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Mnoba posted:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-democratic-party-deserves-to-die_us_58236ad5e4b0aac62488cde5 This article is real good
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Boon posted:According to a lot of people in here, the latino voters who did not vote or who supported Trump are all huge racist assholes with no possible other reason to not vote or to vote Trump (though honestly the latter I don't get - therefore it can only be racism). Minorities can be racist, even against themselves. How goddamn stupid are you?
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Nov 11, 2016 02:06
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theflyingorc posted:The average voter is not informed enough to care about this. No but constant little things like this actually did work to erode the enthusiasm for her which is why no one showed up to vote. You can talk about how progressive the platform is all you want but it doesn't work if the candidate is a liar.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:07
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Main Paineframe posted:If you want Neo Bernie, step one is to never, ever say the words "in four years" ever again. Elections happen every two years. Ok fair enough but I still need a club to join because I'm not charismatic enough to start one. Otherwise it's just me in a closet, clutching my knees and muttering "every two years" to myself in the dark.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:08
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Who What Now posted:Minorities can be racist, even against themselves. How goddamn stupid are you? Not stupid enough to believe that racism alone explains this loss.
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Real question, not being snarky: If the US is largely casually bigoted then what is the alternative to giving a back seat to identity politics during a race and then implementing race/gender/etc reform once in office?
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Nov 11, 2016 02:09
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Elections happen when the establishment tells us they happen. Political change happens whenever we feel like it should happen.
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Boon posted:Not stupid enough to believe that racism alone explains this loss. So stupid and wrong, then. Not a good combo.
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DeusExMachinima posted:I wonder if she had a backwards D on her cheek. http://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana/news/crime_police/article_2e351106-a74b-11e6-86d9-cf799c2824a8.html?reload3 Called it 
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Who What Now posted:Minorities can be racist, even against themselves. How goddamn stupid are you? Boon posted:Not stupid enough to believe that racism alone explains this loss. You guys are just yelling past each other over whether racism/economic factor are 30/70 or 40/60.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:09
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Mnoba posted:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-democratic-party-deserves-to-die_us_58236ad5e4b0aac62488cde5 That article is crap, though. "The Democrats lost because they didn't have a solution to magically resurrect factory jobs that no longer exist. Neither did the Republicans, but at least they offered up white nationalism! Also the Democrats were elitist rich jerks who weren't blue-collar enough." Grognan posted:Poor whites actually split down the middle you gently caress. Its like you're painting an entire group with the racism brush and surprised when the other party uses that to the hilt. I'm not talking about just this election. I'm talking about the slow erosion of social safety nets over the past decades. These are the same people who cheered the demolition of welfare, reelected people who actively rejected healthcare subsidies for poor people, and so much more. Boon posted:According to a lot of people in here, the latino voters who did not vote or who supported Trump are all huge racist assholes with no possible other reason to not vote or to vote Trump (though honestly the latter I don't get - therefore it can only be racism). If you think Latinos can't be racist against Latinos, you're a perfect example of taking minorities for granted.
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Main Paineframe posted:If you think Latinos can't be racist against Latinos, you're a perfect example of taking minorities for granted. He's saying they have economic factors, just like poor whites.
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Main Paineframe posted:That article is crap, though. "The Democrats lost because they didn't have a solution to magically resurrect factory jobs that no longer exist. Neither did the Republicans, but at least they offered up white nationalism! Also the Democrats were elitist rich jerks who weren't blue-collar enough." I still don't get why we can't just lie. Poor conservatives apparently hate big government but they sure do love Medicare.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:11
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Main Paineframe posted:That article is crap, though. "The Democrats lost because they didn't have a solution to magically resurrect factory jobs that no longer exist. Neither did the Republicans, but at least they offered up white nationalism! Also the Democrats were elitist rich jerks who weren't blue-collar enough." The democrats could campaign on reversing financialization of the economy (the financialization that they're partially responsible for) but like that's ever going to happen.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:14
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Plenty of white Latinos out there who are descended from peninsulares, are rich and/or have been here for generations, and look down on their poorer darker skinned brethren. Also, don't forget about the Cubans. You just don't recognize them because they don't "look Hispanic" to you. Go hang out with elite Mexicans sometime, aside from the accent (if it even exists) many are indistinguishable from white Americans in appearance.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:14
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Nevvy Z posted:You guys are just yelling past each other over whether racism/economic factor are 30/70 or 40/60. Allow me some catharsis while I come to terms with my country crumbling around me and I prepare for the inevitable.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:13
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zh1 posted:This forum is like politics for babies. it didn't used to be this bad...don't get me wrong, it was never good, but holy poo poo. the purges really did a number here I've had to explain like 6 different times over the past 12 hours that the President isn't King.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:14
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It's almost like we need the guiding light of communism to ever stand a chance against the continuous capitalist degradation that's led us to this point
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Main Paineframe posted:That article is crap, though. "The Democrats lost because they didn't have a solution to magically resurrect factory jobs that no longer exist. Neither did the Republicans, but at least they offered up white nationalism! Also the Democrats were elitist rich jerks who weren't blue-collar enough." I did say it wasn't going to sit well  , I live in Indiana and went through Nafta closures twice and help shipped jobs the past 15 years to Mexico. Retraining is quite a stretch of the word, in order to qualify for the free education you couldn't work or make money to support an existing family at all. I watched a room full of people storm out of a seminar explaining the rules in frustration. And not just white people either.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:15
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Fojar38 posted:I've had to explain like 6 different times over the past 12 hours that the President isn't King. this is sad as hell. in 05-07 or so this was at least a place people could talk about things, then obama happened and anyone who questioned his godliness was banned on sight and a bunch of right-leaning assholes were appointed as mods to get rid of the rest and here we are. i've never seen a more effective cleansing of anything resembling actual debate
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Nov 11, 2016 02:17
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Who What Now posted:This election was literally "Status Quo and Incremental Progress" vs "gently caress All Minorities Forever". Everyone who didn't vote for the former approves of, or at best doesn't care about, the latter. And silence is tacit approval of bigotry. This election conclusively proved that the majority of this nation simply does not care about the lives of minorities of any kind, and will gladly see them all dead either purposefully or through apathy. What an idiotic argument (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 11, 2016 02:17
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Reminder that Hitler got into office with all of 33% of the vote and had a cabinet full of "mainstream" conservative politicians who were supposed to restrain him. Three months later, democracy was dead. People are not overreacting.
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ThePeavstenator posted:Real question, not being snarky: If I had a good answer for this I wouldn't be drinking so much. The best I have is to focus on local politics, but that won't save anyone's human rights any time soon.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:18
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Gail Wynand posted:Reminder that Hitler got into office with all of 33% of the vote and had a cabinet full of "mainstream" conservative politicians who were supposed to restrain him. Three months later, democracy was dead. People are not overreacting. The institutions of Weimar Germany were way, way, way weaker than American ones.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:19
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really liking the fairy tale what-ifs Bernie would have been the candidate he would have won, when he couldn't even win a primary against MOST HATED CANDIDATE OF ALL TIME GRR!!
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Gail Wynand posted:Reminder that Hitler got into office with all of 33% of the vote and had a cabinet full of "mainstream" conservative politicians who were supposed to restrain him. Three months later, democracy was dead. People are not overreacting. I really don't think the POTUS has the capacity to takeover the way Hitler did.
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Gail Wynand posted:Reminder that Hitler got into office with all of 33% of the vote and had a cabinet full of "mainstream" conservative politicians who were supposed to restrain him. Three months later, democracy was dead. People are not overreacting. Man, America elects a fascist president and everyone turns into a bunch of Gloomy Gus's. Fojar38 posted:The institutions of Weimar Germany were way, way, way weaker than American ones.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:20
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Gail Wynand posted:Reminder that Hitler got into office with all of 33% of the vote and had a cabinet full of "mainstream" conservative politicians who were supposed to restrain him. Three months later, democracy was dead. People are not overreacting. maybe if the dems didn't do their damndest to help trump get the nomination we wouldn't be at ruin's doorstep. the hillary campaign unleashed cheeto benito on us and then flubbed it
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:What an idiotic argument And yet one that has thus far been unrefuted.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:22
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Nevvy Z posted:I really don't think the POTUS has the capacity to takeover the way Hitler did. He has the charisma of a dog turd for one, and oratory skills of a 10 year old fighting of a hive of angry africanized bees.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:21
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PerniciousKnid posted:On the other hand, Hitler didn't have Facebook. Hitler also murdered all of his political opposition and Trump is not going to do that.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:23
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Nov 11, 2016 02:22
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Wooten posted:Where is the data to suggest that people who voted for Obama voted for Trump this time when he had slightly lower turnout than Romney? That comes from the county level map. I do not think it's correct to say that "Obama voters went Trump" unless we get a decent number of polls asking that and returning that info. From my POV we didn't lose voter to Trump. We just lost votes. An effect of that is that the Obama voters in those key districts weren't there to counter act the GOP voters that we know are always going to be there. If it was really that Obama voters went for Trump I think we'd see that 5.7 or some number of them on the GOP side. Poor voter turn out gave those counties to Trump.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:22
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You can still have identity politics people. You just need more than that. Economic issues are additive.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:24
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Well if anything, Trump winning has made US POL tolerable I haven't wanted to blow my brains out yet or been told to check my privaledge so there's that.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:24
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Mantis42 posted:You can still have identity politics people. You just need more than that. Economic issues are additive. Yeah if only Hillary hadn't spent 100% of the time talking about identity politics. Oh wait.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:26
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Mnoba posted:Well if anything, Trump winning has made US POL tolerable I haven't wanted to blow my brains out yet or been told to check my privaledge so there's that. We got corncobbed hard this week and I think that we've all got some self-reflection to do.
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Mnoba posted:Well if anything, Trump winning has made US POL tolerable I haven't wanted to blow my brains out yet or been told to check my privaledge so there's that. Oh, you don't want to kill yourself? How nice for you. Some of us aren't so lucky. Check your privilege, rear end in a top hat.
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Mnoba posted:check my privaledge I still don't know what that means. 
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