EvilJoven posted:

Imagine what's going to happen when entire logistics, accounting and legal departments are replaced by a tiny handful of people inputting data into a couple of servers racked up in the corner of some data center somewhere.

That's coming sooner than a lot of white collar workers realize and it's to be such a massive wake up call for the white collar world when it does.

Jan posted:

This is the real fundamental problem. Lots of rural jobs have simply been deprecated out of existence, and it's far easier for the people who once held these jobs to blame it on what they don't know (i.e.: immigrants and intellectual elites in their ivory tower) than to understand that these jobs aren't necessary anymore. So of course, Trump promising to bring back all those jobs (nevermind the lack of viability for these jobs in the first place).

The world needs to evolve away from this fixation on jobs being a central part of one's identity and life. Who knows what the post-industrial world looks like, quite possibly it implies basic income. Incidentally, this rural crowd would be too proud to accept these "government handouts".

Maybe education might help them see that the world is evolving and that it's not the fault of minorities. But that'd be drinking the kool-aid of the filthy elites.

More likely we can only wait until rural regions slowly die out.

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Rural people don't want to live condo to cubicle.

infernal machines posted:

How do rural people want to live, Ikantski?

infernal machines posted:

How do rural people want to live, Ikantski?

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Rural people don't want to live condo to cubicle. As backwards as you think they are, they feel just as strongly. Their contempt isn't towards minorities, it's towards city people which I think is completely justified if your post is at all representative.

TheKingofSprings posted:

The current system's endpoint is everyone except for the capitalists becoming redundant and it's crazy that that's just tacitly accepted.

TheKingofSprings posted:

One saving grace of rural areas is that agriculture is a job that will never become obsolete or redundant

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Broadly, I'd say they seem happy to trade income and amenities for outdoorsy nature stuff and elbow room.

EvilJoven posted:

Dude tractors already drive themselves thanks to not needing to be approved by Transport Canada. Career farmers and everyone else at the lower levels of agriculture are suffering so much from automation and economy of scale driving down wages for every aspect of the industry it's frightening.

Except for the upper levels of the white collar corporate aspects of agriculture. Holy gently caress is there ever a lot of money flowing to the top.

I should know, I'm a computer janitor for a big Ag entity.

a fleshy snood posted:

Jesus christ is every single person in this thread an IT weenie

TheKingofSprings posted:

I think it's been said before in the thread but somehow the gradual streamlining and loss of jobs through technological advancement follows the viewpoint that "these people are just going to need to find work and be unable to" rather than "these people don't need to work anymore because machines have their share covered now".

The current system's endpoint is everyone except for the capitalists becoming redundant and it's crazy that that's just tacitly accepted.

One saving grace of rural areas is that agriculture is a job that will never become obsolete or redundant (but may become outcompeted if a large enough entity seems profit to be made in simply producing the wheat, canola, etc. for their own products themselves, margins are thin enough as it is and haven't improved much for farmers in decades).

TheKingofSprings posted:

I think it's been said before in the thread but somehow the gradual streamlining and loss of jobs through technological advancement follows the viewpoint that "these people are just going to need to find work and be unable to" rather than "these people don't need to work anymore because machines have their share covered now".

The current system's endpoint is everyone except for the capitalists becoming redundant and it's crazy that that's just tacitly accepted.

One saving grace of rural areas is that agriculture is a job that will never become obsolete or redundant (but may become outcompeted if a large enough entity seems profit to be made in simply producing the wheat, canola, etc. for their own products themselves, margins are thin enough as it is and haven't improved much for farmers in decades).

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As many Americans come to grips with the outcome of the election, several Canadians ponder how the change in leadership will impact them.

Manitoba's former premier Gary Doer was in Winnipeg to help answer that question on Wednesday. He told a crowd of more than 200 people from the city’s business community that he is optimistic about president-elect Donald Trump’s future.

“He will in my view exceed expectations,” he said. “He prides himself on being a deal maker and I think there will be an attempt in Washington to end the gridlock.”

Doer said there are challenges ahead, such as Trump's plan to tax profits made by U.S. companies in other countries.

Doer, who served as Canada's ambassador to the United States, said it is good thing that Governor Chris Christie is leading Trump’s White House transition team.

Working with Christie on different panels, Doer explained the Governor has always been pro-trade, particularly with Canada. He sees this as a positive sign for the country, despite Trump previously criticizing free-trade deals.

Doer said there are challenges ahead, such as Trump's plan to tax profits made by U.S. companies in other countries.

He said the key for Canadian firms is to remind America that Canada is its biggest customer and buys more American goods than the European Union.

“You've got to be as populist as the populist president-elect, and you've got to talk as customers over and over and over again to get through in Washington," Doer added.

Canada also has an advantage over other countries, when it comes to trade with the U.S., Doer said. He explained that goes for unions who represent workers on both sides of the border.

He said when he got to Washington, the steel plant in Selkirk, north of Winnipeg, was under threat from trade restriction provisions.

"The steelworkers are the same union in Selkirk as they were in the United States. I went to the union and said we need help getting a waiver from the nine provisions ... that completely negated Canadian companies from competing," Doer said. "I think the chamber [of commerce] and labour should work together ... because we have a mutual interest in employment."

Doer was premier representing the NDP in Manitoba from 1999 until 2009. He served as ambassador to the U.S. from October 2009 until March 2016.

cowofwar posted:

Almost no jobs will become obsolete or redundant, they will all become highly automated and employ 90% fewer people.

In agriculture they have giant picking machines that pick, clean and sort all at the same time that just need a couple people walking in front to clear the produce of bugs and poo poo.

TheKingofSprings posted:

One saving grace of rural areas is that agriculture is a job that will never become obsolete or redundant (but may become outcompeted if a large enough entity seems profit to be made in simply producing the wheat, canola, etc. for their own products themselves, margins are thin enough as it is and haven't improved much for farmers in decades).

TheKingofSprings posted:

I think it's been said before in the thread but somehow the gradual streamlining and loss of jobs through technological advancement follows the viewpoint that "these people are just going to need to find work and be unable to" rather than "these people don't need to work anymore because machines have their share covered now".

The current system's endpoint is everyone except for the capitalists becoming redundant and it's crazy that that's just tacitly accepted.

One saving grace of rural areas is that agriculture is a job that will never become obsolete or redundant (but may become outcompeted if a large enough entity seems profit to be made in simply producing the wheat, canola, etc. for their own products themselves, margins are thin enough as it is and haven't improved much for farmers in decades).

Risky Bisquick posted:

The movie Interstellar had automated GPS tractors, these are aren't some future looking thing. They are real and exist today, agriculture is just as vulnerable.

The first to go will be truck drivers, which employs millions.

Jan posted:

I am pretty sure that urban agriculture of all kinds is a thing that is being actively researched and worked on. It might not supplant rural agriculture as much as complement it, but expect an increasing amount of rooftop high density hydroponic farms accounting for a significant portion of production.

EvilJoven posted:

The thing about that video is all that by now all the equipment you see being driven by an operator is either already autonomous or just a few years away from being so.

Risky Bisquick posted:

The GPS combines from the movie Interstellar are being rolled out right now.

EvilJoven posted:

GG left, you lose again.

infernal machines posted:

I'd agree, based on my personal experience. Is anyone preventing them from doing that?

Postess with the Mostest posted:

There is a perception that Hydro One, Wynne and the people who keep electing her are making their life harder.

JawKnee posted:

The continued pressures of globalism and immigration will ensure that rural culture will continue to disappear - as it should. Trump is an unfortunate side effect of the last vestiges of a dying history mounting whatever defense they can of this - but it too will pass, gracefully or not so; people like that - and the people who defend people like that - are on the wrong side of history.

EvilJoven posted:

You blame Trump's election on the vestiges of rural society?

It wasn't just rurals that elected Trump.

Ajon posted:

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That being said, there are enough rurals left that if you keep antagonizing them and pushing them away, allowing the right to capitalize on your desire for division, you will only make it harder for the left to regain traction in our society.

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Same with the people living in the suburbs you demonize.
Same with the out of work assembly line workers you demonize.
Same with the white collar cubicle drones you demonize.

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There is a limited amount of time before it's too late. If we don't change things there will be nothing left but war, famine, and death. Don't play chicken with the course of humanity because it's easier to blame the state of our society on whatever group you aren't a member of you've decided to lay all the ills of mankind on that day.

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We band together or we fall. Choose to find a way to help us come together or die on your soap box, screaming at the masses for being shitlords.

TheKingofSprings posted:

They're still not currently perfect and if they gently caress up you are liable to have your tractor drive onto the highway and kill someone or cause a collision resulting in several hundred thousand dollars in damage. Eventually the driver may become completely supplanted by a machine but I really hope there's at least enough sane regulation to keep someone at the wheel as a precaution.

PittTheElder posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwC_Hzm5Z9s

I've seen the prototypes, they work great, and I suspect that cabless tractor will be on the market by 2020, certainly by 2030. The big Precision Ag companies are all working on this stuff, using cameras and Lidar to fix all the issues drivers are expected to handle now (nor is requiring a driver working now, since you've got interns and 17 year olds operating them now, and everyone is loving around on their iPads while they do so). For all the hype about driverless cars, I'm betting you'll see driverless ag equipment at work first.