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hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

I do wonder what lesson Labor will take out of this. Whether they will go "maybe we should stop cosying up to big business and betraying our base" or "needs more racism"

hahahah oh wait I don't wonder.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:17

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Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

Starshark posted:

According to this exit poll, the under 50k earners (those you would call 'poor') favoured Clinton. If it was about the economy, you'd see them vote Trump. And it's not just race, it's misogyny as well. Clinton had to fight with one hand behind her back because if she showed too much emotion she was a bitch.

Clinton polled 51% and 53% in the bottom two income brackets, whereas Obama II polled 57% and 63%. So maybe the economy had something to do with it.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:17

Goffer: Apr 4, 2007; "..."

Pocket Billiards posted:

I'm sure I read that a 45% import tariffs for goods from China is a Trump policy? That's a big loving deal I don't hear many people talking about.

In my industry, anyone that's done more than spin their tyres post GFC has done it on the back of selling overseas (China) and building modern infrastructure(China).

So the great orange hope for the right and low taxes and small government has been given a mandate for a GREAT BIG TAX so the government can restrict trade on goods going from China to a marketplace of 300+ million.

I can't see this not hurting.

There's any number of east asian countries (including us) that could play middle-man to help avoid tariffs for China, Australia may be better off if there's more demand for china->australian exports (and vice versa if China imposes tariffs on the US)?.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:25

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

hooman posted:

I do wonder what lesson Labor will take out of this. Whether they will go "maybe we should stop cosying up to big business and betraying our base" or "needs more racism"

hahahah oh wait I don't wonder.

2016 sucks

The supreme court judge pick is probably going to gently caress things up more than the Trump presidency

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:29

Vladimir Poutine: Aug 13, 2012

Roe v Wade :stare:

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:56

nyerf: Feb 12, 2010; An elephant never forgets...TO KILL!

Hobart goons, I need food recommendations- preferably places that are not so fancy as to disallow babies in arms. Thanks heaps.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 02:01

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Vladimir Poutine posted:

Roe v Wade

Also the republicans are going to go hog wild with voter suppression (even more so)

# ? Nov 10, 2016 02:05

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Graic Gabtar posted:

In my opinion 18c ain�t great.

I don�t like it that three university students were dragged through a looong legal process for what appears to be a complete cash grab.

I don�t like that it seems academics can be dragged through the courts for what could be interpreted as thought crime.

I don�t like that Bolt and News Corp weren�t sued for shitloads instead of creating a flag for every right wing nut job to rally under.

(That also being said it was done under 18c to prove a point that has now backfired spectacularly. Everyone was so gleeful when we had our first �convicted racist�, now probably not so much.)

Seems like �PC gone mad� and �silencing free speech� are staples in middle class dinner party conversation now. I think that is bullshit. I�m a conservative, but it�s embarrassing.

I�m pissed off that Turnbull�s legislative agenda is completely rooted (you don�t need to comment on the agenda � I get it) because of 18c. Obviously this reason is self interest but gently caress it.

I don�t like it because it based on �feels�. I get that it�s the whole point, but I don�t like laws where people are going to find themselves in a process where they will cut themselves either way.

I am also worried that above right wing nut jobs are going to double tab 18c so hard because no-one seems to want to come to the table on this. Feels like we�re going to go backwards 50 years.

I know you all think I�m a racist oval office but as you can�t judge me by real life actions (so I�ll still be a racist oval office) but I�m pretty much on board with what it�s trying to do.

So basically it�s screwed. By wording and now reputation. I�ve read quite a few of the cases under 18c (shock) and we�ve still got a long way to go. However, 18d isn�t stopping the edge cases.

So there you go. Say what you will. I�m in too much of a good mood to care anyway.

(Still looking for that photo)

lol @ the whole thing

# ? Nov 10, 2016 02:30

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

like you make some decent points, but the QUT student thing was such a white boy privilege thing that it's just insane

# ? Nov 10, 2016 02:33

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QUACKTASTIC posted:

I think the disenfranchisement achieved exactly what it was supposed to tbh

Entirely.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 02:42

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

I've got a hot take here guys.

Because malicious litigation is possible, civil law shouldn't exist. Neither should 18C.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 03:42

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

smash the courts, keep the rest of the state

# ? Nov 10, 2016 03:44

Pocket Billiards: Aug 29, 2007; .

gently caress that snail.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 03:45

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

hooman posted:

I've got a hot take here guys.

Because malicious litigation is possible, civil law shouldn't exist. Neither should 18C.

Or how about we have socialised legal aid! Mind fuckin' blown.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 03:56

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Cartoon posted:

Or how about we have socialised legal aid! Mind fuckin' blown.

I dunno man, I want to throw away this bathwater and that drat baby is really in the way.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 04:31

Redcordial: Nov 7, 2009; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

lol the country is fed up with your safe spaces and trigger warnings you useless special snowflakes, send the sjws to mexico

Avatar check.

E: Of course... At least I'm doing something right. loving useless slugs using sjw as a pejorative, way to go champ.

Get back to your unpredictable cave of mania. How's that for a safe space you thick gently caress.

You cannot just remove my Scott Ludlam av and expect no flak you loving fat loser.

Redcordial fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Nov 10, 2016

# ? Nov 10, 2016 04:46

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

My hot take is that in the Midwest Trump kept a lot of Romney votes (or poached enough former Obama voters), while Clinton's turnout dropped dramatically.

Look at Wisconsin; Trump is going to win it with the same number of votes Romney got (and the latter lost it convincingly).

Tokamak posted:

Clinton polled 51% and 53% in the bottom two income brackets, whereas Obama II polled 57% and 63%. So maybe the economy had something to do with it.

I'm going to guess that Clinton lost the rural poor vote while keeping urban poor.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 04:51

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Redcordial posted:

Avatar check.

E: Of course... At least I'm doing something right. loving useless slugs using sjw as a pejorative, way to go champ.

Get back to your unpredictable cave of mania. How's that for a safe space you thick gently caress.

You cannot just remove my Scott Ludlam av and expect no flak you loving fat loser.

Same

# ? Nov 10, 2016 04:58

Frogfingers: Oct 10, 2012

I just feel bad for Flyover Country, USA's plea to be heard. They aren't going to be helped, they were never going to be helped, but it was savvy enough of Trump to know these people could easily be taken advantage of. It's an enormous shame that it turned out a crab-bucket election, neo-nazis notwithstanding.

That's my takeaway from this at least.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 05:00

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

quote:
It's a real disease isn't it?

I learned from this election that I am also a degenerate gambler, my first time betting and I'm totally out of control. Up to $8,900 now . I'm going to delete my drat account as soon as this election finishes. I just keep thinking that this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to make my entire retirement fund lol

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?p=17364950#post17364950

What were the payouts when he put his bets in?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 05:04

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nsf001 : smashthestate

# ? Nov 10, 2016 05:25

ungulateman: Apr 18, 2012; pretentious fuckwit who isn't half as literate or insightful or clever as he thinks he is

it's good being irrelevant so the trumpageddon doesn't affect me, both in my sa avatar and real life

# ? Nov 10, 2016 05:29

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Synthbuttrange posted:

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?p=17364950#post17364950

What were the payouts when he put his bets in?

I actually made an OCAU account to find out:

"I Cashed out boys.

I got my initial $10,000 back and if Trump wins, I get another $35,000"

# ? Nov 10, 2016 05:30

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

I'm dying

# ? Nov 10, 2016 05:45

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

quote:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...it-soon-will-be

There�s one thing that we can unequivocally take from Trump�s shock US election win � the neoliberal elite consensus is in deep trouble.

Since the end of the cold war, mainstream centre-left and centre-right politics has been conducted on the basis of a few incontrovertible truths: international action and globalisation will lead to wealthier and more productive societies; free markets and open trade borders and lift people out of poverty; individual rights are sacrosanct and must be protected.

This neoliberal consensus has dominated global policymaking circles for a good 25 years. In Australia, our two major political parties have been on a unity ticket on trade, globalisation and individual freedoms since the Hawke/Keating economic reforms of 1986-87 were accepted and agreed to by the then Howard Liberal opposition.

In the UK, US and across the western world, the centre left and centre right grew ever closer in terms of basic economic policy and commitment to individual rights-based language. But as Europe has lurched from financial crisis to immigration crisis, the US economic recovery has been patchy, and faith in political and economic systems around the globe has collapsed, the consensus is under threat.

For many, 2016 will be remembered as the year everything fell apart. Besides the election of Trump, with all his attendant nationalist bluster and populist economic and trade pronouncements, Brexit has seen the UK turn its back on Europe on the back of economic and immigration concerns, and closer to home, the 2016 federal election culminated in the resurgence of Pauline Hanson�s One Nation Party.

The nationalist far right is emboldened, and the left is becoming more isolationist and less economically liberal in line with it. Politics, so long dominated by the relatively sensible centre, is creeping out towards its polarities once again.

In Australia, for the moment at least, the Liberal party is especially vulnerable to its deeply populist rightwing flank. Following the Trump victory, a parade of Australia�s biggest nationalists, including Pauline Hanson, George Christensen, Eric Abetz, and the smugly emboldened Tony Abbott, jumped in front of cameras and behind computer screens to declare that voters are sick of �elitist politics� and subsequently implied they speak with the voice of the average voter.

Turnbull�s prime ministership has never been free from the threat of the far right of his party. He has consistently taken the hardline conservative position to appease the Christensens and Abbotts: on immigration, asylum seekers, the Racial Discrimination Act, the environment, and on the marriage equality plebiscite, Turnbull has allowed the hardliners to override his natural, small-l liberal instincts.

The sensible centre of the Liberal party � the bit that cleaves to the neoliberal consensus and cares more about trade and low taxes and individual social freedoms � is quietly despondent. But if the Trump victory holds one lesson for them it�s that appeasement and ignorance of social attitudes will not work.

The neoliberal Republican elite sat by while Trump trashed their brand and appealed to Americans who feel they cannot participate and are not welcome in the global economy. They looked the other way when fear � of outsourcing, job losses, increasing immigration, minorities, and most fundamentally, of change � captured working class constituencies and swept Trump through the primaries and all the way to the presidency.

Class is a dirty word in politics, and especially in Australian politics, but our own neoliberal elite must recognise that a lot of working class Australians are also terrified of change.

The Liberal party has two choices: it can continue its appeasement of nationalism and fear, or it can make the neoliberal project inclusive enough to at least acknowledge the valid concerns of working class Australians. If the Liberal party believes, as I do, that trade and migration and individual freedom are the best ways to propel people out of poverty, they have a responsibility to explain how that will happen, and how they�ll look after the people who may be temporarily disadvantaged.

Across the centre left and the centre right, we�ve become complacent. For many of us, myself included, the neoliberal elite consensus works very well. We have globally connected jobs based on nebulous intellectual capital. We retreat to our comfortable circles with friends who share our views, and we dismiss those who don�t as backwards racists.

The neoliberal elite consensus isn�t dead yet. But unless it gets a lot less elite and a lot more inclusive, it soon will be.

A kinder, gentler neo-liberalism.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 05:55

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

open24hours posted:

A kinder, gentler neo-liberalism.

imagine being this loving deluded

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:07

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

open24hours posted:

A kinder, gentler neo-liberalism.

lol as loving if the sensible centre is where anyone really wants to be

there's a lot of equality in socialism, we don't have to be fascist to get things done

full socialism now

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:09

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

Recoome posted:

lol as loving if the sensible centre is where anyone really wants to be

there's a lot of equality in socialism, we don't have to be fascist to get things done

full socialism now

Don't you think you are pandering to the emerging polarisation though?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:17

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Cartoon posted:

Don't you think you are pandering to the emerging polarisation though?

Good?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:23

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Cartoon posted:

Don't you think you are pandering to the emerging polarisation though?

what does this mean

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:25

Spudd: Nov 27, 2007; Protect children from "Safe Schools" social engineering. Shame!

All these avatars, God drat

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:27

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

I hope the mystery av buyer had money on Trump.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:39

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

its the guy that won $50k isnt it

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:49

Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

Just chasing up a suspicious charge to my company credit card via online chat and

of all the ways to say 'we will take care of this'.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:51

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

In case we all momentarily forgot how poo poo this country is as opposed to certain ones across the Pacific QLD Labor made it so that the Adani mine can basically do whatever the gently caress they want environmentally

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:52

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Queensland Labor is a confusing mess.

They are also planning to do a state run Uber service.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:53

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Anidav posted:

Queensland Labor is a confusing mess.

They are also planning to do a state run Uber service.

How the gently caress did you not get an avatar.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:54

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Anidavitars are a Auspol Superpower.

Afterall, you have my FACE BRANDED ON YOU!

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:56

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Zenithe posted:

In case we all momentarily forgot how poo poo this country is as opposed to certain ones across the Pacific QLD Labor made it so that the Adani mine can basically do whatever the gently caress they want environmentally

Now is exactly the time to really go all in on being subsumed by corporations!

# ? Nov 10, 2016 06:57

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 15:35

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

How can the Adani mine situation be anything other than bribes changing hands? Every other organisation on the planet says it's a bad idea, and they have a terrible record in their own country.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 07:01

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