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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:also imagine being a poor rural white voter who maybe has a decades old computer or maybe no computer at all and only has a landline phone or maybe imagine someone who's an impoverished african-american in detroit or milwaukee or philadelphia who has to go to a chronically underfunded local library to use a computer or get internet access and then half a million of them didn't show up to the polls. god, this was such a fuckup. top to bottom. christ.
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Mirthless posted:I didn't say their issues were invalid or that they didn't need help By showing them that its not the minorities loving them over, which is possible to do because you know its true!
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Mirthless posted:If you voted for Trump you hate women, the disabled, and minorities, period, full stop, sorry this attitude is basically why the dems will keep losing elections and probably will continue to lose them even after demographics make them the majority because the GOP peel off hispanic whites from the coalition
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By and large I assume many Trump supporters are very racist, some are not very racist, and some simply do what anybody would do, and indeed regard the needs of strangers as a lower priority than their needs, which is legitimate for somebody who is in debt ´, unemployed and stuck in the middle of nowhere with four hungry necks to feed. I've already said to gently caress anybody who can't be arsed to take a second to think about others if they have that luxury. In conclusion, Zythrst posted:By showing them that its not the minorities loving them over, which is possible to do because you know its true! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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You need to get over the thought that every person that voted for Trump did so because they hate minorities. That kind of thinking is why the Dems lost. I guarantee you that a lot of Trump voters didn't even think about minorities, and that's a problem, but that doesn't make them bad people and blaming them is pointless.
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Karl Barks posted:by offering an alternative you giant dumbass There was an alternative
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Mirthless posted:There was an alternative HahahahahahahHH
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Fiction posted:The young voters are pissed btw. 2018 better not be pretty. they still wont' vote
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Mirthless posted:There was an alternative A person that didn't even acknowledge they existed. Awesome. How does it feel living inside your own rear end?
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Mirthless posted:There was an alternative Hillary.com wasn't on the ballots, the last time I checked.
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Zikan posted:lol if you thought Clintonism would die immediately lmao we're hosed I genuinely like hillary clinton despite her flaws and her positions I do not agree with, I was glad to vote for her, but to quote chris onstad: you folded with a focus and intensity normally seen only in success she needs to never show her face in public again
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Zythrst posted:By showing them that its not the minorities loving them over, which is possible to do because you know its true! Cool, yes, this is a thing we should do, but it does not turn back time and change the fact that Donald Trump is a racist and white supremacist who ran on a genocide platform and got elected NumberLast posted:You need to get over the thought that every person that voted for Trump did so because they hate minorities. That kind of thinking is why the Dems lost. Whether or not that was their reason is irrelevant; It does not change who they voted for and what the impact of that vote is going to have on minorities and women "I was just voting in my best interests" is the civilian version of "I was just following orders". While it's understandable, that doesn't mean I have to offer unconditional forgiveness. I'm always going to remember their hand was on the switch.
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Mirthless posted:There was an alternative Clinton's attempt at playing female idpol was so lovely it didn't even work on women 
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Zikan posted:lol if you thought Clintonism would die immediately lol he's claiming responsibility for dukakis in a tank? every other dukakis campaign aide said dukakis just really wanted to listen to the running commentary the tank crew was providing hence the stupid loving helmet since it had a crew headset in it
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Terror Sweat posted:lmao wapo is now shilling for bernie. gently caress everyone at that paper eagerly looking forward to capeheart's article shilling for bruce rappaport
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Mirthless posted:If you voted for Trump you hate women, the disabled, and minorities, period, full stop, sorry I dont think a majority of trump voters hate me, I just think they dont give a poo poo about me. This isnt news to me though, and it shouldnt be news to you.
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Slugnoid posted:Bernie wouldn't have won. biden was probably the only dem who could have done it "I have learned nothing from Trump's unprecedented and meteoric rise"
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Mirthless posted:"I was just voting in my best interests" is the civilian version of "I was just following orders". While it's understandable, that doesn't mean I have to offer unconditional forgiveness. I'm always going to remember their hand was on the switch. That and you'll also accuse people of voting for/supporting Trump, but never did.
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Mirthless posted:There was an alternative you are so loving close but you can't get there
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Oh Snapple! posted:bruce rappaport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3LE15AyT5g
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Mirthless posted:Cool, yes, this is a thing we should do, but it does not turn back time and change the fact that Donald Trump is a racist and white supremacist who ran on a genocide platform and got elected Blaming and punishing people for their ignorance is a great strategy!!
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Mirthless posted:Cool, yes, this is a thing we should do, but it does not turn back time and change the fact that Donald Trump is a racist and white supremacist who ran on a genocide platform and got elected It also didn't turn back time on the fact that the dead gay Democratic Party gave up on getting any voters. Hard to expect people to vote for an "alternative" that didn't even bother to ask for your vote and left you in the ditch.
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Mister Fister posted:That and you'll also accuse people of voting for/supporting Trump, but never did. Man MF if you didn't vote for Trump I'm sorry but it's not like you weren't one of the most consistently violently anti-minority anti-woman bernouts in the group I mean there's a lot of Trump supporters out there who have legitimately never done anything racist in their life (prior to tuesday night, anyway) but whether or not you are one of Trump's supporters you are not one of those people so I don't know why you're being coy about it now
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Mirthless posted:Cool, yes, this is a thing we should do, but it does not turn back time and change the fact that Donald Trump is a racist and white supremacist who ran on a genocide platform and got elected Well, and I could be mistaken, but I assume the point of this thread is making sure something like that doesn't happen again.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:also lol i guess lowtax has made his toxx decision finally Awww, i asked for clemency for Zikan in the QCS thread
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"Incrementalism is dead." For the past year or so I've been sharing articles on Facebook and pairing this phrase with them as I thought it applied. My family and my circle of friends are lower middle class whites from Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. (I've also got some Europeans on there from studying abroad.) Of that circle of friends/family, probably half were gonna vote R no matter what. The other half were absolutely galvanized by Bernie, myself included. Oct. 1: quote:http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/298812-clinton-criticizes-sanders-fans-in-leaked-audio Sept. 15: quote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/marcia-ranglin-vassell-ousts-majority-leader-squeaker_us_57d98678e4b0fbd4b7bcd122 Aug. 4: quote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/hillary-clinton-necono-republican-endorsements-donald-trump-policy-issues July 27: quote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/27/hillary-clinton-general-election-bernie-sanders-campaign "Incrementalism is dead" as a phrase seems to drop off here but I can see the theme obviously crystallizing as I scroll backward in time on my Facebook wall. July 25: quote:http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/obamas-attempt-to-redeem-america/492710/ June 10: quote:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/democrats-will-learn-all-the-wrong-lessons-from-brush-with-bernie-20160609 May 2: quote:http://www.npr.org/2016/05/02/476202372/taking-it-to-the-limit-cruz-sanders-or-kasich-might-still-revive-convention-wars March 16: quote:http://louderwithcrowder.com/dear-men-who-vote-bernie-sanders-youre-wimpy-and-gross/ March 4: quote:http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/minnesota?smid=fb-share March 2: quote:Surely Sen. Elizabeth Warren will be rewarded by the Democratic establishment for staying on the sidelines and not endorsing Bernie. Bonus articles! Sept. 30: quote:http://thebaffler.com/blog/hrc-should-be-more-like-malkmus July 20 (reminder this is our vice president-elect): quote:https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jul/19/mike-pence-disney-mulan-mischievous-propaganda-us-presidential-election-film fake edit: Previewing this post and looking at the most recent posts, idk who this mirthless guy is, but he's wrong about "Berniebros" voting for Trump. I ended up voting HRC and so did most of my Bernie friends. I doubt any of my R friends even voted; they were very much Charlie Sykes-style conservatives.
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Mirthless posted:Man MF if you didn't vote for Trump I'm sorry but it's not like you weren't one of the most consistently violently anti-minority anti-woman bernouts in the group So, i'm not a Trump voter, but now you're going to pivot to that? I'm a POC, but i'm sure you're going to pivot to me being a self hating POC now.
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Say it with me folks: Having voted for Trump doesn't make you a bad person. Having voted against Trump doesn't make you a good person. Defining people you don't know by their vote is loving stupid.
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NumberLast posted:Say it with me folks: Having voted for Trump doesn't make you a bad person. I will need some peer reviewed research on that Let me check DnD
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Regardless of Hillary bad or DNC bad it would be amazing if D's had the kind of loving discipline the Rs do in showing up to vote. I mean they literally ran an overt racist possibly insane person and got almost exactly the same numbers as the last two cycles.
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Mister Fister posted:Awww, i asked for clemency for Zikan in the QCS thread i never back down from a promise!
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mrmcd posted:Regardless of Hillary bad or DNC bad it would be amazing if D's had the kind of loving discipline the Rs do in showing up to vote. the dems would win every single election then
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steinrokkan posted:I will need some peer reviewed research on that     
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Typo posted:the dems would win every single election then I have good news: it's happened before with the New Deal coalition and the demographic makeup for something like that is stronger than ever before.
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mrmcd posted:Regardless of Hillary bad or DNC bad it would be amazing if D's had the kind of loving discipline the Rs do in showing up to vote. This might be as simple has having the vast majority of your base in cities.
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mrmcd posted:Regardless of Hillary bad or DNC bad it would be amazing if D's had the kind of loving discipline the Rs do in showing up to vote. It's pretty incredible that they get people to turn out year after year. It helps that they actually have a media apparatus. "Center-left" media like MSNBC are way more interested in appearing impartial to stave off that "liberal media" criticism than they are in actually spinning a narrative.
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Mirthless posted:It's pretty incredible that they get people to turn out year after year. It helps that they actually have a media apparatus. "Center-left" media like MSNBC are way more interested in appearing impartial to stave off that "liberal media" criticism than they are in actually spinning a narrative. MSNBC isn't left all though. I mean some of the anchors want to be, but the bosses clearly aren't.
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Zikan posted:lol if you thought Clintonism would die immediately Third Way has been a terrible tragedy for democrats but you also have to swear allegiance to it if you want to get nominated. It's the secret handshake. When Democrats swept into the House and Senate in 2006, it was largely thanks to blue dog Democrats like Heath Shuler -yes, this Heath Shuler  who immediately cozied up to K-Street. I really don't know what the new model for the next wave needs to be or how we get there. tadashi has issued a correction as of 17:41 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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