hours sleep has not done me well
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Dick Milhous Rock! posted:Yes, Hillary Clinton totally called all republicans deplorable racists. I agree with your point but I would also say that she led with "some are racists" and poisoned the well on this speech. Which is a shame because it's a great speech.
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Hollismason posted:So uh the human race could die because of this . nah
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Convergence posted:You can think what you want, but the bottom line is that democrats will continue to lose unless they reach these people and bring them into the fold. You have no choice but to work with them and at least have some compassion for the fact that massive swaths of industrial towns are gone. It's possible to care about both poor white people and poor minorities. It's so much easier just to call them racists and shame them though?
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Convergence posted:You can think what you want, but the bottom line is that democrats will continue to lose unless they reach these people and bring them into the fold. You have no choice but to work with them and at least have some compassion for the fact that massive swaths of industrial towns are gone. It's possible to care about both poor white people and poor minorities. I care about poor white people. That's why I voted for Hillary. That's why I brought up politics with many of my friends for the first time to communicate to them the importance of this election. Don't tell me I don't care about poor whites. I have many poor white friends and have done so much to help poor whites in my life. Trump isn't offering anything to poor whites beyond harming minorities so white people's sense of superiority isn't threatened. Tight Booty Shorts posted:It's so much easier just to call them racists and shame them though? Not shaming racists legitimized Trump's racism and him hiring a literal white supremacist at the top of his campaign and let him pretend he didn't know anything about David Duke. poo poo should have been called out quick, and loving spineless coward GOP members should have done something. ErIog fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Lightning Knight posted:Lmao if I ever loving volunteer for a political campaign again. GOTV means nothing. You'll pass the anger/depression stages eventually, friend, and then we can begin to rebuild. 
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:It's so much easier just to call them racists and shame them though? You keep on beating this drum. You're gonna be real sad when you discover white working class people aren't coming back to the Dems even if we become a white progressive party for white working class people. They don't want policy, they want feel good garbage.
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Hollismason posted:I would have expected to see Jindal and Thiel on the Trump appointment lists. Wait'll you see his supreme court noms
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PKJC posted:Don't know if you've heard but Palin being floated in charge of parks and wildlife so the reality is "DRILL BABY DRILL" Yeah but there's nothing we can do about it directly at this point, beyond protest and prepare to fight hard in 2018. Better to focus on what can be done rather than what might have been.
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Sir Tonk posted:bash the fash imo oh word? Really the problem is you know poo poo like this is going to spread like wildfire among the now emboldened alt-right and will lead to additional bad things happening to people in the video and/or anyone who looks anything like them. I can't fault their sentiment at all but it's drat depressing that it's likely to just lead to backlash.
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