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Radish posted:Trump ran a racist campaign straight up. You can't just ignore that and assume that well people are angry about their jobs.. so they deserve a pass. It's the same stuff that's pushed by far right groups in Europe where they talk about the evil Polish/Jews/Albanians/whatever stealing the jobs of good "natural" citizens. No one should be saying that Greeks should be reaching out to the Golden Dawn or that British people need to learn from UKIP. There's plenty of people in this country that have shown they are willing to vote if the candidate actually tries to appeal to them, which Clinton apparently did not, without resorting to trying to reach across and steal people that, at best, are totally accepting of a blatantly racist platform if they get some benefit and at worst are actively promoting it as a benefit.
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Waffles Inc. posted:cool nice of you to throw your hat in with police who tell women that they probably consented before they passed out you're a real humanitarian my friend Nah, it's better to treat a victim like a liar and make them jump through as many rings possible to vet them. This will lead to many aggrieved minorities and women openly sharing their experiences.
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John_A_Tallon posted:People lie. But apparently it only matters when minorities lie.
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Question: How difficult will it be for the republicans, now that they have complete control of the federal government, to abolish voting and install Trump as president for life? At this point I assume that Trump can do anything he wants to, literally no one has been able to stop him and I don't see why congressional republicans, state governments, the courts or the military will be different. 
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Waffles Inc. posted:cool nice of you to throw your hat in with police who tell women that they probably consented before they passed out you're a real humanitarian my friend Do you live in a poor neighborhood? are you getting hustled out of cash every time you get gas?
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steinrokkan posted:This is the one thing I don't understand, I would expect education to temper FYGM. I think the fact it doesn't in its current state means that it doesn't promote critical thinking skills. The fact it ladens people with debt that will take 30 years of full time employment to pay off removes all ethics and morals from our profesional labor. I chose to not work for corporate america, i'll work 40 hours a week till I die and never have medical insurance, a car, or own a home. American dream amiright. valnas fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Demographics as Destiny is not happening any time soon guys. The day when whites become a minority in America is still a long way off, and even then blacks aren't winning poo poo on their own because the Hispanic vote isn't a unified thing. Hispanics identify more closely along nation of origin lines than as a full bloc, with lots of variety within group. Lol if you think Cubans and Puerto Ricans have much of anything in common besides complexion. I'm sorry black people. You're always going to need whites and Hispanic allies to accomplish anything in this nation. You will never be strong enough to do it on your own.
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John_A_Tallon posted:Well, the smug white man answer is always going to be: a legal conviction. You're not a court of law either. Literally the only reason to believe dozens of minorities are all lying is so you don't have to give a poo poo about what's already happening to them as a result of this election, or what's happening to them in general. This isn't about 'lol people lie', this is about 'I don't want to care'. Everyone loving knew this was what was going to happen if Trump won, that's why there was so much emphasis on 'running up the score', to loudly refute his racist, bigoted bullshit excuse for a campaign. Now he won and all those shitheads out there, the ones posting nonstop sewage on every internet comment and twitter feed in sight, the ones attending his rallies and beating up black people, the ones waving nazi flags and shouting 'Jew S. A.' those fuckers? They think their time has loving come again because it very well might have. And you can't bring yourself to believe someone yelled 'friend of the family' out a car window.
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Kilroy posted:Yo the class and economy stuff is not about winning Trump voters it's about re-energizing the Democratic base. Please understand this. Yup If the DNC runs another neoliberal globalist next election then I'm writing in Harambe
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The election was lost because the base didn't turn out. But that isn't just the liberal base, the democratic base is complicated and multi faceted. You can't just look at dinner exit polling and a few locations turn out to determine it. You are going to need to do some research studies to really determine who didn't show up and why.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Question: How difficult will it be for the republicans, now that they have complete control of the federal government, to abolish voting and install Trump as president for life? At this point I assume that Trump can do anything he wants to, literally no one has been able to stop him and I don't see why congressional republicans, state governments, the courts or the military will be different. E: Keep in mind a lot of them want to become president at some point themselves, declaring someone president for life goes directly against that interest.
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afeelgoodpoop posted:Do you live in a poor neighborhood? are you getting hustled out of cash every time you get gas? "Every  victim is just looking to grift you for cash!"gently caress you.
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UV_Catastrophe posted:Why are issues of race and class mutually exclusive 
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Question: How difficult will it be for the republicans, now that they have complete control of the federal government, to abolish voting and install Trump as president for life? At this point I assume that Trump can do anything he wants to, literally no one has been able to stop him and I don't see why congressional republicans, state governments, the courts or the military will be different.
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:Nah, it's better to treat a victim like a liar and make them jump through as many rings possible to vet them. This will lead to many aggrieved minorities and women openly sharing their experiences. Oh no it's better you just forward the most unbelievable bullshit possible, like earlier in this thread of the kkk being on an overpass. It's like not like heightened racial hysteria has caused any mass killings or anything.
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Waffles Inc. posted:cool nice of you to throw your hat in with police who tell women that they probably consented before they passed out you're a real humanitarian my friend What's it matter to you what a person who has no accountability to the public, nor connection to the event, nor any particular platform to use to draw greater attention to an injustice, nor any particular emotion about the issue besides "disinterest and apathy", believes or does not believe? If you want to win people over, you should probably not be attacking them for not really caring. You should probably be using appeals to emotion to win them to your side.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Question: How difficult will it be for the republicans, now that they have complete control of the federal government, to abolish voting and install Trump as president for life? At this point I assume that Trump can do anything he wants to, literally no one has been able to stop him and I don't see why congressional republicans, state governments, the courts or the military will be different.
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Not a Step posted:Hillary was always going to have a turn out issue because she's a dogshit candidate and Obama was a legendary god. Her turnout is down something like 6 million from Obama. That means Trump underperforming by 2 million from Romney isn't as comforting as it sounds. Dems can never just expect Obama's numbers again, because Obama was a fluke. An outlier. White Hillary couldnt get even close to the results in the Rust Belt as Black Obama, despite the fact that the black racists keep insisting whites there are all incurable racists. I doubt this. The new faces coming in defintley could inspire voters. Its just that they need to be brought to the forefront now, and Chuck Schumer needs to be removed as leader. Basically purge the boomer leadership.
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Scent of Worf posted:Yup neoliberal globalist, for fucks sake american political discourse is dead the left is poo poo
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Question: How difficult will it be for the republicans, now that they have complete control of the federal government, to abolish voting and install Trump as president for life? At this point I assume that Trump can do anything he wants to, literally no one has been able to stop him and I don't see why congressional republicans, state governments, the courts or the military will be different. Lmao I'm starting to believe the feminization of America is real. Milquetoast liberals like this would loving crumple if poo poo popped off.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:What is that, code for a secret Jew or something? neoliberal globalist, for fucks sake american political discourse is dead It's that gorilla that got shot at the Cincinnati Zoo when a three year old kid got into its enclosure.
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Kilroy posted:I mean at that point it would not be "Congressional Republicans install Trump as Prez-for-Life" it would be "The American government has fallen to a military coup". I mean poo poo, I'm not taking anything off the table after this week, but I doubt it.
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Scent of Worf posted:Lmao I'm starting to believe the feminization of America is real. Milquetoast liberals like this would loving crumple if poo poo popped off. Ah yes, "starting" to believe.
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John_A_Tallon posted:What's it matter to you what a person who has no accountability to the public, nor connection to the event, nor any particular platform to use to draw greater attention to an injustice, nor any particular emotion about the issue besides "disinterest and apathy", believes or does not believe? Why would we want people like you on our side? Gaining a few worthless assholes like you is not worth alienating every person who isn't a well-off white man.
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Who What Now posted:"Every If you live in a poor neighborhood filled with junkies, 99/100 that is true.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:neoliberal globalist, for fucks sake american political discourse is dead Shillary cannot fail. She can only be failed.
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Not a Step posted:Demographics as Destiny is not happening any time soon guys. The day when whites become a minority in America is still a long way off, and even then blacks aren't winning poo poo on their own because the Hispanic vote isn't a unified thing. Hispanics identify more closely along nation of origin lines than as a full bloc, with lots of variety within group. Lol if you think Cubans and Puerto Ricans have much of anything in common besides complexion. Oh no!!! Say it isn't so... what can we do... now.................................
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John_A_Tallon posted:What's it matter to you what a person who has no accountability to the public, nor connection to the event, nor any particular platform to use to draw greater attention to an injustice, nor any particular emotion about the issue besides "disinterest and apathy", believes or does not believe? Well, I posted pictures of a boy with bruises all over him, your response was 'lying liars'. So loving lol.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:With a few notable exceptions he mostly avoided directly addressing racial issues in his campaign speeches. As a famous poet once spoke, “Obama cool, but he ain't sending me no free checks”
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greatn posted:The election was lost because the base didn't turn out. But that isn't just the liberal base, the democratic base is complicated and multi faceted. You can't just look at dinner exit polling and a few locations turn out to determine it. You are going to need to do some research studies to really determine who didn't show up and why.
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Not a Step posted:blacks aren't winning poo poo on their own Can you not? You even call them black people later on.
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Kilroy posted:Yo the class and economy stuff is not about winning Trump voters it's about re-energizing the Democratic base. Please understand this. I gotta say I deeply enjoy the response from the WokeLords about any attempt to expand the base of the Democratic Party and shore up its glaring weaknesses being to throw wailing poo poo fits about PANDERING TO RACISTS. Yes the only way to get rust belt whites to vote Democratic again is to bring back slavery, you dumb babies. We can do more than one thing at a time. Crowsbeak posted:I doubt this. The new faces coming in defintley could inspire voters. Its just that they need to be brought to the forefront now, and Chuck Schumer needs to be removed as leader. Basically purge the boomer leadership. I love the hope and enthusiasm here but be honest. Either Hillary is legendarily bad and everyone who voted for her in the primary should be forced to sit out a cycle so as not to gently caress it up that badly again, or Obama was legendarily good and not someone you could ever plan around having as a campaigner again.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Question: How difficult will it be for the republicans, now that they have complete control of the federal government, to abolish voting and install Trump as president for life? At this point I assume that Trump can do anything he wants to, literally no one has been able to stop him and I don't see why congressional republicans, state governments, the courts or the military will be different. That would lead to a military coup and something along the lines of a Spanish civil war like event. Oh hey it turns our Russia was in regular contact with Trump. Yeah while neoconservatism has its flaws the fact we are certinaly going to have a foreign policy subservient to Russia for the next four years should probably be another campaign idea. "TRUMP HAS MADE AMERICA WEAK, WE HAVE A NEVILLE CHAMBERLAIN IN THE WHITE HOUSE".
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We already knew all that and have since forever, we're talking the specific point that we don't think we need to actively court the Trump base that can be bigoted, instead we could focus more on energizing people who were burned out by this election cycle and the candidate we ended up with, instead of trying to convert racists.
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afeelgoodpoop posted:If you live in a poor neighborhood filled with junkies, 99/100 that is true. What part of gently caress off didn't you get?
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I went back to this Mark Ames article from the 2004 election and while some things have changed I think a large part of it is relevant, especially now.Mark Ames posted:Spite-voters also lack the sense that they have a stake in America’s future. That’s another area that separates the spite-bloc’s way of thinking from the progressive-left that wants to help them. There is something proprietary implied in all of the didacticism and concern found in the left’s tone—and they do all have that grating, caring tone, it’s built into the foundations of their whole structure. But consider this: The left struggles to understand why so many non-millionaire Americans vote Republican, and yet they rarely ask themselves why so many millionaires, particularly the most beautiful and privileged millionaires in Manhattan and Los Angeles, vote for the Democrats. http://exiledonline.com/we-the-spiteful/
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Who What Now posted:Why would we want people like you on our side? Gaining a few worthless assholes like you is not worth alienating every person who isn't a well-off white man. Being combative to someone engaging in a polite discussion is very rude. Writing off entire portions of the population is something you see extremists do. Racists tend to use language that describes entire portions of the population as "worthless assholes." Worrying about alienating people because you're willing to talk to someone is the worry of a person who is insecure in his or her position. kartikeya posted:Well, I posted pictures of a boy with bruises all over him, your response was 'lying liars'. So loving lol. You do realize I wasn't addressing that particular person's experience in particular, right? My arguments were pretty generic, and intended to lay out the reasons that people would have for not caring much, or outright not believing any victim. John_A_Tallon fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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When the gently caress did /pol start leaking into here? People whining about ((globalists)) and telling minorities to stop talking about racism because we really need that deep south redneck vote. Damned porch monkies best toe the line and stop dominating the discussion!
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Sharkopath posted:I think if it's gotten to the point people no longer believe street harassment is real there is not much we can do as minorities to educate and change minds. Yes it's called being skeptical you should try it out. I'm not gonna get outraged over some tweet about an unconfirmed attack. Only dumbasses take something like that without any evidence and claim it to be true. Sorry.
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This is so loving dumb. The rich have used race to divide the lower classes in this country for as long as it's existed and now we just got hosed over by it again. How can a person ever seriously argue "race or class issues?" as if that's not a ludicrous way to view what are two massively intertwined issues? As long as liberals/Democrats view it as a zero-sum decision they have to make then we are hosed. Not a Step posted:Demographics as Destiny is not happening any time soon guys. The day when whites become a minority in America is still a long way off, and even then blacks aren't winning poo poo on their own because the Hispanic vote isn't a unified thing. Hispanics identify more closely along nation of origin lines than as a full bloc, with lots of variety within group. Lol if you think Cubans and Puerto Ricans have much of anything in common besides complexion. People will give you poo poo for this but as a black person I honestly agree with you. We are outnumbered and that's the cold reality. If it makes people feel better: since it looks like Trump got even less votes than Romney, Dems don't need to convert racist white Trump supporters to win, they need to energize the white Rust Belt non-voters who are, at the very least, open-minded enough to have supported Obama twice.
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