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Deified Data posted:I encourage every black person in America to buy a gun if only to see the NRA squirm over how to respond to it. The whole decline in the shooting sports over the last half century plus is largely due to the differences in urban/rural views and lack of urban accessibility to safe/legal ways to participate in the shooting sports, so having a huge new chunk of urban gun owners would, well make them orgasm so hard they'd at least lose consciousness. Not to mention there's a not insignificant chunk of NRA members, especially on this board in TFR and myself included, that would love nothing more out of the NRA than for them to quit being an establishment R party shill and go back to focusing exclusively on gun safety and training. And that simply won't happen without more -not- stereotypically republican gun owners. Also hilarious how you folks are talking about arming yourselves against the government when in past threads generally you blather on about how the 2nd amendment is useless now because small arms won't help you against the US army's tanks or bombs or whatever. And let's not forget you'll have to lie on the background check on the part about being involved in advocating the violent overthrow of the US government, or straw purchase to avoid the check, so lol on that too. Parts Kit fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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That Same Dude in Some Jail Somewhere posted:My friends, I must say to you that we have not made a single gain in civil rights without determined legal and nonviolent pressure. Lamentably, it is an historical fact that privileged groups seldom give up their privileges voluntarily. Individuals may see the moral light and voluntarily give up their unjust posture; but, as Reinhold Niebuhr has reminded us, groups tend to be more immoral than individuals. People be arguing in these threads that it wasn't the right time to press for civil rights because white people only care about things that directly benefit them. They're also arguing that no effort was made by Hillary's campaign to address white people economic issues because that same campaign also said stuff about people that aren't straight white dudes. When you point this out they say 'but it wasn't a good enough effort' and 'but no one was going to believe her', which are both true, but the logical conclusion to that is not 'so let's drop our social justice stances until the time is better and anyone not a straight white dude should just sit down and be quiet now'. They've also tried to use Dr. King as a bludgeon against minorities, which is a thing that white people of all political stripes really love to do and just can't seem to stop doing, but quoting the less-popular-with-white-people parts of what King said makes them all uncomfortable. kartikeya fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 00:59
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Casimir Radon posted:His "mandate" is complicated by his not winning the popular vote. That doesn't matter. That's just an excuse to do poo poo you want to do anyway. If they can get 50 votes for it, they'll do it.
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Nov 11, 2016 00:59
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Lightning Knight posted:No, we cannot have both things. Yeah yeah sure but we already tried that tho Me personally I'm more than ready to take the risk with a true leftist. The age of neoliberalism is over. It didn't do poo poo economically for the black community. Move aside and left the new left take over the DNC.
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Parts Kit posted:Squirm? They'd probably orgasm to death. I think most people are arming themselves against the bigots and not the cops. But obviously I'm not one of them.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:00
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25... 25 US States are completely controlled by the GOP with the control of the federal government also fully in the GOP's power. Still, conservatives will cry that they're oppressed.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:02
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Lightning Knight posted:No, we cannot have both things. that is complete and utter bullshit. you can absolutely have both, and what on earth makes you think that bernie didn't want both too? barrack obama didn't have record breaking election results on the back of pluralism and social justice. he did it by promising people economic change, rooting out corruption, and ending the wars. these are all planks that hillary clinton, rightly or wrongly, had no credibility with. i want economic change. i also want pluralism and social justice. economic change as a priority will help both those things by giving oppressed people the resources to help fight for themselves and it will also get the people who support pluralism and social justice elected. we're not going to make inroads and election gains by doubling down on a policy that just alienated millions of voters. we need to keep it, but we also need other things.
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Boon posted:25... 25 US States are completely controlled by the GOP with the control of the federal government also fully in the GOP's power. Still not enough for a constitutional convention.
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Sharkopath posted:Before I started reading these threads to make sense of the election I felt I was pretty respectful of the left wing because I was thinking naively that they had our general best interests at heart and didn't understand the distrust of white progressives I seen from other people in my life, but now that's really starting to plummet. Being a progressive for non marginalized people becomes problematic to them when they realize that those that part of getting what you want is INVOLVES hard poo poo like protests and violence and armed self defense its suddenly placation and pleas of 'rationality' when they are faced against racists that are one bad mood away hurting them physically.
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Lightning Knight posted:Lmao dude we all lost. There won't be enough of the country left to put back together. That's what white people voted for. Get a loving hold of yourself. A century and a half ago we almost tore ourselves apart to halt southern whites from owning slaves (and yes, we failed those freed slaves after Reconstruction). This is bad, but we're not anywhere close to unsalvageable. If you truly think so then just delete your account and enjoy your last few years. I'm gonna loving fight because I want my nephew (and maybe one day my own kids) to live in a country that doesn't poo poo on PoC or keep them in the closet because the Bible thumpers think LGBT people are sub-human. EDIT: Like gently caress this nihilism. People of color dealt (and STILL deal) with worse poo poo and still they fought on but Hillary and the DNC gently caress up an election and all the white posters just want to take their ball and go cry. BadOptics fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nevvy Z posted:That doesn't matter. That's just an excuse to do poo poo you want to do anyway. If they can get 50 votes for it, they'll do it.
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Scent of Worf posted:Yeah yeah sure but we already tried that tho I'm not a neoliberal. I voted for Bernie. I don't think leftism would end as well as you hope it would. The last time this country undertook massive economic stimulus and assistance to the working class we shut out black people entirely. White progressives cannot be trusted.
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Lightning Knight posted:Like literally a vast majority of the country lives in urban areas. so you're saying the system works
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RaySmuckles posted:we're not going to make inroads and election gains by doubling down on a policy that just alienated millions of voters. we need to keep it, but we also need other things. Which policy? It's that one where we were discussing shutting down coal plants for better energy sources, wasn't it? The one that looked to reduce climate change while spurring the future energy economy? That's the one you disagree with isn't it?
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Lightning Knight posted:I'm not a neoliberal. I voted for Bernie. They're convinced all the black posters have to be hillary boosting neolibs because why else would we have problems with them explaining why its time to move on and forget about the issues that affect us and start only caring about ~everybody~.
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:By doing the things that improve the lives of both communites obviously. A new labor movement that has to include minorities this time. The number of people onboard should drwarf the people who would gently caress themselves just to make somebody elses life worse.  Oh, aren't you just adorably naive?PerniciousKnid posted:Is anyone familiar with Progressive Democrats of America or similar groups that would be good places to get involved in electing Neo Bernie in four years? If you want Neo Bernie, step one is to never, ever say the words "in four years" ever again. Elections happen every two years. Deified Data posted:The best part is minorities face the same problems white working class folks do so we don't actually have to choose one or the other. Some people disagree for some reason. Actually they face all those problems a lot harder and also have a lot of unique problems that affect them and not white people.
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kartikeya posted:People who think taking attention off of white dude problems for one single minute equals being ignored and abandoned are all over D&D and it's pretty loving embarrassing. hi, just popping in to say that all the good d&d posters were banned five or so years ago
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Even Glenn Beck is for BLM now. Don't be so quick to turn your back on them. edit: I'm stupid and got my tabs mixed up, thought that posts was near page 118 and not 65. Sorry for replying to something that is ancient. Beck is a crazy attention whore with a large history of regressive behavior. He only flipped because it looked like a complete blow out for his side, now that it's not he'll go back to the standard regressive bullet points. PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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So something just hit me... probably a few Is the GOP just fine with Trump's proposal of plans and poo poo that will directly affect him and his businesses? Has there ever been such a big conflict of interest between a President and an entire industry (such as hotels)? e: I think my questions could be answered with the blanket statement of "the gop if fine with whatever dumb bullshit they wanna do as long as they make money"
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haveblue posted:A bunch of jobs are created to build the wall, then the political winds change and a bunch of jobs are created to tear it down. Somewhere, Keynes laughs. One Republican superstar makes a career taring down one wall, another makes his career erecting one. Makes sense.
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Lightning Knight posted:No, we cannot have both things. If you believe that we can't do both, then it's basically over and we can pack the party up right now, and America with it. The platform did include economics, but the Clinton campaign hardly mentioned it at all after a certain point in the campaign, which probably did not help turnout. After a certain point the campaign became all about how bad Trump is. And he was bad - racist and sexist and intolerant to religious minorities and to LGBT people. Simply pointing that out in a normal cycle would have worked, but for Trump it didn't, and there was so much bad to point out that the Clinton campaign stopped talking about what it wanted to do to actually help people, I think. We do need both. Both because it's the best way to rescue the Obama-era coalition, and because both things are also the right thing to do.
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Spaced God posted:So something just hit me... probably a few There are no federal laws against the executive being involved with private business. Nothing lmao. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-business-idUSKBN1352GR
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Lightning Knight posted:I'm not a neoliberal. I voted for Bernie. I don't trust a lot of these white liberals who have cushy jobs, live in super white areas of the city and whose friends are almost all white. A lot of them were the ones pushing Hillary and attacking Bernie. A lot of them are the ones who are telling people to shut up and get back on the plantation instead of protesting about trump. Yeah you're right we could get left behind, but that already happened with globalism. Black wages have been stagnant for a long time.
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Fraction Jackson posted:If you believe that we can't do both, then it's basically over and we can pack the party up right now, and America with it. Yeah, pretty much.
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The people posting "hurr the platform needs to shift this way or that way" need to remember that GOP turnout was normal this year. Trump, Romney, doesn't matter. There's a fixed number of R votes. Literally all that's needed -- swing the details of the platform however you want, but all that's needed -- is a candidate free from the appearance of scandal. Electoral college majority comes back. So long as we support advancement (by 2020, reinstatement) of human rights, we can take anything from Populism Lite to full  and we will sweep.I have personal opinions on where on that sliding scale we need to go (hint, I have canvassed for Bernie since the 90s), but it's not like we just watched the country explode in support for neonazi positions and public behavior. We hosed up and let the swastika out of the cage for the next four years. It's always been there, it hadn't grown in size, and if 18-25 voter stats say anything holy poo poo it has no future.
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Lightning Knight posted:No, we cannot have both things. You realize a lot of white people voted for Hillary right Like, not most of them, but there's room for improvement among that demographic that doesn't involve "gently caress ALL MINORITIES FOREVER"
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Has this been discussed? https://twitter.com/GovHowardDean/status/796838538641833990 I'm for it.
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Deified Data posted:I encourage every black person in America to buy a gun if only to see the NRA squirm over how to respond to it. I am part of a program that promotes shooting sports in Atlanta for all ages and colors. Would you like to know more 
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Potato Salad posted:The people posting "hurr the platform needs to shift this way or that way" need to remember that GOP turnout was normal this year. https://twitter.com/nate_cohn/status/796789043040239616 https://twitter.com/nate_cohn/status/796789450537861120 https://twitter.com/nate_cohn/status/796846348045848576
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Potato Salad posted:I am part of a program that promotes shooting sports in Atlanta for all ages and colors. Would you like to know more Yeah. What if someone wanted to use a picture of a scary dog as a target?
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disjoe posted:You realize a lot of white people voted for Hillary right Everyone who doesn't want to gently caress all minorities forever already voted for Clinton. So no, not really.
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Trabisnikof posted:I think most people are arming themselves against the bigots and not the cops. But obviously I'm not one of them.
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Main Paineframe posted:Actually they face all those problems a lot harder and also have a lot of unique problems that affect them and not white people. Which is why I said "minorities face the same issues as whites" and not "whites face the same issues as minorities", I said exactly what I meant. Potato Salad posted:I am part of a program that promotes shooting sports in Atlanta for all ages and colors. Would you like to know more Yes, that sounds like fun.
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Deified Data posted:I encourage every black person in America to buy a gun if only to see the NRA squirm over how to respond to it. But no poo poo, visible minorities have been buying guns like crazy here. It has actually made me, a white male, feel safer.
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theflyingorc posted:Has this been discussed? Dean came out strongly against Bernie in the primaries. I think we need someone younger.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Dean came out strongly against Bernie in the primaries. I think we need someone younger. I don't even think that's the worst thing about Dean. In fact it's understandable he has a rivalry with a fellow Vermonter, but his lobbying efforts are shameful.
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zh1 posted:hi, just popping in to say that all the good d&d posters were banned five or so years ago Oh, I'm not embarrassed for this dumb forum, I'm embarrassed because these are people claiming to be progressives while running hard for the perceived safety of 'let's only care about white dudes'. A lot of them are fellow Bernie supporters.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Dean came out strongly against Bernie in the primaries. I think we need someone younger. He's younger than Bernie. Dammit I wish Sanders wasn't so old. 
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Who What Now posted:Everyone who doesn't want to gently caress all minorities forever already voted for Clinton. So no, not really. I just don't agree with that. Okay look let's take Ken Bone for instance. Remember why he was undecided? Blah blah need a job blah blah want to protect minorities? I don't know how he voted, but under your rubric he is absolutely irredeemable if he voted for Trump, and possibly even still if he voted for Clinton. No outreach A smart Democratic politician with the right ideas could explain to him how we can make sure he has a support system and a path to a good job and at the same time let him sleep at night because his vote helped defend minority rights. This is not zero sum.
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