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Trabisnikof posted:Stop using your fetish as an excuse. What? quote:Also we aren't in therapy, we're in a political discussion thread. You're got no problem discussing the future until someone disagrees with you, then oh it's all "don't hurt your pretty head with those nasty thoughts" Clearly the best thing to do is talk about how lovely everything is and is going to get and feel sadder and sadder and worse and worse to the point where nobody wants to do anything because why bother? Everything is terrible poo poo!
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:28 |
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Remember how Hillfolk used to share HA Goodman's articles and laugh at him for saying that someone like Bernie was going to be the only way to keep Trump out of power.... That wasn't why he was laughed at.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:30 |
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Fojar38 posted:You are fortune-telling, friend, and that is not mentally healthy. We don't know what the SCOTUS will look like, and the Dems will retain influence in the senate. The GOP still can't unilaterally roll those things back. I am, in fact, stating what I think. We do not know the future. Oh, good, the Dems still "retain influence" in the Senate. I'm glad that a four-year-long filibuster is what you're counting on to preserve human rights in the states. Assuming a recess appointment isn't made, of course, or RBG doesn't die and we get a quick cascade of N to N-1 majority rulings in the Supreme Court clarifying that, as it so happens, the Fourteenth Amendment's equal protection doesn't apply to gays, women, or minority early voters after all.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:29 |
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mdemone posted:O'Donnell went all in on "respect for the office" last night. Paraphrasing: "The office of the president has committed crimes. The office of the president has committed genocide against native peoples. The office of the president has held slaves. 'The office of the president' is a phrase invented by politicians to avoid responsibility for their actions. Respect must be earned, it should not be given to an office or a man that does not deserve it. The office of the president is now occupied by a racist, and he does not deserve respect simply because it's his new office." Holy poo poo that owns and is so true. Does MSNBC put there poo poo on youtube?
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:29 |
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Yeah Don't Do This Future Dems http://www.rollcall.com/news/opinion/im-a-coastal-elite-from-the-midwest-the-real-bubble-is-rural-america I’m from the rural Midwest. I now live in Washington, D.C. All of this talk about coastal elites needing to understand more of America has it backward. ... When you grow up in rural America, denying rights to people is an abstract concept. Denying marriage rights to gay people isn’t that much different than denying boarding rights to Klingons. ... To pin this election on the coastal elite is a cop-out. It’s intellectually dishonest, and it’s beneath us. We, as a culture, have to stop infantilizing and deifying rural and white working-class Americans. Their experience is not more of a real American experience than anyone else’s, but when we say that it is, we give people a pass from seeing and understanding more of their country. More Americans need to see more of the United States. They need to shake hands with a Muslim, or talk soccer with a middle aged lesbian, or attend a lecture by a female business executive. ... If we pin this election on coastal elites, we are excusing white working-class and rural Americans for voting for a man accused of violating the Fair Housing Act by refusing to rent apartments to black people. If we pin this election on coastal elites, we are excusing white working-class and rural Americans for voting for a man who called Mexicans rapists, drug dealers and criminals. If we pin this election on coastal elites, we are excusing white working-class and rural Americans for voting for a man who called for a complete ban on Muslim immigration. ... Change has not been kind to the Midwest and rural America. And rather than embrace it, rural and white working-class Americans are twisting and turning, fighting it every step of the way. We will never return to the days where a white man could barely graduate high school and walk onto a factory floor at 18 and get a well-paying job for life. That hasn’t set in for much of the Midwest.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:30 |
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Tatsuta Age posted:Ever heard of a presidential pardon? Only applies federally.
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Fojar38 posted:What? Google it in private. quote:Clearly the best thing to do is talk about how lovely everything is and is going to get and feel sadder and sadder and worse and worse to the point where nobody wants to do anything because why bother? Everything is terrible poo poo! If only there was a middle ground between dismissing all conversation as depression and not discussing it at all. Sure the future of our nation is sad, but this is the place to talk about it.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:31 |
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Some Guy in a Jail Somewhere posted:. We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was "legal" and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was "illegal." It was "illegal" to aid and comfort a Jew in Hitler's Germany. Even so, I am sure that, had I lived in Germany at the time, I would have aided and comforted my Jewish brothers. If today I lived in a Communist country where certain principles dear to the Christian faith are suppressed, I would openly advocate disobeying that country's antireligious laws.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:33 |
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Bip Roberts posted:So which senator looks most likely to pull an Arlen Sector and switch caucuses if Trump pushes more than he can bargain? Assuming that there actually are any who would, I would say Graham might do it out of spite. I could see someone like Sasse realizing his presidential aspirations are toast as well, since he hitched his wagon to the anti-Trump movement early and loudly, and now there probably isn't a place for him. Lastly, Jeff Flake has seemed to be very concerned both with the rise of Trump and also partisanship (he's one of the only GOP sens that was at least vocal about blocking the Garland nom being wrong). Also he is Mormon, and not as much of a nutcase as someone like Mike Lee. I really, really hate Flake's economic policies, but he is better on things like civil liberties than most GOP senators. So, those would be my guesses, if it happens at all, which I wouldn't hold out hope for.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:33 |
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Nevvy Z posted:Only applies federally. I actually didn't know that. Thanks.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:34 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:No filibuster means they 100% own everything that passes, or fails to pass, in Congress. With a filibuster they can still have a Dem opposition scapegoat/savior for truly insane poo poo Trump wants and they don't.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:34 |
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The rallying cry of true progressives, as ever, should be "If not now, when?"
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:37 |
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Heh, my loving roommate: "When it started to dawn on mainstream newscasters that Trump was winning, did you see their faces, their fear? There's their bias, right there." I argue that it is right and good to feel fear and anguish when you see Adolf Hitler rise to unopposed federal power.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:37 |
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Good lord
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:37 |
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Good lord What do you find worthy of rolling your eyes about that?
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:39 |
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Nonsense posted:Yeah Don't Do This Future Dems This is one hundred percent correct however and white progressives are tripping over themselves to jettison all talk of minority rights to appeal to white working class people who think things like the right to marry who you want or not be murdered by police for the color of your skin are minorities being uppity PC SJWs.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:42 |
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Potato Salad posted:Heh, my loving roommate: It was legit chilling seeing the cold fear grip people who had to pretend they had their poo poo together. Charlie Rose was on the verge of tears.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:43 |
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Trabisnikof posted:What do you find worthy of rolling your eyes about that? You should read King when he talks about economic policy but definitely ignore him when he starts talking about the importance of discussions on race again.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:43 |
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Like literally a vast majority of the country lives in urban areas. A minority of the population is holding the rights of minorities hostage to their fantasies of easy jobs they can never have back.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:45 |
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Lightning Knight posted:This is one hundred percent correct however and white progressives are tripping over themselves to jettison all talk of minority rights to appeal to white working class people who think things like the right to marry who you want or not be murdered by police for the color of your skin are minorities being uppity PC SJWs. Na you lost and its time to win for the sake of everybody.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:45 |
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Nonsense posted:Na you lost and its time to win for the sake of everybody. Lmao dude we all lost. There won't be enough of the country left to put back together. That's what white people voted for.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:48 |
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Nonsense posted:Na you lost. Don't see what mindless gloating has to do with the discussion but whatever.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:47 |
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Ah, the stealth edit.
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Sharkopath posted:Ah, the stealth edit. Want a prize?
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:49 |
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Nonsense posted:Want a prize? Only if it's you not posting. I'm finding it fascinating just how hollow the Democratic party is right now. In one night they've been stripped of pretty much all power and yet are still the majority party by registration and votes. Boon fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Nov 11, 2016 |
# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:49 |
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Nonsense posted:Na you lost and its time to win for the sake of everybody. People who think taking attention off of white dude problems for one single minute equals being ignored and abandoned are all over D&D and it's pretty loving embarrassing.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:51 |
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Lightning Knight posted:This is one hundred percent correct however and white progressives are tripping over themselves to jettison all talk of minority rights to appeal to white working class people who think things like the right to marry who you want or not be murdered by police for the color of your skin are minorities being uppity PC SJWs. who is talking about jettisoning minority rights? throughout this whole election i've been saying that economics is the most important thing in politics and should always be at the forefront of a campaign. in d&d i was ostracized and scolded and even branded racist for this type of talk. but it true. its absolutely true and it just cost the Democrats a crushing election (in real terms, not "but the percentages were so close" terms). the democrats need to make economics their number one priority. above everything else. they also need to keep all the great pluralism and social justice planks. they need both. BOTH. we just saw a platform that ignored economics cost the democrats millions of former democratic voters, resulting in numerous flipped states that are traditionally blue. we can have BOTH things. but the fact is that pluralism and social justice are NOT winning platforms. they are excellent planks but they won't win. if you want that type of reform to get elected and passed it needs to tie itself to economic change.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:50 |
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Boon posted:Only if it's you not posting. I'll post where I like Boon. >EDIT<: It is time to stop Dean's run for chair. Nonsense fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Okay, well in that case I want no prize then.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:53 |
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RaySmuckles posted:who is talking about jettisoning minority rights? I already seen people blame Trans Rights and the sjw menace for the loss, you should read what people who agree with you are posting sometimes.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:55 |
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RaySmuckles posted:who is talking about jettisoning minority rights? No, we cannot have both things. Economic populism without racism will always lose to economic populism with racism because this is a racist country that teaches white privilege to white people. White people consistently dismiss minority concerns as secondary and consistently wish to downplay them in favor of white concerns. Hell LGBT rights are probably only so popular as they are because white people can be gay too. The Democrats running on a no war but the class war platform and dismissing BLM, racism against Hispanics, and women's and LGBT rights - as Bernie consistently did! - will hemorrhage minority voters and white voters will get poached off by Republicans running on "gently caress immigrants, support police heroes." Edit: like our platform didn't even ignore economies. We ran on free college and higher wages. White people didn't believe us because we said BLM once or twice and said maybe don't hate immigrants.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:54 |
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RaySmuckles posted:they need both. BOTH. we just saw a platform that ignored economics cost the democrats millions of former democratic voters, resulting in numerous flipped states that are traditionally blue. The platform didn't ignore economics and only an idiot or pundit thinks it did. Turns out voters just prefer a plank that isn't realizable but sounds nice.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:56 |
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Boon posted:Only if it's you not posting. Don't forget having control of no states! Nonsense posted:I'll post where I like Boon. The rebuttal gets a 3/10. I dub thee scorched. What's wrong with Dean? I don't pay attention to party workings because of my job making it mostly moot.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:55 |
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twodot posted:People who didn't vote thought it was a good idea, all you insisting that it's bigotry does is tell them that bigotry is apparently a good idea. Im about to blow your mind. You ready? Ok, here goes: They already believe that.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:56 |
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kartikeya posted:People who think taking attention off of white dude problems for one single minute equals being ignored and abandoned are all over D&D and it's pretty loving embarrassing. The best part is minorities face the same problems white working class folks do so we don't actually have to choose one or the other. Some people disagree for some reason.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:56 |
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If Palin becomes Secretary of the Interior who stays home to keep Track out of the liquor cabinet. Nobody I hope, I'd like to see her get taken down by another white trash scandal.
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I wonder if she had a backwards D on her cheek. http://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana/news/crime_police/article_2e351106-a74b-11e6-86d9-cf799c2824a8.html?reload3
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:56 |
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Inferior Third Season posted:If they're dumb enough to keep the filibuster for the Supreme Court, Dems should filibuster absolutely everyone and just say no one is getting through until Merrick Garland has had his hearings and a vote. Democrats should stall all Supreme Court nominees for four years. After all, Trump is a deeply divisive and unpopular president.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 00:58 |
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Democrats should stall all Supreme Court nominees for four years. After all, Trump is a deeply divisive and unpopular president. They'll kill the filibuster if they try, if they haven't already.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Democrats should stall all Supreme Court nominees for four years. After all, Trump is a deeply divisive and unpopular president.
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