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When will we stop feeling like poo poo
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:32 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 05:48 |
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Bhaal posted:I don't know why I keep containing my urge to tell the 2nd group to eat poo poo and die hungry. Maybe don't? These people voted for this. They need to own the consequences of that.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:33 |
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straight up brolic posted:When will we stop feeling like poo poo It'll pass soon, and will likely be replaced by fire. This is a good thing.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:32 |
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Fojar38 posted:Because Trump is already retracting all the poo poo that made them vote for him and backing down on his more extreme rhetoric. His campaign just removed the Muslim ban from his website for example. Ta-da!
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:32 |
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So Keith Ellison and Howard Dean are running for chair
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:32 |
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negromancer posted:Because you don't care enough to actually risk even a fraction of what minorities have to risk everyday. not emptyquoting Arguing your beliefs and arguing in defense of others on social media, with those whose minds you may even actually be in a position to change, is literally the least you can do.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:33 |
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Deified Data posted:Good post. I think this thread should get its poo poo together in a couple weeks but until then the circular firing squad with the occasional smug Trumpist doesn't make for compelling content. But it is loving hilarious. This is a comedy forum drat it. Also bigly post, Deified Data.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:34 |
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Xae posted:Like it is not a sizeable portion of the progressive base has the mentality of a 12 year old girl and needs to be ~~~iNsPiReD~~~~ to perform their civic duty. So what happens when catering to them leads to losses among another demographic? I'm not saying politics is a zero-sum game where you can't appeal to one group without losing another, but there was already disappointingly little attention paid to minority issues in this election, and I'm sure seeing that white Democrats can't be bothered to show up and have their back is going to do a real number on minority turnout - especially since any hope of reversing Shelby County is dead under a Trump presidency.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:34 |
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Skippy Granola posted:Here's my Canadian hot take based on an interested outsider's perspective: Folks are too pissed off these days to focus on the greater good. I'd be okay with this. Let the republicans turn their areas into a third-world country with no capabilities that can't make or produce anything but hatred and meth.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:34 |
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:But it is loving hilarious. This is a comedy forum drat it. I learned from Fox News today that Donald Trump is actually saying "big league" when he says that.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:35 |
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Bummer.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:36 |
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Crain posted:I'm still not really all in on getting back into thinking about, talking about, and watching politics again. This isn't just some "Woe is me, we shall now descend into the abyss" whine, although trying to get past that fear is part of it. I'm just having trouble approaching this situation in a manner that might be constructive. But it seems a lot of people do not have that hang up here.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:35 |
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negromancer posted:And they won't. They will poo poo on a plate if it means minorities have to eat it too. This is a huge population in America so it's not a one size fits all thing. There will be whites that accept that message, and whites that reject it. The ones that accept it are on board and I think they can change for the better. I was raised in rural Mississippi. I'm white. I've talked to racist whites in a closed room where they felt comfortable saying whatever came to mind. Some can be helped and changed. Some can't. The ones that reject it, gently caress 'em. We're going to help them anyway just like we're going to help the black community down the road from them. And we're going to give their kids a good education too so that eventually the kids can learn just how categorically wrong their parents were about everything.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:36 |
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Scent of Worf posted:https://twitter.com/time/status/796805891475570688 Does this surprise anyone? Did anyone really not see this coming?
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:38 |
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disjoe posted:I don't think the pivot should be "let's coddle the racist and say his racism is okay" and I really hope no one in this thread thinks it should be. What happens when a white racist guy instead prefers to vote for people who pledges to improve their lives but not the lives of minority communities? What happens when a white racist guy would rather vote against people who pledge to improve the lives of minority communities even if they're also pledging to improve the lives of white people? This is how we end up with welfare recipients who vote to repeal welfare because, although it was really helpful to them when they needed it, they've heard that a lot of black people use welfare too and therefore it needs to go.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:39 |
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Main Paineframe posted:So what happens when catering to them leads to losses among another demographic? I'm not saying politics is a zero-sum game where you can't appeal to one group without losing another, but there was already disappointingly little attention paid to minority issues in this election, and I'm sure seeing that white Democrats can't be bothered to show up and have their back is going to do a real number on minority turnout - especially since any hope of reversing Shelby County is dead under a Trump presidency. Voter suppression is going to be an even bigger issue come next election and Democrats need to do a much better job of communication with minority voters on issues of actual importance. At the same time, they can reach out to blue collar workers, so long as they avoid PC lecturing.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:38 |
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Fojar38 posted:Note: I'm not saying that bad and lovely legislation isn't going to pass in the next 2 years, but there are still checks on power even with control of all branches of government, both seen and unseen. The founders were just as terrified of President Trump as we are. Honestly, President Trump is probably the biggest kind of thing they were scared of. Sure, most of them wouldn't approve of a black or a woman president, but to be honest none of them would really seriously consider those possibilities anyway. A demagogue who sweeps into power on the backs of a mob, wielding concentrated executive power and with a rubber-stamp legislature? You bet your sweet rear end they'd have (collectively, if not necessarily individually) been terrified of that possibility. We know this for certain; so much of their political writings concerned the ways in which their system could be turned to tyranny, and the ways they'd tried to prevent that. It just so happens that we've, necessarily I would argue, concentrated power in the executive, such that when a demagogue inevitably ends up there, he's got access to so many more levers of power than previously in history. Andrew Jackson would have a spontaneous orgasm just thinking about the kinds of power Trump will have access to, and everyone at the time thought he was a loose cannon and a potential tyrant who swept into power on the backs of unprecedented popular support.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:41 |
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sit on my Facebook posted:I wonder if at this point the ACA perhaps has the institutional inertia to not get repealed. The insurance companies have spent enormous amounts of money accommodating the infrastructure necessary to implement it, the GOP can't (hahaha of course they can but let's stay positive) just rip away pre-existing condition coverage, at least without massive popular outcry, and rich white people will see their rates go up as healthy young people with insurance through the exchanges all leave the risk pool. I'm at least convinced that repealing the ACA is not a DAY ONE, stroke-of-the-pen type thing. The LA Times is thinking the same thing: Despite Republican pledges, 'repealing Obamacare' will be almost impossible -- but it could be damaged quote:Republicans “made the public think Obamacare caused all the trouble,” former Medicare official Don Berwick told Kaiser Health News. “That's absolutely wrong. They could repeal it tomorrow and costs would continue to go up.” If the GOP executes broad changes in the law but can’t quell the cost trends, it will be blamed for the failure.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:40 |
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I'm with #YEEEARRRGH
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:40 |
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Scent of Worf posted:So Keith Ellison and Howard Dean are running for chair Dean was very good at his job, he's just been working for despicable people since he had it.... Keith Ellison rules.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:40 |
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idiotsavant posted:Cool, see you in 2020 with the next centrist Democrat to lose to Trump. Nothing the DNC does will win them anything, least of all trying to court people who don't see a single problem with destroying countless lives. So I don't see the point in pandering to racists in a completely futile and ultimately meaningless gesture. There's no good reason to do it and people's willingness ITT to sell their souls for literally nothing is both astounding and distressing. People keep saying "well I guess Trump will just get elected again" as if that were some sort of profound revelation. It's not. At this point it's an inevitability.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:42 |
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A lot of Republican had been talking about repealing the "bad parts" of Obamacare. They'll keep the pre-existing conditions coverage (or grandfather it in, somehow), but the individual mandate will go, maybe loosen employer coverage requirements, and you'll probably be allowed to buy across state lines, leading to a race to the bottom (similar to Delaware and coporate taxes). The whole thing will collapse in a few years, but in a way that Republicans can say they aren't to blame.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:42 |
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https://twitter.com/pgourevitch/status/796835973854351364 Another white liberal throwing minorities under the bus for not being perfectly submissive. Note how he's comparing the propping up of racist birther conspiracy theory to people saying NotMyPresident because Trump spent his entire presidential race dehumanizing them.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:43 |
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Scent of Worf posted:So Keith Ellison and Howard Dean are running for chair Is there anything anyone outside the party apparatus can do to influence that campaign? I contacted my Rep, who caucuses about as far left as it gets, before realizing the Congressional delegations don't actually vote on that. Then it turns out that my state chair, who does vote, is Mike loving Madigan.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:43 |
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sit on my Facebook posted:not emptyquoting
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:44 |
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"Russia and Syria have publicly announced wanting peace with US. DOW is at record level. Canada announces they are willing to renegotiate NAFTA with the US. It's only been two days." -the_donald headline, owns owns owns owns ownsnegromancer posted:Because you don't care enough to actually risk even a fraction of what minorities have to risk everyday. when an asian man walks outside hes literally in a more dangerous situation than fallujah. clam down my dude, you aren't healing a racial divide by telling white people how much they suck. I think you should read some threads on this very website on why you lost
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:44 |
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Scent of Worf posted:https://twitter.com/pgourevitch/status/796835973854351364 Stop protesting, angry young people! Just accept Trump as your leader, and in 4 years you can quietly vote for someone to speak for you.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:43 |
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Quorum posted:Honestly, President Trump is probably the biggest kind of thing they were scared of. Sure, most of them wouldn't approve of a black or a woman president, but to be honest none of them would really seriously consider those possibilities anyway. A demagogue who sweeps into power on the backs of a mob, wielding concentrated executive power and with a rubber-stamp legislature? You bet your sweet rear end they'd have (collectively, if not necessarily individually) been terrified of that possibility. We know this for certain; so much of their political writings concerned the ways in which their system could be turned to tyranny, and the ways they'd tried to prevent that. It just so happens that we've, necessarily I would argue, concentrated power in the executive, such that when a demagogue inevitably ends up there, he's got access to so many more levers of power than previously in history. Andrew Jackson would have a spontaneous orgasm just thinking about the kinds of power Trump will have access to, and everyone at the time thought he was a loose cannon and a potential tyrant who swept into power on the backs of unprecedented popular support. It's true that the executive has wielded progressively more power since the Civil War but that's in part because the federal government has simply gotten larger and larger over time. Despite the rhetoric there is no point in history where the US government shrunk, not even during the Reagan years. The executive has more power but so do the other branches.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:44 |
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Scent of Worf posted:https://twitter.com/pgourevitch/status/796835973854351364 lmao In fact, the birther nonsense was "not the president." Donald Trump is legitimately the President of the United States, god help us. I just refuse to respect him or the dignity of his office, just as you wouldn't approve of a dog that shits on your nice rug just because it's Persian. There's no honeymoon period for this rear end in a top hat; he gets judged not just for what he says and does but what he has previously said and done, moving forward and I hope forever. If there is any pleasure at all to come, it will come from watching this fascist cheeto elemental fail miserably, just as he has failed miserably at every business venture he has ever attempted.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:45 |
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Reading this thread isn't fun anymore.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:45 |
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Fansy posted:Stop protesting, angry young people! Just accept Trump as your leader, and in 4 years you can quietly vote for someone to speak for you. Provided that person excited you personally enough.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:46 |
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Fansy posted:Stop protesting, angry young people! Just accept Trump as your leader, and in 4 years you can quietly vote for someone to speak for you. what are the protests going to achieve, my dude, this is four years of punishment for picking the shittiest candidate on planet earth you can't unfuck whats been hosed unless your name is lee harvey and I don't think that's right
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:45 |
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The liberal infighting is interesting but not at all productive. We need to recognize the failures of the past, but only in so far as we can use them as a tool for the future. Pointing fingers is not an end in itself, it's just a means of self-congratulation.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:46 |
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Sexual Aluminum posted:Reading this thread isn't fun anymore. Once it becomes apparent that this isn't literally the apocalypse we'll be back to our regular sarcastic arsehole selves.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:47 |
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Sexual Aluminum posted:Reading this thread isn't fun anymore. Maybe there will be a little less polyannish delusion and more pragmatic solutions discussed after we all clean up our vomit from tuesday night.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:46 |
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:what are the protests going to achieve, my dude, this is four years of punishment for picking the shittiest candidate on planet earth I sure as gently caress didn't pick Trump, so IDK what you're talking about.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:46 |
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Fojar38 posted:It's true that the executive has wielded progressively more power since the Civil War but that's in part because the federal government has simply gotten larger and larger over time. Despite the rhetoric there is no point in history where the US government shrunk, not even during the Reagan years. The executive has more power but so do the other branches. Well, to be honest most of the centralization of power I'm thinking of has come mostly in two phases-- during the New Deal and its expansion of executive departments, and during the last eight years with its unprecedented failure of legislative leadership. Obama had to take actions which were technically within the power of the executive but were traditionally shunned, or else witness government fail completely. It's to his credit that he didn't do so more, honestly, poo poo like the trillion dollar coin or whatever would have been disasters.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:46 |
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mcmagic posted:Dean was very good at his job, he's just been working for despicable people since he had it.... Keith Ellison rules. The Fifty-state Strategy was arguably a pretty big mistake since many of the Democrats it put into office were too vulnerable to attacks from the right. Just because you can win a particular seat doesn't necessarily mean that you should, especially if you're going to have to divert huge amounts of resources to defending it in the future.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:48 |
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Doctor Butts posted:This is a really good point. A whooooooole bunch of people in this thread complained how Hillary spent too much time attacking Trump and not doing the whole hope and change routine. A woman being criticized for being too passive and too aggressive at the exact same time? This is not a thing that any woman has ever seen before ever, nope.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 23:46 |
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twodot posted:What possible reason could you have to care about whether people feel guilty other than voting strategy? Very simple, removing the idea that it's permissible for those people to live in complacency and pretend they didn't do something horrible. Every bit of bigotry that is allowed to lie passively, even the tacit approval of people who sat at home, contributes to the larger environment of hatred and oppression against minorities. You can fix bigotry by voting and you can also fix it by not staying quiet about bigotry just because it isn't wearing a hood or dragging someone behind a truck.
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