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If you want something CONCRETE to do right this second, right now contact your Democratic representative and plead with them to back Bernie Sander's pick for DNC chair, Keith Ellison. Here's my letter to Chuck Schumer, which I hope at least one of his people reads: "Dear Mr. Schumer, First I'd like to say that I've been a Democratic supporter my entire adult life. I donated for both Obama and Clinton, and voted for her over Bernie Sanders in the NY primary. I voted for you in this election, and until Tuesday night, considered myself a firm supporter of the 3rd Way centralism. I mention this only to show that I realize the seriousness of situation and what must be done. Please please please do the right thing and back Bernie Sander's pick, Keith Ellison, for the DNC chairman, and let Bernie's movement lead the party. The credibility of the establishment Democrats has been destroyed utterly. I have called into question my own judgement for not seeing the populist movement that is reshaping America. There is only one way forward, and one person who can lead it. If we re-unite and fight together under a common banner we can re-take our country in 2020. I absolutely believe this. But if we, Democrats, have a civil war between the progressive and centralist wing it will be the end of liberalism of all stripe. I implore you. Please do the right thing. There is no going back to the old ways."
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Cyron posted:one of the threads in C-spam is already scaring me, people are talking about buying guns and saying trump will commit genocide. someone is also going insane. i think the dems are already preparing for their grave. Guns and gun control are both awesome. Gonna pick up some legal, California-certified firearms myself.
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mrmcd posted:I mean as long as super-delegates remain a thing, winning the Democratic primary is gonna be partly convincing voters, and partly convincing party officials. Obama understood that in 2008 and beat Hillary at that game. Hillary beat Sanders at it in 2016. Beyond that, holy poo poo people heavily involved in party politics have favorite candidates and talk poo poo on email?? Donna Brazile leaked the topics of the Town Hall debate, and they made her interim chair.
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Zikan posted:oh god damnit sanders bugging the voting members will still help
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Thundercracker posted:If you want something CONCRETE to do right this second, right now contact your Democratic representative and plead with them to back Bernie Sander's pick for DNC chair, Keith Ellison. I appreciate the sentiment, but Chuck Schumer is the literal epicenter of the cancer in the Democratic party. He'll probably print out your letter on some fine resume grade paper and wipe his rear end with it.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Donna Brazile leaked the topics of the Town Hall debate, and they made her interim chair. pay for plaaaaaaaaaaaay.
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Thundercracker posted:If you want something CONCRETE to do right this second, right now contact your Democratic representative and plead with them to back Bernie Sander's pick for DNC chair, Keith Ellison. see, funny thing about this is that it's a vote of the dnc committee which does include schumer but doesn't include all elected democratic representative. it's this weird combination of like 12 groups i'm making a spread sheet because there no way the average person will find and and by god is it going slowly
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Optimus Subprime posted:Clinton had no ground game in the places where it mattered. She left the Wisconsin and Florida senate races out to dry. Where did all of the money go? The greater Podesta clan and their courtiers
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Atrocious Joe posted:tbf the problem completely went away after some Priztkers donated a bit of cash They also had to evacuate a neighborhood in East Chicago because the dang dirt was too poisoned by industrial runoff. After the revelations came out that the North Dakota government was suppressing hundreds of oil industry spillages from the public, the DNC should have came out unequivocally on the side of the Standing Rock Sioux. Hmm, I wonder why they didn't...
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Zikan posted:see, funny thing about this is that it's a vote of the dnc committee which does include schumer but doesn't include all elected democratic representative. it's this weird combination of like 12 groups Thanks for this, we appreciate your effort.
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Cyron posted:dude i have a mental disability too and i am scared, please don't just sit in your filth waiting for the death wragon. this sucks but we can make though this. if you are talking about Our Long National Nightmare 2016-?: Zack rips the DNC a new rear end in a top hat thread it's ironic nihilism, don't read too much into it, its part of a subculture of posters who have been posting in here for a year In fact you might want to decompress for a while, go walk. Play a game, treat yourself to something (yesterday I went and got a strawberry banana milkshake and I don't do that), go read a book. Go outside. Turn off the TV, turn off this forum. If it's not that thread, then you need to tell me what thread it is to make sure that there isn't plotting for violence, thank you.
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Zikan posted:see, funny thing about this is that it's a vote of the dnc committee which does include schumer but doesn't include all elected democratic representative. it's this weird combination of like 12 groups you're doing good things thank u
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Thundercracker posted:If you want something CONCRETE to do right this second, right now contact your Democratic representative and plead with them to back Bernie Sander's pick for DNC chair, Keith Ellison. Also sign this: https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/keith-ellison-dnc
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Zikan posted:see, funny thing about this is that it's a vote of the dnc committee which does include schumer but doesn't include all elected democratic representative. it's this weird combination of like 12 groups Yeah, just seconding Vox Nihili in thanking you for this.
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MJ12 posted:Yeah, just seconding Vox Nihili in thanking you for this. Thirded, and I'll share it with others.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:They also had to evacuate a neighborhood in East Chicago because the dang dirt was too poisoned by industrial runoff. Omg I didn't know that about East Chicago That place is pretty much governed by an oligarchy of casino and steel interests
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:They also had to evacuate a neighborhood in East Chicago because the dang dirt was too poisoned by industrial runoff. Uhh don't you know white working class voters love poisoned soil and leaded drinking water?? You don't want to look like you're anti jobs to working class voters!!!
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C-Euro posted:I agree, but I also think that part of the reason it's an issue is that anyone who can get out of the Midwest has been doing so the last several years (or concentrating in Midwest urban centers like Chicago). My brother, sister and I are all 25-30 years old, grew up in Michigan (SE even, which has more going for it than a lot of the Midwest by comparison), went to school in the state, and my sister and I did grad school in the Midwest and had jobs in that part of the country for a while. Within the last year and a half all three us have moved to either the East or West Coasts. The problem with that is it concentrates the rural vote down ever further until all thats left are no hopers who can't escape and have to deal with being the one demographic in America it's ok to make fun of. Then those people vote for literally anyone who says they can help, or, failing that anyone who says they will make everyone else suffer. Thats how state governments fall, and how President Elect Donald 'loving' Trump wins the presidency. And then city dwelling elites carry on making fun of them and screaming at them for being useless hicks while they keep dying of alcoholism and opioids and the cycle resets. But the thing is if you can't find it in your (nonspecific, generalized you, not C-Euro) heart to empathize with those people and hate them too much to ever try and appeal to them, you really don't even need them because there's a large enough base of out there to deliver those states to a black man twice. You could try talking to those people and maybe someday work your way up to caring about people you disagree with.
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oh man i completly checked out these last couple weeks of this election, did hillary really say loving nothing on north dakota
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mrmcd posted:Uhh don't you know white working class voters love poisoned soil and leaded drinking water?? You don't want to look like you're anti jobs to working class voters!!! It was a black neighborhood too, lmao lmao lmao 
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Raskolnikov38 posted:oh man i completly checked out these last couple weeks of this election, did hillary really say loving nothing on north dakota she didn't say anything about loving anything except how bad donald trump is
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Raskolnikov38 posted:oh man i completly checked out these last couple weeks of this election, did hillary really say loving nothing on north dakota http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/10/28/what-crock-clinton-breaks-dapl-silence-statement-says-literally-nothing quote:The statement from director of coalitions press Xochitl Hinojosa, who oversees Hispanic, black, and women's media for the Clinton campaign, reads in full: "all voices should be heard" the spokesperson released very little during the campaign and was possibly chosen because her name sounds indigenous
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Optimus Subprime posted:I appreciate the sentiment, but Chuck Schumer is the literal epicenter of the cancer in the Democratic party. He'll probably print out your letter on some fine resume grade paper and wipe his rear end with it. Yeah. You're absolutely right. I actually voted for the Republican that was running against him because she was a no-name that had 0 chance of winning, and I really loving hate Chuck Schumer (yeah, I lied in the letter. What can I say). But maybe in that black little heart of his his turgid blood will move an inch.
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Hello. The Democratic Party has been circling the drain and dying for a long time. But most of us were all just too busy stuffing our heads up our asses and huffing our own farts to realize it. W hosed up, poo poo was a mess and Democrats were able to take back the House and Senate in 2006. In 2008 Obama DOMINATED. Democrats secured their hold on the Senate and made gains in the House but we, unfortunately, did not get the filibuster proof majority we needed in the House for various reasons. This looks good. This is super good and promising for the Democrats but we have to look beyond the surface because while we were making gains on the federal level we were losing ground locally and losing hard. We lost governors. We lost many various other seats in local governments. Republican-friendly local legislators built an environment beneficial to Republicans while we rested on our laurels. We should have rallied behind Obama and pushed lefter. But we got complacent meanwhile the Republicans had their own movement. They let their rage and displeasure with the election manifest behind the Tea Party movement. They rallied a disheartened and devastated base behind the cause of a more right-leaning party. The Republicans looked at a popular rejection of right wing conservatism and not only did they not balk but they said, "gently caress it, let's go righter!" Local governments controlled by conservatives passed extensive Voter ID laws and gerrymandered loving everything. And federally Republicans did everything they could to just endlessly obstruct and block loving everything. They refused to work with Obama and they refused to compromise and find common ground. Compare to now where Elizabeth Warren (I used to adore her, now I'm losing so much respect for her) and many others are saying they're willing to work with President Trump. Like, I know we've been crushed out of every branch of government and we do not have the power Republicans had when they were kind of in our position but even when we had them on the ropes we still opted to be the better person, respect them, and tried to play nice and all that got us is progressively more marginalized. The Republicans did not reciprocate, they spat in our loving faces. Now we are a toothless minority of a minority and we most likely can't do poo poo but Jesus loving christ gently caress us. Mercy and kindness really is weakness. Anyway, in 2010 Republicans rallied around their Tea Party movement, bolstered by new, young, fresh and more conservative blood and aided by the gerrymandering, voter suppression, and naturally low Democratic turn out Tea Party candidates dominated and Democrats failed to get the numbers they needed to hold the line. We lost the House and were just barely clinging to the Senate. And we lost more locally. It was the census year, lines were redrawn and gerrymandering reigned supreme. The new Republican House majority continued to obstruct and block loving everything. We couldn't do poo poo. In 2012 we lost the Senate and we lost more locally and unlike Democrats, who finally accepted W's Supreme Court Nominee after a bit of bullshit. The Republicans just completely blocked Obama's Supreme Court Nominees for loving ever. Sure we got one through (I think) but we're not getting the other one. Especially not now that they know they won the election and can get a SCJ they like. So yeah, we got played. We played nice and tried to be fair and decent. The belief and understanding was that if we treated them with respect they would return the favor. They did not, so while we were being the Nice Guy Republicans plotted against us, spat in our faces, and stabbed us in the back. We got hosed. It got this way because hardly anybody, especially Democrats, gives a poo poo about local elections. They don't bother to show up and vote but Republicans do. Because of voter apathy in the local scene we got pushed out and Republicans got to set the rules. And because we didn't show up enough in mid term elections they got the House and the Senate back. And because not enough of us got out to vote in the general election Trump won and they held and gained ground in the Senate. So, if we're going to come back from this we gotta do what the Republicans did in 2008. We gotta start a movement. We have to create our own version of the Tea Party and we've got to rally behind it. We've got to mobilize and vote in huge numbers in EVERY election. We have to vote Democrats into local positions and if there are no Democrats running for local positions people among us have to become candidates themselves and run in local elections. And we have to win. We have to get out in enough numbers and climb out of this pit and we have to win. But now the voters are so apathetic and suppressed and the districts are so gerrymandered that it is going to be a huge loving uphill climb. And we probably have to find a way to appeal to and win back working and middle class whites. And good loving luck getting Democrats to get out and vote and loving care. Even now, in the height of our despair, the 49% of people who did not vote are just loving shrugging their shoulders and god loving drat it gently caress us. It was a nice ride everyone. RIP. Jenner has issued a correction as of 04:09 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Lastgirl posted:if you are talking about Our Long National Nightmare 2016-?: Zack rips the DNC a new rear end in a top hat thread Nite crew culture is pretty terrible and will inevitably metastasize into the cancer that kills this subforum. The one downside to the HillShill Toxx Amnesty is that it didn't permanently remove them. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Atrocious Joe posted:
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Not a Step posted:Nite crew culture is pretty terrible and will inevitably metastasize into the cancer that kills this subforum. The one downside to the HillShill Toxx Amnesty is that it didn't permanently remove them. Hey woah counterpoint: nite crew is p cool
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C-Euro posted:I agree, but I also think that part of the reason it's an issue is that anyone who can get out of the Midwest has been doing so the last several years (or concentrating in Midwest urban centers like Chicago). I think this is a core assumption of a lot of people on the coasts but I really don't think it holds up. For a lot of people getting out is a priority. But also for a lot of people, including educated ones, there is a desire to stay in the middle of the country. And even the shitiest, redest states like Kansas have towns like Lawrence that are very progressive and cosmopolitan. And if somebody wants a huge city places like Minneapolis and Kansas City provide that at a fraction of the cost of living of the big cities on the coast. Accepting that not everybody wants to live in New York or LA is one of the things the Democrats are going to have to do if they want to come back.
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Not a Step posted:Nite crew culture is pretty terrible and will inevitably metastasize into the cancer that kills this subforum. The one downside to the HillShill Toxx Amnesty is that it didn't permanently remove them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glAeyRcWyso Go poo poo in a hat. 
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Higgy posted:Hey woah Nite crew culture is pretty terrible and will inevitably metastasize into the cancer that kills this subforum. The one downside to the HillShill Toxx Amnesty is that it didn't permanently remove them.
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Not a Step posted:Nite crew culture is pretty terrible and will inevitably metastasize into the cancer that kills this subforum. The one downside to the HillShill Toxx Amnesty is that it didn't permanently remove them. being disgusted by cultures you don't understand appears to be a theme.. cant quite put my finger on it
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The lesson here is that a good ground game is having people on the grassroots level promoting your policies and inspiring people to vote while making sure they feel heard. A good ground game is NOT sending a bunch of tshirts with your logo on them to a bunch of people who stand around in public together and suck their own dicks about how good this ground game is within earshot of people already committed to voting for you. Also, your platform should be issues your constituency cares about and not what amounts to an 18-month tour to announce a four-year Lilith Fair residency at the White House.
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Thundercracker posted:If you want something CONCRETE to do right this second, right now contact your Democratic representative and plead with them to back Bernie Sander's pick for DNC chair, Keith Ellison. I believe you had a link on your post to sign a petition? Anyway, I signed it.
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Al! posted:Nite crew culture is pretty terrible and will inevitably metastasize into the cancer that kills this subforum. The one downside to the HillShill Toxx Amnesty is that it didn't permanently remove them. Hey...woah.. Counterpoint: Nite crew culture is pretty terrible and will inevitably metastasize into the cancer that kills this subforum. The one downside to the HillShill Toxx Amnesty is that it didn't permanently remove them.
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Not a Step posted:The problem with that is it concentrates the rural vote down ever further until all thats left are no hopers who can't escape and have to deal with being the one demographic in America it's ok to make fun of. Then those people vote for literally anyone who says they can help, or, failing that anyone who says they will make everyone else suffer. Thats how state governments fall, and how President Elect Donald 'loving' Trump wins the presidency. I get that. And while I know that last bit isn't directed at me I do empathize with people like that, at least the ones I know. My maternal grandfather ran a road construction business that my dad worked until the recession took his job in '07, and I have a few cousins back home in the Midwest (and one in Florida) who are still in that trade. They all voted Trump and I absolutely do not blame them for voting for the guy that said "let's put a bunch of money into infrastructure!" (and hell, that's the one part of Trump's platform I can get behind). I'm sure there are plenty of Dem politicians who care about people like my dad & cousins too, but there wasn't enough of it and what was there wasn't as apparent.
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Higgy posted:Hey...woah.. hmmm did u consider Counterpoint: (((Nite crew culture))) is pretty terrible and will inevitably metastasize into the cancer that kills this (((subforum))). The one downside to the (((HillShill Toxx))) Amnesty is that it didn't permanently remove them.
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