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Radish posted:Trump ran a racist campaign straight up. You can't just ignore that and assume that well people are angry about their jobs.. so they deserve a pass. It's the same stuff that works by far right groups in Europe where they talk about the evil polish/jews/albanians/whatever stealing the jobs of good "natural" citizens. No one should be saying that Greeks should be reaching out to the Golden Dawn or that British people need to learn from UKIP. There's plenty of people in this country that have shown they are willing to vote if the candidate actually tries to appeal to them, which Clinton apparently did not, without resorting to trying to reach across and steal people that, at best, are totally accepting of a blatantly racist platform if they get some benefit and at worst are actively promoting it as a benefit. You can be angry at them, but still work to get them on your side, is that giving them a pass? If so, do you think they deserve to be punished or something?
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Crowsbeak posted:Then work to actually appeal to the working class non voters interests. Guess what? Hillary didn't. quote:Part of Trump’s story was “Muslims are lunatics who want to slaughter your children, we can’t let them in!” Clinton would respond, “An intriguing Harvard School of Government study found our circa-2014 immigration vetting procedures were able to measure radicalization by five benchmarks that [audience loses consciousness].” This is a really weird and bizarre thing to say. I guarantee you if you asked any Trump voter - the people who clearly have been very poorly communicated to about liberal and progressive policy - "what do liberals think is the cause of islamic terrorism?" they would absolutely say "liberals think islamic terrorism happens because we are fighting them" or something much closer to the latter story than the former. Maybe this outs me as an out of touch liberal, but at least on the Islam/foreign policy front, the progressive message is very clearly "bombing the middle east has caused violent terrorism" and I cannot believe that any conservative would disagree that this is the progressive message rather than some weird policy wonk answer. It hasn't stopped them from resoundingly rejecting it.
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afeelgoodpoop posted:Shaun King makes race hustling tweets every time a mass shooting happens where we don't know the race of the perpetrator. "Race hustling" Christ. I guess we really are going there. Trump's win is encouraging the cockroaches out of the woodwork.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Isn't it, though? Isn't it the role of activists of color to educate white people on people's of color lives? No the role of activists of color is to agitate for policies that benefit people of color, not lay down and be the yellow brick road for whites to walk on the path of Not Racist. If you want to learn about PoC all that poo poo is right there, google it, but unless I am coming to you as a history teacher then nah dude I'm here for my people and our rights. The reason for this is simple: White people don't listen to nonwhite voices. No amount of agitating from PoC alone has made white people any more or less racist. When PoC cry out in pain we get people like this: afeelgoodpoop posted:Shaun King makes race hustling tweets every time a mass shooting happens where we don't know the race of the perpetrator. Clawtopsy posted:Ever since that McCain supporter carved a backwards B into their face, I've become tremendously leery of stories that could end with 'and then everyone Who try their damndest to discredit us because realizing that, hey, PoC are 2nd class citizens and that white people put us here is too "surreal" for their perfect white world. It's easier to swallow that poo poo when it's coming from other white people because white people trust other white people more than they trust other nonwhite people. Why waste my time trying to educate someone who definitely won't listen to me or treat my voice as equal? I can spend that time doing stuff that helps me and others like me out. That's what a black civil rights activist should be doing, imo.
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:If MLK could have gotten white people to not be racist... he'd have done it. If any minority could get a white person to not be racist we'd do it. You think we want this poo poo or that we bring it on ourselves? No. White people choose to be racist and only white people can choose not to be racist.
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:This is a really weird and bizarre thing to say. I guarantee you if you asked any Trump voter - the people who clearly have been very poorly communicated to about liberal and progressive policy - "what do liberals think is the cause of islamic terrorism?" they would absolutely say "liberals think islamic terrorism happens because we are fighting them" or something much closer to the latter story than the former. There are plenty of conservatives who you can get to accept anti interventionism and that's a start. We should probably let the place handle itself.
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sumie posted:Yet, it seems that biggest reason he won is that a lot of people just didn't find Hillary exciting enough to go vote or didn't go to vote because they didn't think that voting between two bad choices would matter. It's a good time for the American Left to reorganise itself and figure out how to unite people under the same banner to fight against the conservative reactionary politics. It'll be quite a task, but what should be probably obvious is that the politics of democratic establishment have left a lot of people apathetic about voting and politics and it's time to try something new. I think Democrats have a pretty clear plan forward basically made for them already, it's just up to party leaders to pick it up, and people on the ground to put in the hard work of making it happen. Progressive policies are divisive, but it's not an even split: more Americans than not favor things like equal rights for gay people, higher minimum wages, weed decriminalization, police body cams, free public university, more regulation on banks/finance, and higher taxes on the rich. The problem is, they aren't winning elections. To fix that, we'll need to do two things: 1.) Own our policies. Too often, democratic candidates run as "not the other guy". They do their best to criticize their opponent for their hateful rhetoric, discriminatory positions, and ineffective policies, but they all too rarely come out with a strong, clear message of "this is what I am going to do to make your life better." Clinton's campaign is unfortunately a prime example, but it's a far too common trend in the party as a whole. I think part of why that is, is because there is a lingering sense of "These policies are good but they don't necessarily play in Peoria, so kind of keep them on the down low. The base will know our policies already, so focus on trying to win over moderates by scaring them off the nasty Republican candidate." from the old triangulation days in the 90s. Another part is that a lot Democrats are pragmatists who know that they aren't going to get big huge changes passed, and think that it's more effective to tell people "I will give you subsidized tuition at public universities if you meet qualifications X, Y, and Z" rather than "I want free college for all." But that doesn't work anymore, if indeed it really ever did, and what's needed now are candidates who will proudly claim their support for these policies in a way that voters see as sincere, and send a clear positive message that will get the base, i.e. a majority of the goddamn electorate, excited to get out and vote for them. 2.) Reinvest in local and state races. For years now, the Democratic party has been on the back foot on every level outside the Presidency, and it all comes down to this. Democratic party investment in down ballot races has been slashed outside of "safe" areas, and this has led to a severe atrophying of party infrastructure in wide swaths of the country. You can't just run up the vote in urban areas and expect to maintain a majority in a political system that gives Wyoming 3 House seats and as many senators as California. People complain about gerrymandering keeping Republicans in control of the House all the time, but the only way to change that is to take state legislatures and fix it yourself. People complain about there not being a deep bench of good candidates, but if you don't actively recruit people and fund their campaigns, you'll never develop one. People complain about states turning down the Medicaid expansion, passing regressive legislation, and implementing voter suppression policies, but if you're not trying to take those states back over it will never change. People complain about how we're going to need a Presidential wave election a la 2008 to take things back over, but that will never happen if half of Republicans are running unopposed. This is admittedly difficult, because you have to somehow find the money to fund a huge number of campaigns from local city councils on up and get people motivated to run and volunteer in them even in off years, but it is something absolutely has to be done if we ever want to see significant change. It's going to be a huge slog, especially facing intense resistance by the Republicans who now control the federal government in addition to most states governments, but we've fought and died for our rights several times in our history and I absolutely believe we can do it again (with hopefully as little dying as possible this time  ).
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steinrokkan posted:Yeah, I don't think those issues need to be postponed, what I mean is that now you can deal with social issues that don't undermine your majority and can be passed with the current level of social pervasiveness, and as more and more people become sympathetic with your methods, then you can sell more people on more radical reforms because they will feel on average safer and more comfortable. Now is not a time for a hard sell on social justice to the average Trumpist, but if you show them you care about them, they will come, and they will listen to more proposals. And the closer you get to a consensus, the closer you get to some approximation of a socialist plan, but that is for the long game, of course. All right, I don't think that we disagree. And I don't think that the elements of Clinton's program pertaining to race and gender were particularly repulsive to the average voter, too. Crowsbeak posted:Then work to actually appeal to the working class non voters interests. Guess what? Hillary didn't. This is what I've been arguing for the last two pages or so. VH4Ever posted:Anyone sitting around and waiting for someone else to do something, I'm sorry to say, deserves what they get. No more sitting on the sidelines. Your country needs you in the fight if you're opposed to what Trump and his ilk stand for, period. We no longer have the luxury of sitting around waiting. gently caress you if you think that people of color have been sitting on the sidelines. Double gently caress you for saying this to the face of Martha Stewart Undying who has probably done so much more about it than you have.
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Trade Chat Troll posted:Yes, Hillary was unelectable and we were all idiots for ever believing otherwise! Please pay no attention to the simple fact that more people voted for her, and for Democrats as a whole down-ticket! They only voted for her because Trump is so garbage. Hillary is insanely disliked. People don't give a gently caress about her or her policies. Bernie fired people up through his character and leftist policies. He would have been a much better candidate than a loving Clinton.
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What do you now if you vote democrat? What are the constructive steps moving forward? Asking for a friend because I'm not a race-traitor yes I am, I hid this text behind a black bar so that no Trump voters will see my secret message, but seriously, what in christ's name do we do now?
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Marlows posted:"Race hustling" That's been clear from this very thread within the last 36 hours Racists and bigots genuinely feel emboldened by this win and there's people in this thread saying that thinking so is pearl clutching and why can't we just think of the poor poor white people and their jobs (that aren't coming back)
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Marlows posted:"Race hustling" d&d has been literally unmoderated since the election shoulda given tb that badge 
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:This is a really weird and bizarre thing to say. I guarantee you if you asked any Trump voter - the people who clearly have been very poorly communicated to about liberal and progressive policy - "what do liberals think is the cause of islamic terrorism?" they would absolutely say "liberals think islamic terrorism happens because we are fighting them" or something much closer to the latter story than the former.
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:If MLK could have gotten white people to not be racist... he'd have done it. If any minority could get a white person to not be racist we'd do it. You think we want this poo poo or that we bring it on ourselves? No. White people choose to be racist and only white people can choose not to be racist. Welp. Guess youre hosed then, because white people arent gonna choose that on their own. Why would they? Power and privilege is pretty good if you can get it, and there arent any super compelling reasons to share. White people don't need minorities, and if you think they're all incurable racists who don't regard you as human, uh, why would that ever change without outside influence? kartikeya posted:This just in, new DNC outreach plan: shame minorities into somehow getting racist white people to vote for us with their magical 'please stop thinking of me as sub-human powers they are hiding somewhere', because gently caress we sure can't be bothered. So is your plan to somehow shame whites into getting them to vote for minorities? Because, uh, whites dont give a poo poo about shame from minorities. Like, what leverage do you think you have to get whites to do, well, anything, ever, if you don't put in the work to make it happen?
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Bad Decision Dino posted:The toxic rhetoric that racism and sexism is a choice people willingly make on daily basis is a major part of what lost you this election. The complete unwillingness to forgive or educate anyone who you disagree with is another. No. Not at all. Trump got less voters than Romney.
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VH4Ever posted:Yeah sure, putting it off on another group and sitting around waiting for it to happen: that's the ticket alright! Look, sarcasm aside it's this sort of "can't somebody else do it?" lazy assed mentality that caused what happened Tuesday night. I'm not calling minorities lazy, white people are plenty lazy too and they just proved it. Racism and fear are lazy. What's work is ALL of us, minorities, gays, trans, white, middle eastern, Latino, etc, EVERYONE who oppose fear and bigotry and hate WORKING TOGETHER, ACTIVELY coming together as one group against a common enemy, a cipher for all the collective fear and racism in this country. Anyone sitting around and waiting for someone else to do something, I'm sorry to say, deserves what they get. No more sitting on the sidelines. Your country needs you in the fight if you're opposed to what Trump and his ilk stand for, period. We no longer have the luxury of sitting around waiting. I'm not waiting for poo poo to happen. I don't believe white people want to change because the will is just not there. I'd say its better for PoC and what few apparatus's society lets us have to try to make it easier to weather trump's presidency, not coddle white people's feelings. So gently caress you for calling me lazy. It is you who should be there calling your racist friends and family and coworkers out on their poo poo, not me, random black guy they'd cross the street at the sight of rather than stop and have a conversation.
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steinrokkan posted:You can be angry at them, but still work to get them on your side, is that giving them a pass? If so, do you think they deserve to be punished or something? They're going to be punished like the rest of us. Not actively trying to get racists on your side when they aren't required isn't punishing them. If the Democrats try and get more worker related planks in their platform and then some Trump voters cross that's fine. The issue is acting like we need those very specific voters to win and start incorporating their wishes, which very probably are racist or no not care whatsoever about racism into their platform. There's plenty of people to appeal to and Trump's numbers were shittier than Romney. Acting like his voters are key to Democratic wins when Hillary had 13% less votes than Obama and Trump got less votes than any other elected president in decades is silly. Everyone stayed home this election, it's just that hurt Clinton a lot worse.
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Not a Step posted:You're a minority. Its your job to build a coalition if you want to get anything done. Thats work you have to do. Otherwise enjoy your irrelevancy. White people don't need minorities to do whatever they want. The inverse is not true. Translation: "It's not the job of white people have basic human decency"
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VH4Ever posted:Yeah sure, putting it off on another group and sitting around waiting for it to happen: that's the ticket alright! Look, sarcasm aside it's this sort of "can't somebody else do it?" lazy assed mentality that caused what happened Tuesday night. I'm not calling minorities lazy, white people are plenty lazy too and they just proved it. Racism and fear are lazy. What's work is ALL of us, minorities, gays, trans, white, middle eastern, Latino, etc, EVERYONE who oppose fear and bigotry and hate WORKING TOGETHER, ACTIVELY coming together as one group against a common enemy, a cipher for all the collective fear and racism in this country. Anyone sitting around and waiting for someone else to do something, I'm sorry to say, deserves what they get. No more sitting on the sidelines. Your country needs you in the fight if you're opposed to what Trump and his ilk stand for, period. We no longer have the luxury of sitting around waiting. FFS, minorities live this poo poo day in and day out. They can't just stick it in a closet because they don't feel like dealing with racism today. They're not sitting around waiting for white people to stop being racist, they're trying to live their lives while this is going on, and all the ahahahaha progressives in these threads who keep being all 'no guys you really need to help white people with their racism they just can't help it without your magical minority powers' are so breathtakingly ignorant it's staggering. Yes, rallying together is good. No, trying to lecture minorities on racism is bad. Edit: Pictured: race hustling https://mobile.twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/796544913525579777/photo/3 kartikeya fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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kartikeya posted:This just in, new DNC outreach plan: shame minorities into somehow getting racist white people to vote for us with their magical 'please stop thinking of me as sub-human powers they are hiding somewhere', because gently caress we sure can't be bothered. Martha Stewart Undying posted:White people don't listen to nonwhite voices. Bad Decision Dino fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:Who try their damndest to discredit us because realizing that, hey, PoC are 2nd class citizens and that white people put us here is too "surreal" for their perfect white world. It's easier to swallow that poo poo when it's coming from other white people because white people trust other white people more than they trust other nonwhite people. I'm not trying to discredit you, friendo. I was stating my innate, gut, reaction. I very definitely believe stuff like this happens. I think it's a shame when someone fakes it, because the fakery inevitably gets signal-boosted and discredits what might be legitimate, otherwise unsubstantiated claims. I can't comment as to if this is really occurring, as I've not lived in America since I was two. Also, I'm a 'gay' who lived in rural Australia for most their life. I don't really think I view the world as perfect and white, but thanks for telling me I'm a double super awful person.
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:I'm not waiting for poo poo to happen. I don't believe white people want to change because the will is just not there. I'd say its better for PoC and what few apparatus's society lets us have to try to make it easier to weather trump's presidency, not coddle white people's feelings. Well if it means getting them to vote you'll have to or else deal with the GOP taking advantage of low voter turnout elections where you get screwed.
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:This is completely wrong. The average conservative thinks Muslims attack us because a. They hate our freedoms, and b. They are savages who have been fighting for centuries. The idea that terrorist attacks are a reasonable response to what the west has done to the middle east would be a novel idea to the average American. I know this is what the average conservative thinks. The original post I quoted was an article claiming that instead of telling conservatives that Muslims attack us because of Western military interventionism, progressives (or at least Hillary) ramble aimlessly about immigration vetting procedures and academic studies, but if they told them a more relatable story they could get them on board. Whilst liberals have no particularly good message to send about economic decline, the progressive message that Muslims attack us because of Western military interventionism has been very clear for years and conservatives know this is the message, they just don't agree.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:All right, I don't think that we disagree. And I don't think that the elements of Clinton's program pertaining to race and gender were particularly repulsive to the average voter, too. That's why I think it was mainly about the economy!
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kartikeya posted:This just in, new DNC outreach plan: shame minorities into somehow getting racist white people to vote for us with their magical 'please stop thinking of me as sub-human powers they are hiding somewhere', because gently caress we sure can't be bothered. don't be such a loving moron. nobody is saying Hillary should have been racist or aimed appeals at racists. racists will always vote for the racist candidate. but given that whites that went strongly for Obama put trump over the top, the reality is not every trump supporter is motivated by racism (not the same thing as "is not racist") and there certainly aren't enough people motivated by racism to put a presidential candidate over the top. so if you assume that anyone who supports a racist candidate is unreachable-- deplorable, if you will-- then you are writing off a huge slate of winnable votes and you will suffer for this error. if you genuinely believe that trump won purely on the back of appealing to racism and there's no way Hillary could have gotten any of his votes except by being equally racist, then you might as well give up and go home now because there is no hope. you don't win by winning the klan, you win by grabbing all of the non-klan people who are so desperate and miserable that they will vote for anyone who promises to help them. trump outperformed Romney among blacks by 7 Hispanics by 8, Asians by 11. these are not people who voted for trump because of racism but they did vote for him for some reason. are you a bad enough dude to try to figure out why?
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There's also no need to reach out to fuckhead racist whites because they only impacted this election's rhetoric, not its result Hillary won more voters, and fewer people voted for Trump than Romney. We can't lose those facts in all of this post-mortem. Dems need to do better with turnout, not appealing to bigots
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Hello D&D I'm kind of looking forward to the Trump presidency because the GOP will be the majority in the entire congress and Joe Arpaio will be supreme justice and they will finally be forced to make decisions and take responsibility for them instead of blaming whatever I also hope for a "Nixon goes to China" scenario where Trump jacks up the tax rates and fucks with a lot of conservative causes, I predict a 0.02% chance of this happening though There's my two cents which are actually a lot since those're pre-Trump dollers Thanku for letting me share
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Flowers For Algeria posted:gently caress you if you think that people of color have been sitting on the sidelines. To be clear: I don't think that. If I did you'd have a right to consider me massively ignorant because I would be. I wasn't offering a judgment of Martha Stewart Undying specifically because I don't know them personally. I was however trying to counter the seeming message of defeatism that particular post expressed. I'm not the enemy here, and this sort of "well gently caress you if you don't 100% agree with me" tribalism is how the left fractured into all these competing factions and let a racist sneak into the White House. What I was saying wasn't directed at Martha Stewart Undying but at the attitude I mentioned in my response: "Why should I do it?" etc. I get the question of "why is it 100% on the minorities of the US to demand their rights all the time" as an expression of frustration with white laziness, that's why my post also mentioned we whites need to hold up our end of the bargain too. It can't be all on the minorities of this country to demand equal rights for all. But what I said in a general sense is NEITHER group can lay down and give up now, generally. Not if we're going to be able to roll back what happened Tuesday night. I'm ready to do whatever it takes to hold up my end of the bargain.
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sumie posted:Translation: "It's not the job of white people have basic human decency" Nah son, the too wokes seem to be operating from the belief that white people are all racist and automatically hate them. My question is if thats your starting point, what exactly do you expect to happen without putting in any work yourself? Seems like a fundamentally flawed world view.
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Bad Decision Dino posted:This also just in, 50% of this country is a completely irredeemable racist piece of poo poo who also voted a black man into the oval office twice! Apparently! Guess what, voting for a black guy doesn't give you a Not A Racist card. Obama is not your close black friend. Racism is not that loving simple.
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Radish posted:They're going to be punished like the rest of us. Not actively trying to get racists on your side when they aren't required isn't punishing them. If the Democrats try and get more worker related planks in their platform and then some Trump voters cross that's fine. The issue is acting like we need those very specific voters to win and start incorporating their wishes, which very probably are racist or no not care whatsoever about racism into their platform. There's plenty of people to appeal to and Trump's numbers were shittier than Romney. Acting like his voters are key to Democratic wins when Hillary had 13% less votes than Obama and Trump got less votes than any other elected president in decades is silly. Everyone stayed home this election, it's just that hurt Clinton a lot worse. OK then, that makes sense.
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Waffles Inc. posted:There's also no need to reach out to fuckhead racist whites because they only impacted this election's rhetoric, not its result Maybe Democrats need to let some other party have a turn. If you aren't willing to look at the Green party and say, "It's their turn," you're probably a bigot.
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Radish posted:They're going to be punished like the rest of us. Not actively trying to get racists on your side when they aren't required isn't punishing them. If the Democrats try and get more worker related planks in their platform and then some Trump voters cross that's fine. The issue is acting like we need those very specific voters to win and start incorporating their wishes, which very probably are racist or no not care whatsoever about racism into their platform. There's plenty of people to appeal to and Trump's numbers were shittier than Romney. Acting like his voters are key to Democratic wins when Hillary had 13% less votes than Obama and Trump got less votes than any other elected president in decades is silly. Everyone stayed home this election, it's just that hurt Clinton a lot worse. Yeah, while I don't think it's going to be very productive for democratic politicians or candidates to poo poo on Trump voters for being racist, there's also no need to try to appeal to them. There is a perfectly serviceable majority of voters in this country who will happily vote for an authentic and likeable candidate who runs on a platform of social and economic justice. The trick is finding enough such candidates to fill a government.
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Not a Step posted:Nah son, the too wokes seem to be operating from the belief that white people are all racist and automatically hate them. My question is if thats your starting point, what exactly do you expect to happen without putting in any work yourself? Seems like a fundamentally flawed world view. If you can't accept the notion: "being white inherently instills you with a fuckload of racist views, major and minor." Then there's no headway we can make with you. It's 2016. White Privilege is A Thing.
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Waffles Inc. posted:There's also no need to reach out to fuckhead racist whites because they only impacted this election's rhetoric, not its result Yeah this exactly. The whole "reach out to Trump voters" is going to result in "let's try and do the old style of socialism for whites" poo poo. Trump voters have been electing lovely Republicans that have been loving them out of jobs for years both locally and for president while they had racist platforms and then vote for Trump with his pro-worker (on the surface) messaging combined with a massively racist platform but it's not the racism they want it's everything else. Trump got LESS votes than a regular Republican. He's not a wave of anything, he should have been beat but Clinton hosed it up by continuing the DNC trend of abandoning their historical labor core for years. z0glin Warchief posted:Yeah, while I don't think it's going to be very productive for democratic politicians or candidates to poo poo on Trump voters for being racist, there's also no need to try to appeal to them. There is a perfectly serviceable majority of voters in this country who will happily vote for an authentic and likeable candidate who runs on a platform of social and economic justice. Yeah I agree. Vilifying trump's supporters isn't going to win elections but we don't need them specifically since they aren't a majority. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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kartikeya posted:Apparently! Maybe it doesn't but then maybe the fact that black guy catered toward their interests while HRC didn't might have kept them from voting. Don't want a generation of racsits republicans destroying the country? Appeal to those who chose not to vote. z0glin Warchief posted:Yeah, while I don't think it's going to be very productive for democratic politicians or candidates to poo poo on Trump voters for being racist, there's also no need to try to appeal to them. There is a perfectly serviceable majority of voters in this country who will happily vote for an authentic and likeable candidate who runs on a platform of social and economic justice. Yeah this is where my generation has to step up. John_A_Tallon posted:Maybe Democrats need to let some other party have a turn. If you aren't willing to look at the Green party and say, "It's their turn," you're probably a bigot.
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:If you can't accept the notion: "being white inherently instills you with a fuckload of racist views, major and minor." Then there's no headway we can make with you. It's 2016. White Privilege is A Thing. and if you can't accept that "people with racist views can be convinced to vote the right way with the correct non-racist appeal" you will never make any headway at all.
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