Trabisnikof posted:

Stop using your fetish as an excuse.

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Also we aren't in therapy, we're in a political discussion thread. You're got no problem discussing the future until someone disagrees with you, then oh it's all "don't hurt your pretty head with those nasty thoughts"

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

Remember how Hillfolk used to share HA Goodman's articles and laugh at him for saying that someone like Bernie was going to be the only way to keep Trump out of power....

Fojar38 posted:

You are fortune-telling, friend, and that is not mentally healthy. We don't know what the SCOTUS will look like, and the Dems will retain influence in the senate. The GOP still can't unilaterally roll those things back.

mdemone posted:

O'Donnell went all in on "respect for the office" last night. Paraphrasing: "The office of the president has committed crimes. The office of the president has committed genocide against native peoples. The office of the president has held slaves. 'The office of the president' is a phrase invented by politicians to avoid responsibility for their actions. Respect must be earned, it should not be given to an office or a man that does not deserve it. The office of the president is now occupied by a racist, and he does not deserve respect simply because it's his new office."

He wrote it much better than I've made it sound above. My jaw was open.

Tatsuta Age posted:

Ever heard of a presidential pardon?

Fojar38 posted:

What?

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Clearly the best thing to do is talk about how lovely everything is and is going to get and feel sadder and sadder and worse and worse to the point where nobody wants to do anything because why bother? Everything is terrible poo poo!

Some Guy in a Jail Somewhere posted:

. We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was "legal" and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was "illegal." It was "illegal" to aid and comfort a Jew in Hitler's Germany. Even so, I am sure that, had I lived in Germany at the time, I would have aided and comforted my Jewish brothers. If today I lived in a Communist country where certain principles dear to the Christian faith are suppressed, I would openly advocate disobeying that country's antireligious laws.

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

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I had also hoped that the white moderate would reject the myth concerning time in relation to the struggle for freedom. I have just received a letter from a white brother in Texas. He writes: "All Christians know that the colored people will receive equal rights eventually, but it is possible that you are in too great a religious hurry. It has taken Christianity almost two thousand years to accomplish what it has. The teachings of Christ take time to come to earth." Such an attitude stems from a tragic misconception of time, from the strangely irrational notion that there is something in the very flow of time that will inevitably cure all ills. Actually, time itself is neutral; it can be used either destructively or constructively. More and more I feel that the people of ill will have used time much more effectively than have the people of good will. We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people. Human progress never rolls in on wheels of inevitability; it comes through the tireless efforts of men willing to be co workers with God, and without this hard work, time itself becomes an ally of the forces of social stagnation. We must use time creatively, in the knowledge that the time is always ripe to do right. Now is the time to make real the promise of democracy and transform our pending national elegy into a creative psalm of brotherhood. Now is the time to lift our national policy from the quicksand of racial injustice to the solid rock of human dignity.

Bip Roberts posted:

So which senator looks most likely to pull an Arlen Sector and switch caucuses if Trump pushes more than he can bargain?

Nevvy Z posted:

Only applies federally.

Evil Fluffy posted:

No filibuster means they 100% own everything that passes, or fails to pass, in Congress. With a filibuster they can still have a Dem opposition scapegoat/savior for truly insane poo poo Trump wants and they don't.

See also: Trump nominating some Harriet Miers-grade SCOTUS pick that the GOP really, really, doesn't want that they also know the Dems will line up to oppose.

kartikeya posted:

kartikeya posted:

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

Good lord

Nonsense posted:

Yeah Don't Do This Future Dems


http://www.rollcall.com/news/opinion/im-a-coastal-elite-from-the-midwest-the-real-bubble-is-rural-america

I’m from the rural Midwest. I now live in Washington, D.C. All of this talk about coastal elites needing to understand more of America has it backward.

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When you grow up in rural America, denying rights to people is an abstract concept. Denying marriage rights to gay people isn’t that much different than denying boarding rights to Klingons.

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To pin this election on the coastal elite is a cop-out. It’s intellectually dishonest, and it’s beneath us.

We, as a culture, have to stop infantilizing and deifying rural and white working-class Americans. Their experience is not more of a real American experience than anyone else’s, but when we say that it is, we give people a pass from seeing and understanding more of their country. More Americans need to see more of the United States. They need to shake hands with a Muslim, or talk soccer with a middle aged lesbian, or attend a lecture by a female business executive.

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If we pin this election on coastal elites, we are excusing white working-class and rural Americans for voting for a man accused of violating the Fair Housing Act by refusing to rent apartments to black people. If we pin this election on coastal elites, we are excusing white working-class and rural Americans for voting for a man who called Mexicans rapists, drug dealers and criminals. If we pin this election on coastal elites, we are excusing white working-class and rural Americans for voting for a man who called for a complete ban on Muslim immigration.

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Change has not been kind to the Midwest and rural America.

And rather than embrace it, rural and white working-class Americans are twisting and turning, fighting it every step of the way. We will never return to the days where a white man could barely graduate high school and walk onto a factory floor at 18 and get a well-paying job for life. That hasn’t set in for much of the Midwest.

Potato Salad posted:

Heh, my loving roommate:

"When it started to dawn on mainstream newscasters that Trump was winning, did you see their faces, their fear? There's their bias, right there."

I argue that it is right and good to feel fear and anguish when you see Adolf Hitler rise to unopposed federal power.

Trabisnikof posted:

What do you find worthy of rolling your eyes about that?

Lightning Knight posted:

This is one hundred percent correct however and white progressives are tripping over themselves to jettison all talk of minority rights to appeal to white working class people who think things like the right to marry who you want or not be murdered by police for the color of your skin are minorities being uppity PC SJWs.

Nonsense posted:

Na you lost and its time to win for the sake of everybody.

Nonsense posted:

Na you lost.

Sharkopath posted:

Ah, the stealth edit.

Nonsense posted:

Want a prize?

Nonsense posted:

Na you lost and its time to win for the sake of everybody.

Lightning Knight posted:

This is one hundred percent correct however and white progressives are tripping over themselves to jettison all talk of minority rights to appeal to white working class people who think things like the right to marry who you want or not be murdered by police for the color of your skin are minorities being uppity PC SJWs.

Boon posted:

Only if it's you not posting.

RaySmuckles posted:

who is talking about jettisoning minority rights?

throughout this whole election i've been saying that economics is the most important thing in politics and should always be at the forefront of a campaign.

in d&d i was ostracized and scolded and even branded racist for this type of talk.

but it true. its absolutely true and it just cost the Democrats a crushing election (in real terms, not "but the percentages were so close" terms).

the democrats need to make economics their number one priority. above everything else.
they also need to keep all the great pluralism and social justice planks.

they need both. BOTH. we just saw a platform that ignored economics cost the democrats millions of former democratic voters, resulting in numerous flipped states that are traditionally blue.

we can have BOTH things. but the fact is that pluralism and social justice are NOT winning platforms. they are excellent planks but they won't win. if you want that type of reform to get elected and passed it needs to tie itself to economic change.

RaySmuckles posted:

who is talking about jettisoning minority rights?

throughout this whole election i've been saying that economics is the most important thing in politics and should always be at the forefront of a campaign.

in d&d i was ostracized and scolded and even branded racist for this type of talk.

but it true. its absolutely true and it just cost the Democrats a crushing election (in real terms, not "but the percentages were so close" terms).

the democrats need to make economics their number one priority. above everything else.
they also need to keep all the great pluralism and social justice planks.

they need both. BOTH. we just saw a platform that ignored economics cost the democrats millions of former democratic voters, resulting in numerous flipped states that are traditionally blue.

we can have BOTH things. but the fact is that pluralism and social justice are NOT winning platforms. they are excellent planks but they won't win. if you want that type of reform to get elected and passed it needs to tie itself to economic change.

RaySmuckles posted:

they need both. BOTH. we just saw a platform that ignored economics cost the democrats millions of former democratic voters, resulting in numerous flipped states that are traditionally blue.

we can have BOTH things. but the fact is that pluralism and social justice are NOT winning platforms. they are excellent planks but they won't win. if you want that type of reform to get elected and passed it needs to tie itself to economic change.

Boon posted:

Only if it's you not posting.

I'm finding it fascinating just how hollow the Democratic party is right now. In one night they've been stripped of pretty much all power and yet are still the majority party by registration and votes.

Nonsense posted:

I'll post where I like Boon.

>EDIT<: It is time to stop Dean's run for chair.

twodot posted:

People who didn't vote thought it was a good idea, all you insisting that it's bigotry does is tell them that bigotry is apparently a good idea.

kartikeya posted:

People who think taking attention off of white dude problems for one single minute equals being ignored and abandoned are all over D&D and it's pretty loving embarrassing.

Inferior Third Season posted:

If they're dumb enough to keep the filibuster for the Supreme Court, Dems should filibuster absolutely everyone and just say no one is getting through until Merrick Garland has had his hearings and a vote.

NoEyedSquareGuy posted:

Democrats should stall all Supreme Court nominees for four years. After all, Trump is a deeply divisive and unpopular president.

NoEyedSquareGuy posted:

Democrats should stall all Supreme Court nominees for four years. After all, Trump is a deeply divisive and unpopular president.