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The American left is basically worthless when push comes to shove they will do what they always do hide or stay home when needed. If democrats would just do what rebulicans do and fall inline we would have a much easier time finding the right mix but now we are basically forced out of gov. Good job so me my Mexican family will do what we always do and hunker down hopefully ride it out.
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Scent of Worf posted:Lmao I'm starting to believe the feminization of America is real. Milquetoast liberals like this would loving crumple if poo poo popped off. Watch out guys, America might get more feminine.
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Schizotek posted:When the gently caress did /pol start leaking into here? People whining about ((globalists)) and telling minorities to stop talking about racism because we really need that deep south redneck vote. Damned porch monkies best toe the line and stop dominating the discussion!
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Bad Decision Dino posted:This level of rhetoric is at the same level as Trump refusing to state his belief in the peaceful transfer of power, and it erodes the foundation of a democracy. Grow the gently caress up. Perhaps the person who needs to grow up is you.
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Not a Step posted:I gotta say I deeply enjoy the response from the WokeLords about any attempt to expand the base of the Democratic Party and shore up its glaring weaknesses being to throw wailing poo poo fits about PANDERING TO RACISTS. Well when you have people ITT saying that nothing bad ever happens to black people and any saying that it has is just trying to trick you out of your hard-earned white dollars it's really hard not to see it as pandering to racists.
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Sharkopath posted:It's odd to say we definitely need to win back the Trump voting base and those specific white people to expand the voting base instead of white people that were not duped by the orange demagogue and instead try to recapture a small portion of people who sat this election out. Its almost like a serious push for pro labor policy would accomplish both tasks.
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Bushiz posted:They're not wrong. Neither are you though. Even without the DNC helping her she would have won. She had a twenty year head start, that a socialist septugenariean Vermont jew no one without a red and black flag had heard of before gave her a run for her money is indicative of how bad a candidate she was and how bad of a campaign she ran. I really hope the Democrats have some better candidates for 4 years time. They seem all tapped out. The Republicans had dozens of candidates including three serious ones (not including Trump.) The Democrats had 3, and I'm not sure Sanders was serious to start off with. Who's going to be running in 2020? Tammy Duckworth? A non-white WOMAN? Being a veteran SHOULD be an advantage for her, but Trump has proven via Captain Khan that the public secretly don't care about veterans's service (backed up by all the veteran candidates in living memory losing.)
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Bad Decision Dino posted:None of this was about racism, no matter how often you say it or how much you want it to be. Some of it was about racism. Might be fair to say most of it. We just elected a birther, for gently caress's sake.
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WampaLord posted:Can you not? You even call them black people later on. You big nerd I use 'whites' and 'Hispanics' too without appending the word people in there. Who What Now posted:Why would we want people like you on our side? Gaining a few worthless assholes like you is not worth alienating every person who isn't a well-off white man. Trump 2020 I guess. MAGA again. But no lol most people arent racial purists like you who refuse to work with anyone who isnt 100% ideologically aligned. Thank god. I hope you never have anything even remotely approaching a position of power in a political party, unless its the Republicans. Sir Tonk posted:As early as next year the Dems have a chance to actually give a poo poo about state elections and take back all the Governor spots they've been giving up for the past couple of decades. If they somehow find a way to motivate the left enough to show up more that once every four years, that'd change everything and quickly. ... did you just sleep through the last week? The dems were obliterated, lost to a loving clown, why do you think we're going to get our poo poo together by next year? Governorships will have somehow worse candidates than Hillary running against Rs slightly more competent than Donald. Nothing is at all certain. Or even likely.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Yes it's called being skeptical you should try it out. I'm not gonna get outraged over some tweet about an unconfirmed attack. Only dumbasses take something like that without any evidence and claim it to be true. Sorry. I don't have to be skeptical because it happens to me personally man. Even before this you'd always have yahoo's itching to call people Niggers openly on the street, now they're just more bold.
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Remember when Obama got hurt in the polls and lambasted for saying "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. "And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
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labor in the rust belt will be so totally hosed in the next 4 years. I'm unironically very happy about it given the results and the conversations I've had with people around these blighted shitlands pre election.
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Bushiz posted:They're not wrong. Neither are you though. Even without the DNC helping her she would have won. She had a twenty year head start, that a socialist septugenariean Vermont jew no one without a red and black flag had heard of before gave her a run for her money is indicative of how bad a candidate she was and how bad of a campaign she ran. Yeah Bernie giving her a run for her money (even if he was destined to lose) was a huge warning sign. At that point it was probably too late but that should have been an indicator to the campaign that MAAAAYBE they were in a bad spot and rather than blame Bernie and his followers for screwing her over in the general (or like Samantha Bee straight up insulting them all the way up to the end) even before the primary was over they should have reconsidered what was a safe state and what wasn't. The margin was so low that if she focused in the Rust Belt (instead of trying to run up the numbers in the South) it way have been enough. They did good by integrating his some of his platform it wasn't enough. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:labor in the rust belt will be so totally hosed in the next 4 years. I'm unironically very happy about it given the results and the conversations I've had with people around these blighted shitlands pre election. obama's fault
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Bad Decision Dino posted:None of this was about racism, no matter how often you say it or how much you want it to be. As inaccurate as the people saying this was ONLY about racism are, you're going too far in the other direction. Things can happen for multiple complex reasons.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:labor in the rust belt will be so totally hosed in the next 4 years. I'm unironically very happy about it given the results and the conversations I've had with people around these blighted shitlands pre election. It was already going to be like that, what did they have to lose
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Nov 10, 2016 16:00
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kartikeya posted:You're not a court of law either. Literally the only reason to believe dozens of minorities are all lying is so you don't have to give a poo poo about what's already happening to them as a result of this election, or what's happening to them in general. This isn't about 'lol people lie', this is about 'I don't want to care'. Everyone loving knew this was what was going to happen if Trump won, that's why there was so much emphasis on 'running up the score', to loudly refute his racist, bigoted bullshit excuse for a campaign. Now he won and all those shitheads out there, the ones posting nonstop sewage on every internet comment and twitter feed in sight, the ones attending his rallies and beating up black people, the ones waving nazi flags and shouting 'Jew S. A.' those fuckers? They think their time has loving come again because it very well might have. Let me take it back to the ethical argument here. I said that the only ethical way I (as in any individual with no stake in the victim's story) could choose to believe them or not would be by someone vouching for them, either a trusted second party or a trusted third party. Well. What is twitter? It's a network of people who listen to each other. Trusted second and third parties. You're letting your anger get in the way of a good discussion.
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Nov 10, 2016 16:01
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FourLeaf posted:As inaccurate as the people saying this was ONLY about racism are, you're going too far in the other direction. Things can happen for multiple complex reasons. people want gvt to explicitly not help the fabled welfare queen or other undesirables (because they never get help!) so they vote against big gvt which is the only thing that'll give them economic salvation. It's mostly racism.
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Bad Decision Dino posted:None of this was about racism, no matter how often you say it or how much you want it to be. The poor Democratic turnout I think we'll find is in part an apathy on the part of white Democrats to racial issues. This is lamentable - indeed deplorable. I for one will do my part to help fix that, but it's not going to be turned around in two years and we really need to take the House and the Senate in 2018. Note that apathy to issues of race is not the same as antipathy (that's what you see on the GOP side). We don't need to, and most definitely should not, abandon identity politics or civil rights or anything stupid like that, but the Democrats do need to address concerns of class more than they have been, if they want to win elections.
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The only group other than woke twitter that patriates strangers opinions as if they're true is the alt right. Both of them have created ridiculous fake racial myths. Only with woke twitter allys have to swallow any common sense and act as though hearsay is true. It is incredibly toxic to leftism at large.
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Panzeh posted:Its almost like a serious push for pro labor policy would accomplish both tasks. Would it though? I seen unions throw minorities under the bus enough times throughout history that I no longer intrinsically believe only appealing to labor trickles benefits down to the minority base. I'm saying we need both. I think you shouldn't ignore these minority issues and focus exclusively on courting labor and the white vote but some posters here are arguing that is flawed.
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Sylink posted:It was already going to be like that, what did they have to lose
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Bad Decision Dino posted:None of this was about racism, no matter how often you say it or how much you want it to be. I mean it isn't like it has to be exclusively about one or the other - it is pretty fair to say both played a part.
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Sharkopath posted:Would it though? I seen unions throw minorities under the bus enough times throughout history that I no longer intrinsically believe only appealing to labor trickles benefits down to the minority base. You're not going to get a party that does more than pay lip service to minority issues unless it's built from the ground up around those issues. Too many established politicians are racist to some degree.
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afeelgoodpoop posted:The only group other than woke twitter that patriates strangers opinions as if they're true is the alt right. Both of them have created ridiculous fake racial myths. Only with woke twitter allys have to swallow any common sense and act as though hearsay is true. Incredible racial myths like: minorities are often harassed on the street because of their easily identifiable visual differences?
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Schizotek posted:When the gently caress did /pol start leaking into here? People whining about ((globalists)) and telling minorities to stop talking about racism because we really need that deep south redneck vote. Damned porch monkies best toe the line and stop dominating the discussion! You know how right after things were getting called, posters were all 'haha, dumb Democrats will now run to the right'? That's what's going on in this garbage thread. A whole bunch of self described progressives are scared because Trump won, and some of them voted for Hillary and some of them sat out or went third party, so now it's run run run to the safe white 'not actually racist really guys' end of the pool and call all the minorities grifting liars while demanding they should have done more to save us all' time. There was also a legit freakout about women in the other thread and how they can't be trusted as candidates or to vote properly...you know, despite the majority of Trump's voters being men.
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pocket pool posted:I mean it isn't like it has to be exclusively about one or the other - it is pretty fair to say both played a part. But how are we supposed to debate in circles for days if we concede that the truth is in the middle??? Shame on you! 
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Taser stock is doing really well, today 
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:labor in the rust belt will be so totally hosed in the next 4 years. I'm unironically very happy about it given the results and the conversations I've had with people around these blighted shitlands pre election. Nice compassion Again I'm pretty happy none of you WokeLords will ever hold any kind of real power in politics, because you'd tear apart the party to satisfy your purity tests faster than even the worst CTR story about BernieBros.
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Torpor posted:Taser stock is doing really well, today Private prisons went back up to, Trump thinks privatization works better though factually it has been shown to not save money and causes more problems in every instance!
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Sharkopath posted:Incredible racial myths like: minorities are often harassed on the street because of their easily identifiable visual differences? Myths as in actual events believed to have happened, not generalities.
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pocket pool posted:I mean it isn't like it has to be exclusively about one or the other - it is pretty fair to say both played a part. I think this is a good litmus test: anyone who denies this election was at least SOMEWHAT about race is straight up delusional. Sorry, that I can't be nice about. But it's that sort of ignorance that needs to be confronted.
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Torpor posted:Taser stock is doing really well, today Within 3 hours of Trump becoming the winner of the election Danish medical company Novo Nordisk gained 7% on the stock market within 5 minutes of it opening. This is a company that announced that it was going to cut hundreds of workers just a month ago citing price falls in the US market. So why the quick turnaround? Crushing Obamacare means medicine prices going back up again.
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I hold a lot of political power and I will give each and every one of you a stern swirly you loving iditos
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John_A_Tallon posted:Let me take it back to the ethical argument here. I said that the only ethical way I (as in any individual with no stake in the victim's story) could choose to believe them or not would be by someone vouching for them, either a trusted second party or a trusted third party. it's not "a good discussion" you loving clown, these are real things happening to real people and your response is "well only if it's verified" and you don't see that that response is horrifying to anyone in this thread (or in general) who have been assaulted afeelgoodpoop posted:The only group other than woke twitter that patriates strangers opinions as if they're true is the alt right. Both of them have created ridiculous fake racial myths. Only with woke twitter allys have to swallow any common sense and act as though hearsay is true. "ridiculous fake racial myths" being talked about in response to someone disbelieving that a poc was harassed and assaulted in the street jesus god christ we are through the looking glass indeed
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You can focus on minority and labor issues they aren't mutually exclusive. The Trump labor faction wants jobs back but also doesn't really want minorities around like how it was for them in the past. Obama rode in on change and got elected twice but for most people stuff didn't really get a whole lot better, it just didn't get worse. Then when Hillary tries with her incredibly (earned and unearned baggage) there was no charismatic leader to cover for that and the labor that doesn't care as much about social issues stayed home. Going all in on labor is going to go back to minorities being left out which is unacceptable but the DNC just had the notion it can ignore the concerns of workers and focus entirely on social issues totally explode in their face. They need to do both and get on it immediately. They are going to get somewhat of a "gift" in that the GOP is going to gently caress up the country hardcore leading to a lot of unrest but they can't assume running Clinton again (wtdf is anyone actually saying this??) will work since Trump is unpopular. We can't take a DNC "trust us we got this  " bargain again.
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John_A_Tallon posted:Let me take it back to the ethical argument here. I said that the only ethical way I (as in any individual with no stake in the victim's story) could choose to believe them or not would be by someone vouching for them, either a trusted second party or a trusted third party. Minorities reporting getting harassed and attacked for being minorities by Trump supporters, let's call them liars trying to cheat us out of our sympathy: the ethical argument. I am not letting my anger get in the way of a good discussion, because this is a garbage discussion about people getting hurt and not being believed. You're the only one who seems to think you're having a philosophical debate.
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eightpole posted:I hold a lot of political power and I will give each and every one of you a stern swirly you loving iditos You're threatening them with the great white god?
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:labor in the rust belt will be so totally hosed in the next 4 years. I'm unironically very happy about it given the results and the conversations I've had with people around these blighted shitlands pre election. I wouldn't be so happy. When they realise that President Trump couldn't do what he said, they will not think "Gosh! We were wrong about far right politicians! We were wrong to blame minorities for our economic problems! We should all work together to build a healthy society." No. They will say "Trump tried to bring the jobs back, but those traitorous liberals, lying Jewish media, and terrorist Muslims worked together to prevent him and things got worse! We need to see people die for this! Vote President NeoHitler!"
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