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Oh Snapple!: Dec 27, 2005

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But in general, Bill Clinton�s viewpoint of fighting for the working class white voters was often dismissed with a hand wave by senior members of the team as a personal vendetta to win back the voters who elected him, from a talented but aging politician who simply refused to accept the new Democratic map.

Holy poo poo I can't get enough of this line.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:42

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# ? May 10, 2024 04:59

izagoof: Feb 14, 2004; Grimey Drawer

Cept I forgot that like every other photo of her is her jamming around on her prosthetics :shrug:

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:43

Rand alPaul: Feb 3, 2010; by Nyc_Tattoo

Oh Snapple! posted:

Yeah Booker should not be surprising. As a last dying gasp of the neoliberal wing he's pretty much perfect - all of Hillary's love of capital, but with something resembling charisma.

My brother had no idea he was neoliberal until today. Booker is really good at hiding it from a lot of Democrats.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:43

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

Oh Snapple! posted:

Holy poo poo I can't get enough of this line.

Amazing. Absolutely amazing.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:45

Hilario Baldness: Feb 10, 2005; Grimey Drawer

They made a lot of Democrats up for reelection (aside from Hillary) carry Obama's jock and speak of the economic recovery that is his legacy, when the trouble is the people in those districts haven't seen any improvement of their living condition. Hint: this is why a lot of people voted for Trump.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:45

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

Red Flag should have been that the GOP got off scott free from the first shut-down lol

the electorate didn't punish them at all.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:47

Deimus: Aug 17, 2012

The New Deal was a called exactly that because it was a 'deal' between militant unions, the massive communist and socialist parties who helped organize them and the rich. FDR wouldn't have had the political capital to do any of it without extreme left agitation. Yet liberals take credit for the New Deal like it wasn't fought over.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:47

Princess Di: Apr 23, 2016; by zen death robot

Jenner posted:

Hello.
The Democratic Party has been circling the drain and dying for a long time. But most of us were all just too busy stuffing our heads up our asses and huffing our own farts to realize it.

W hosed up, poo poo was a mess and Democrats were able to take back the House and Senate in 2006.

In 2008 Obama DOMINATED. Democrats secured their hold on the Senate and made gains in the House but we, unfortunately, did not get the filibuster proof majority we needed in the House for various reasons.

This looks good. This is super good and promising for the Democrats but we have to look beyond the surface because while we were making gains on the federal level we were losing ground locally and losing hard.

We lost governors. We lost many various other seats in local governments. Republican-friendly local legislators built an environment beneficial to Republicans while we rested on our laurels.

We should have rallied behind Obama and pushed lefter. But we got complacent meanwhile the Republicans had their own movement. They let their rage and displeasure with the election manifest behind the Tea Party movement. They rallied a disheartened and devastated base behind the cause of a more right-leaning party. The Republicans looked at a popular rejection of right wing conservatism and not only did they not balk but they said, "gently caress it, let's go righter!"

Local governments controlled by conservatives passed extensive Voter ID laws and gerrymandered loving everything. And federally Republicans did everything they could to just endlessly obstruct and block loving everything. They refused to work with Obama and they refused to compromise and find common ground.

Compare to now where Elizabeth Warren (I used to adore her, now I'm losing so much respect for her) and many others are saying they're willing to work with President Trump. Like, I know we've been crushed out of every branch of government and we do not have the power Republicans had when they were kind of in our position but even when we had them on the ropes we still opted to be the better person, respect them, and tried to play nice and all that got us is progressively more marginalized. The Republicans did not reciprocate, they spat in our loving faces. Now we are a toothless minority of a minority and we most likely can't do poo poo but Jesus loving christ gently caress us.

Mercy and kindness really is weakness.

Anyway, in 2010 Republicans rallied around their Tea Party movement, bolstered by new, young, fresh and more conservative blood and aided by the gerrymandering, voter suppression, and naturally low Democratic turn out Tea Party candidates dominated and Democrats failed to get the numbers they needed to hold the line. We lost the House and were just barely clinging to the Senate. And we lost more locally. It was the census year, lines were redrawn and gerrymandering reigned supreme.

The new Republican House majority continued to obstruct and block loving everything. We couldn't do poo poo.

In 2012 we lost the Senate and we lost more locally and unlike Democrats, who finally accepted W's Supreme Court Nominee after a bit of bullshit. The Republicans just completely blocked Obama's Supreme Court Nominees for loving ever. Sure we got one through (I think) but we're not getting the other one. Especially not now that they know they won the election and can get a SCJ they like.

So yeah, we got played. We played nice and tried to be fair and decent. The belief and understanding was that if we treated them with respect they would return the favor. They did not, so while we were being the Nice Guy Republicans plotted against us, spat in our faces, and stabbed us in the back. We got hosed.

It got this way because hardly anybody, especially Democrats, gives a poo poo about local elections. They don't bother to show up and vote but Republicans do. Because of voter apathy in the local scene we got pushed out and Republicans got to set the rules.

And because we didn't show up enough in mid term elections they got the House and the Senate back.

And because not enough of us got out to vote in the general election Trump won and they held and gained ground in the Senate.

So, if we're going to come back from this we gotta do what the Republicans did in 2008. We gotta start a movement. We have to create our own version of the Tea Party and we've got to rally behind it.

We've got to mobilize and vote in huge numbers in EVERY election. We have to vote Democrats into local positions and if there are no Democrats running for local positions people among us have to become candidates themselves and run in local elections.

And we have to win. We have to get out in enough numbers and climb out of this pit and we have to win. But now the voters are so apathetic and suppressed and the districts are so gerrymandered that it is going to be a huge loving uphill climb.

And we probably have to find a way to appeal to and win back working and middle class whites.

And good loving luck getting Democrats to get out and vote and loving care. Even now, in the height of our despair, the 49% of people who did not vote are just loving shrugging their shoulders and god loving drat it gently caress us.

It was a nice ride everyone.
RIP.

This was genuinely inspiring to me and strikes a chord deep within my soul.

I will keep fighting friend.

I will keep fighting.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:48

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

oh my loving god the dnc website's link to the new mexico party takes you to this

the dnc is too lazy or incompentent to link to the real site http://www.dpnm.net/

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:49

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

Deimus posted:

The New Deal was a called exactly that because it was a 'deal' between militant unions, the massive communist and socialist parties who helped organize them and the rich. FDR wouldn't have had the political capital to do any of it without extreme left agitation. Yet liberals take credit for the New Deal like it wasn't fought over.

i dont care if this is apocryphal or not time to join a socialist party

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:49

Lawman 0: Aug 17, 2010

Oh Snapple! posted:

Holy poo poo I can't get enough of this line.

We deserved this.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:51

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Oh Snapple! posted:

Holy poo poo I can't get enough of this line.

In fairness, it's easy to misinterpret what Clinton means. Clinton won a lot of states like Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, and West Virginia that are basically never going to vote Democratic, or at least not until the two parties change beyond recognition again. Meanwhile, he never won NC or VA and only barely won CO in 1992 while losing it in 1996, and those states are all hailed as the future of the Democratic Party (NC maybe not so much, now). I could see the case that Clinton could be called out of touch with the new Democratic Party...but he was absolutely right that the Upper Midwest cannot be won without a strong appeal to very disaffected voters whom his wife ignored.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:50

Princess Di: Apr 23, 2016; by zen death robot

Deimus posted:

The New Deal was a called exactly that because it was a 'deal' between militant unions, the massive communist and socialist parties who helped organize them and the rich. FDR wouldn't have had the political capital to do any of it without extreme left agitation. Yet liberals take credit for the New Deal like it wasn't fought over.

Sign me up for extreme left agitation now.

Full communism now. Death means nothing to me.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:50

Matt Zerella: Oct 7, 2002; Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Lastgirl posted:

and then they will call Bernie... the Real Deal

Its oddly comforting to communicate in Bernmojis again.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:54

Hilario Baldness: Feb 10, 2005; Grimey Drawer

Deimus posted:

The New Deal was a called exactly that because it was a 'deal' between militant unions, the massive communist and socialist parties who helped organize them and the rich. FDR wouldn't have had the political capital to do any of it without extreme left agitation. Yet liberals take credit for the New Deal like it wasn't fought over.

This. FDR came from moneyed stock in New York, and he genuinely went back home and spoke to the wealthy oligarchs that were running the country and said, "Your best course right now is to make major economic concessions and give a great deal of your income to the people at the bottom because the CIO(Congress of Industrial Organizations), the socialists, and the communists want to take all of your money."

And then limousine liberals act like it was benevolently given as charity.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:55

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

LmaoTheKid posted:

Its oddly comforting to communicate in Bernmojis again.

jebuela's are turning into salt mines that throw shade at any analysis though.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:55

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

i heard this on a podcast and it really fits where this election outcome came from

democrats took trump literally but not seriously, republicans took trump seriously but not literally.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:56

Princess Di: Apr 23, 2016; by zen death robot

Typo posted:

OTOH if 2018 turns out to be another crisis year 2020 might see a democratic administration with some spine to pass public option

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:57

Rand alPaul: Feb 3, 2010; by Nyc_Tattoo

Zikan posted:

oh my loving god the dnc website's link to the new mexico party takes you to this

the dnc is too lazy or incompentent to link to the real site http://www.dpnm.net/

Purchase it and redirect it to a giant picture of Bernie Sanders.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 05:59

Princess Di: Apr 23, 2016; by zen death robot

Hilario Baldness posted:

This. FDR came from moneyed stock in New York, and he genuinely went back home and spoke to the wealthy oligarchs that were running the country and said, "Your best course right now is to make major economic concessions and give a great deal of your income to the people at the bottom because the CIO(Congress of Industrial Organizations), the socialists, and the communists want to take all of your money."

And then limousine liberals act like it was benevolently given as charity.

Interesting.

Very interesting.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:00

Rand alPaul: Feb 3, 2010; by Nyc_Tattoo

LmaoTheKid posted:

Its oddly comforting to communicate in Bernmojis again.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:00

Mo_Steel: Mar 7, 2008; Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together; Fun Shoe

bump_fn posted:

bernie just sent me an email about keith ellison for DNC chair so keep an eye out for that friends

https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/keith-ellison-dnc In case anyone missed it.

Thundercracker posted:

If you want something CONCRETE to do right this second, right now contact your Democratic representative and plead with them to back Bernie Sander's pick for DNC chair, Keith Ellison.
Here's my letter to Chuck Schumer, which I hope at least one of his people reads:

"Dear Mr. Schumer,

First I'd like to say that I've been a Democratic supporter my entire adult life. I donated for both Obama and Clinton, and voted for her over Bernie Sanders in the NY primary. I voted for you in this election, and until Tuesday night, considered myself a firm supporter of the 3rd Way centralism.

I mention this only to show that I realize the seriousness of situation and what must be done. Please please please do the right thing and back Bernie Sander's pick, Keith Ellison, for the DNC chairman, and let Bernie's movement lead the party. The credibility of the establishment Democrats has been destroyed utterly. I have called into question my own judgement for not seeing the populist movement that is reshaping America. There is only one way forward, and one person who can lead it.

If we re-unite and fight together under a common banner we can re-take our country in 2020. I absolutely believe this. But if we, Democrats, have a civil war between the progressive and centralist wing it will be the end of liberalism of all stripe.

I implore you. Please do the right thing. There is no going back to the old ways."

This is a smart idea as well, going to email Klobuchar and Franken tonight and see about calling tomorrow night.

Zikan posted:

okay so it's complicated.

the dnc is a committee that consists of the things i outlined in this post: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3797403&userid=50373#post466337725

some of the people make sense like the state democratic party chairperson and vice chairperson (if there are multiple vice chairpeople i've been goin with the one labeled 1st) but some of it random stuff like the National Democratic Municipal Officials Conference. lots of people i haven't been able to find contact info for. and 200 additional members that apprently hold no other office besides DNC member, which i have no idea how to find who or what their contact info is.

Might be worth contacting them to see if they'll send you a list? I can't imagine it's confidential.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:00

Hilario Baldness: Feb 10, 2005; Grimey Drawer

I guess if there's a beautiful symbol from this campaign, I'd point to a hilarious moment from Clinton's campaign. At one point she had a Facebook post saying something to the effect of, "Share this to be entered into a drawing where the winner gets to see Hamilton on Broadway with Hillary." An extravagant broadway play about Alexander Hamilton, a man who hated the "Great beast of the masses" and favored a system resembling monarchy over representative government. Watch that play alongside a member of the country's most influential political dynasty.

:irony:

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:02

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

Instant Sunrise posted:

i heard this on a podcast and it really fits where this election outcome came from

democrats took trump literally but not seriously, republicans took trump seriously but not literally.

Yeah, that's good.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:01

Fiction: Apr 28, 2011

Princess Di posted:

Interesting.

Very interesting.

Welcome, friend.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:04

Oh Snapple!: Dec 27, 2005

Hilario Baldness posted:

I guess if there's a beautiful symbol from this campaign, I'd point to a hilarious moment from Clinton's campaign. At one point she had a Facebook post saying something to the effect of, "Share this to be entered into a drawing where the winner gets to see Hamilton on Broadway with Hillary." An extravagant broadway play about Alexander Hamilton, a man who hated the "Great beast of the masses" and favored a system resembling monarchy over representative government. Watch that play alongside a member of the country's most influential political dynasty.

the dem love affair with hamilton is, generally, pretty amazing

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:05

Grand Theft Autobot: Feb 28, 2008; I'm something of a fucking idiot myself

Typo posted:

OTOH if 2018 turns out to be another crisis year 2020 might see a democratic administration with some spine to pass public option

gently caress ACA, gently caress public option, gently caress mandates, gently caress subsidies. That poo poo is completely bust. Full single payer is what we should go after, if the GOP mercifully kills ACA.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:05

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

Mo_Steel posted:

Might be worth contacting them to see if they'll send you a list? I can't imagine it's confidential.

I would have to call or mail them on monday, their only e-mail contact is one of those "submit comments" black holes

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:06

Matt Zerella: Oct 7, 2002; Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Nonsense posted:

jebuela's are turning into salt mines that throw shade at any analysis though.

Its absolute insanity in that thread right now aside from the cool and good night crew posters. Just repeated blaming of voters and salt.

Though that article lit a fire of good posts.

Ok, I'll stop meta posting and keep worrying about wall st.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:06

Lawman 0: Aug 17, 2010

Grand Theft Autobot posted:

gently caress ACA, gently caress public option, gently caress mandates, gently caress subsidies. That poo poo is completely bust. Full single payer is what we should go after, if the GOP mercifully kills ACA.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:06

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

I'm legit worried about instability overseas from our bad markets. Venezuela is probably in Trump's peripheral.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:08

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

Grand Theft Autobot posted:

gently caress ACA, gently caress public option, gently caress mandates, gently caress subsidies. That poo poo is completely bust. Full single payer is what we should go after, if the GOP mercifully kills ACA.

It's time agreed.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:07

Typo: Aug 19, 2009; Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Grand Theft Autobot posted:

gently caress ACA, gently caress public option, gently caress mandates, gently caress subsidies. That poo poo is completely bust. Full single payer is what we should go after, if the GOP mercifully kills ACA.

sure but this is the democratic party so let's not hope for too much

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:08

Lawman 0: Aug 17, 2010

Nonsense posted:

I'm legit worried about instability overseas from our bad markets. Venezuela is probably in Trump's peripheral.

How long does it take until we go to war with Venezuela because maduro calls Trump the devil?

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:10

Hilario Baldness: Feb 10, 2005; Grimey Drawer

Democratic Party Autopsy Thread: Et tu, Rust Belt?

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:09

Vox Nihili: May 28, 2008

Oh Snapple! posted:

Holy poo poo I can't get enough of this line.

who would have thought ol' bill was the one with some real sense?

actually, in retrospect, we all should have thought that. he was an experienced Democrat who won a governorship in Arkansas and beat an incumbent Republican president (albeit an unpopular one)

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:10

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

Typo posted:

sure but this is the democratic party so let's not hope for too much

this is literally the perfect time to push the DNC to change since they fuckin blew it so bad

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:10

Matt Zerella: Oct 7, 2002; Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Cool, Maddow burying her head in the sand and blaming Russia. Sweet.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:12

Oh Snapple!: Dec 27, 2005

LmaoTheKid posted:

Cool, Maddow burying her head in the sand and blaming Russia. Sweet.

I've genuinely lost so much respect for Maddow during this whole process.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:12

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Hilario Baldness: Feb 10, 2005; Grimey Drawer

When your two biggest surrogates (Bill, Obama) are people that have pushed politics that have made capital flight easier and have led to people lose manufacturing jobs and your message consists of, "We need to build on the economics that these two progressives have done," good luck rallying people to vote for you.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 06:14

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