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Rated PG-34 posted:A prominent voice means giving them a column on the front page for example. What the gently caress are you arguing for? Why the gently caress are you defending Nazis? Fojar38 posted:A) He won't eliminate the filibuster, he's already been backpedaling from his post-election hallucinogenic statements toying with the idea
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PKJC posted:Considering we're talking about a forum, no, we're not advocating killing anyone based on thoughtcrime. The killers of course should face justice because rule of law is more important, if less emotionally satisfying, than Nazi death.
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Nov 11, 2016 06:16
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kartikeya posted:Trump does not give a single poo poo about abortion either way, and has no reason to oppose it, especially since he's been espousing he would do just that. The people he's surrounding himself with do. Mike Pence not only wants to ban all abortion, period, he wants to force women to have funerals for their aborted or miscarried fetuses, and he literally pushed a bill that tried to do exactly that in his home state. The GOP Paulites would probably defect if a bill like that was submitted. Not all Republicans are literally Ted Cruz
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the black husserl posted:Honest question to the people talking about taking the country back. Republicans are really good at voter suppression. Now they will suppress votes and redistrict with the authority of the executive branch and the entire federal government. What makes you think democrats will win a significant amount of elections ever again? yeah man the last time the republicans held all 3 branches and had a conservative like scalia filling his spot on the supreme court they ruled for decades!
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Nov 11, 2016 06:17
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Rated PG-34 posted:What are we so scared of anyway? Take a loving guess at why someone might be scared of a literal nazi. I know this is difficult for you but please think long and hard at this abstract concept. Rated PG-34 posted:Suppose a nazi joins SA and posts in this thread. Yeah, and suppose this post is a reply to him.
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loving lol if you think republicans are going to be the rational party. They've been obstructionist far right shitheads for almost a decade now and they have the keys to power. They're not going to be infighting that much.
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well i mean there's a statistical chance you're about to knock on my door to offer me a quick blowie, too. but my penis is small, short sighted, and it will ultimately hurt you as much as it does me. Xae posted:They'll run proposing a series of MORE restrictions, or fighting to make it outright illegal. yeah, i agree this is what they'll do. they're already doing it and the dems have yet to stop them. kartikeya posted:Trump does not give a single poo poo about abortion either way, and has no reason to oppose it, especially since he's been espousing he would do just that. The people he's surrounding himself with do. Mike Pence not only wants to ban all abortion, period, he wants to force women to have funerals for their aborted or miscarried fetuses, and he literally pushed a bill that tried to do exactly that in his home state. national politics and state politics are very different. the people with money (wall street) don't want this poo poo and it won't happen.
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RaySmuckles posted:they're not going to do it. it would set a precedent that will ultimately come back to gently caress them over in the future. You really think that Mitch McConnell is strong enough to stand up to Trump and his entire rabid base who will primary him in 2 seconds if he refuses to kill it? The republicans have been doing NOTHING but destroying norms all across government for the last 25 years. It's as good as gone.
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Rated PG-34 posted:A prominent voice means giving them a column on the front page for example. I'm scared of literal Nazis. Like the ones that just helped our new president get elected. And internet Nazis can just get hosed.
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Nov 11, 2016 06:19
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the black husserl posted:Honest question to the people talking about taking the country back. Republicans are really good at voter suppression. Now they will suppress votes and redistrict with the authority of the executive branch and the entire federal government. What makes you think democrats will win a significant amount of elections ever again? It's all about turnout. Voter suppression nudges extremely close races to a certain outcome but it isn't a magic "win all elections forever" card
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Nov 11, 2016 06:19
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mcmagic posted:You really think that Mitch McConnell is strong enough to stand up to Trump and his entire rabid base who will primary him in 2 seconds if he refuses to kill it? The republicans have been doing NOTHING but destroying norms all across government for the last 25 years. It's as good as gone. Trump's base can't primary McConnell
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MickeyFinn posted:Trump is a vocal racist, sexual assault braggadocio, war crime advocator and protection racket runner. That 50 million people voted for him and he won is already very, very bad for this country. The only thing you have to do to get Americans to vote for you is tell lies and be racist. well, that and have hillary clinton be your opponent. remember, they both lost voters. hillary lost considerably more. that's not going to happen again. mcmagic posted:You really think that Mitch McConnell is strong enough to stand up to Trump and his entire rabid base who will primary him in 2 seconds if he refuses to kill it? The republicans have been doing NOTHING but destroying norms all across government for the last 25 years. It's as good as gone. yes i really think republican senators understand the value of the tool the just used for 8 years to stop obama. this ain't the house. they know how important the filibuster is. most of them have been there before trump and they'll be there after trump.
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one of the worst things about a trump presidency is knowing that there's going to be four years of this bullshit https://twitter.com/NyleDiMarco/status/796881185641218048 https://twitter.com/LibyaLiberty/status/796940369850236928
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Nov 11, 2016 06:21
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SoggyBobcat posted:Uhh, Nazis have posted here and on other forums, they do get shamed and ridiculed, but they go espouse their crap elsewhere anyway. I'm not defending nazis. I'm defending that people of any ideology can post here so that that ideology can be judged on its merits. If a nazi posts here, he ought to be shamed and ridiculed vs just outright banned because shaming and ridiculing them is some form of outreach.
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Fojar38 posted:Trump's base can't primary McConnell Of course they can.
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Nov 11, 2016 06:22
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flashman posted:yeah man the last time the republicans held all 3 branches and had a conservative like scalia filling his spot on the supreme court they ruled for decades! The last time the Republicans held all 3 branches were the Dubya years and as we all know those were times of great peace and prosperity that had no reverberating impacts into future years.
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Nov 11, 2016 06:21
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RaySmuckles posted:national politics and state politics are very different. the people with money (wall street) don't want this poo poo and it won't happen. Wall Street can get their abortions, SRSs and other such things done out of the country. They don't care about anything but remaining on the government's good side--during the Obama administration this meant sprinkling a gay person in an advertisement or two. In the Trump dictatorship this means compulsory instructions for management to notify the authorities of every undesirable on company payroll and turn them over to the prison centers for immediate dealing-with.
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RaySmuckles posted:well i mean there's a statistical chance you're about to knock on my door to offer me a quick blowie, too. ...Why the gently caress would Wall Street care? Are we still talking about abortions? Rich people don't tend to care about abortion access as a rule because it never affects them. If they want an abortion they have no trouble getting one, and pretty much never have. Abortion access is an issue pretty specific to poor people. It's why all the weaselly measures to get it banned in all but name always target things like Planned Parenthood or reducing the number of clinics to single digits for an entire state.
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HorseRenoir posted:one of the worst things about a trump presidency is knowing that there's going to be four years of this bullshit While I'm in the "some to alot of these are stdh.txt" camp I'm actually okay with it. Get mad people, and let that anger drive you.
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1stGear posted:The last time the Republicans held all 3 branches were the Dubya years and as we all know those were times of great peace and prosperity that had no reverberating impacts into future years. this is a true statement, but not what was asserted.
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mcmagic posted:Of course they can. Trump's base is midwestern blue collar whites. McConnell is from Kentucky.
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Rated PG-34 posted:I'm not defending nazis. I'm defending that people of any ideology can post here so that that ideology can be judged on its merits. If a nazi posts here, he ought to be shamed and ridiculed vs just outright banned because shaming and ridiculing them is some form of outreach. This forum is entertainment. It is not a venue for solving racism. Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Also I wouldn't entirely put it past them to nuke filibuster but if they do it will immediately be a bludgeon against them in the following election by every single Dem with an iota of sense. "The dismal, failed policies of this administration fall entirely on the heads of the Republicans. We gestured in good faith that we would work with our partners across the aisle to get this economy working for the poor and middle class again, only for them to slap our hands away." etc etc. Given the people who are going to be in the executive branch it is guaranteed that Dem voters are going to get hosed in proportion to how many and which minority groups they belong to, and have a much stronger motivation to vote than they did this year. On top of that a bunch of Trump voters are likely to get hosed pretty badly too and if tearing down the system is their chosen answer when they're on hard times and 60+% of the people facing the chopping block are the ones who promised to Make America Great Again, well, I guess we'll find out if the racist rural whites actually can vote their interest or if calling them idiots isn't actually quite so elitist.
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Mister Olympus posted:What makes them think there will even BE another election ever again, is the question If there isn't that's a sure way to a Civil War 2, and this one isn't featuring Captain Marvel and Iron Man, but black people will die in the first 2 issues.
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mcmagic posted:Terrific messaging on the court from Jeff Merkley today. twitter video if you don't want to deal with msnbc player https://twitter.com/allinwithchris/status/796889257344282625
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kartikeya posted:I'm scared of literal Nazis. Like the ones that just helped our new president get elected. I'm not, because I feel that I have reasonable debate skills and could find the holes in their ideology if need be.
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Rated PG-34 posted:I'm not defending nazis. Rated PG-34 posted:If people got purged because of their ideology, it's bullshit even if they are literal nazis. Someone here is defending nazis and it's not me. Rated PG-34 posted:I'm defending that people of any ideology can post here so that that ideology can be judged on its merits. Do you think that nazism is an ideology that needs to be further judged on it's "merits"? gently caress off.
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Rated PG-34 posted:I'm not defending nazis. I'm defending that people of any ideology can post here so that that ideology can be judged on its merits. If a nazi posts here, he ought to be shamed and ridiculed vs just outright banned because shaming and ridiculing them is some form of outreach. Nazi ideology has no merit and we don't need to let them shitpost just to make really really sure and feel all warm and fuzzy about being inclusive. Also, I'm pretty sure all the people Nazis think are subhuman garbage that should be purged from the earth will be totally okay with that. I mean, that is Nazi ideology, if you're a Nazi and get banned for posting it, it's because you got banned thinking it was once hot poo poo to systematically murder millions and millions of people and we should totally talk about how that kind of thing is fine, because otherwise how do people even know you're a Nazi?
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Rated PG-34 posted:I'm not, because I feel that I have reasonable debate skills and could find the holes in their ideology if need be. Trumpites don't have an ideology by the way. Nazism was a coherent (although obviously incredibly flawed) ideology that fascism could coalesce around; what do Trumpites have? Pepe memes?
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HorseRenoir posted:one of the worst things about a trump presidency is knowing that there's going to be four years of this bullshit shitthatdidnthappen.tweet Mister Olympus posted:Wall Street can get their abortions, SRSs and other such things done out of the country. They don't care about anything but remaining on the government's good side--during the Obama administration this meant sprinkling a gay person in an advertisement or two. In the Trump dictatorship this means compulsory instructions for management to notify the authorities of every undesirable on company payroll and turn them over to the prison centers for immediate dealing-with. kartikeya posted:...Why the gently caress would Wall Street care? Are we still talking about abortions? i'm talking about a national ban on abortion and making women attend funerals for their dead babies, as the op mentioned. i mention wall street because its in the northeast, where i'm originally from. people out there are fiscally rear end in a top hat conservatives but they're also considerably liberal in terms of social policy (non-racial social policy, mind you). they don't want trump and they despise evangelical republican bullshit like a national ban on abortion that would also affect them. abortion rights will be stripped at the state level, in poor rural states. that's all i'm saying. there is no fear of a national abortion ban because that poo poo don't fly.
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Rated PG-34 posted:I'm not defending nazis. I'm defending that people of any ideology can post here so that that ideology can be judged on its merits. If a nazi posts here, he ought to be shamed and ridiculed vs just outright banned because shaming and ridiculing them is some form of outreach.
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RaySmuckles posted:well, that and have hillary clinton be your opponent. remember, they both lost voters. hillary lost considerably more. I'm not trying to place blame for the election of Trump. I'm telling you that when you say this: RaySmuckles posted:trump can be bad. really bad. You are flat loving wrong. Trump is already bad, really bad. His policy decisions from here on out is just icing on the racist cake. Even if he ushered in full communism or 1000 years of liberal darkness by cloning RBG and stacking the court with her immortal presence. 50 million people is this country said it is ok to call Mexicans criminals, and 'Blacks are lazy' and brag about sexual assault and threaten our allies with abandonment, and advocate war crimes. All of this is ok if you tell me I'm going to have a job, or your opponent is Hillary Clinton. That is horrific.
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Fojar38 posted:Trump's base can't primary McConnell Matt Bevin lost to McConnell, sure, but that was without a Republican president or any other national force backing him, and was at a juncture when conservative voters thought they needed McConnell's parliamentary savvy to stand up to Obama With republican administration nationwide, conservatives will feel more emboldened to take on establishment figures they dislike. McConnell is deeply unpopular in the Commonwealth and could certainly be bested by a trump-backed primary opponent. But Trump will not feel the need to do this, as McConnell will not challenge him publicly. If you think Mitch is ever gonna stand on Principle then you just don't know the guy. He'll have an uneventful next four years as Majority Leader, go along with the godawful agenda that Pence/Paul Ryan are gonna put together, then maybe retire in 2020 for age reasons. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Fojar38 posted:Trump's base is midwestern blue collar whites. McConnell is from Kentucky. Yeah Trump only got 63% of the vote in Kentucky. WhiskeyJuvenile posted:twitter video if you don't want to deal with msnbc player https://twitter.com/allinwithchris/status/796889257344282625 Thanks. Also, where the hell has this messaging been for the last year. Would've been easier if Garland wasn't such a boring nominee. Probably Obama's biggest failure as president.
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Odobenidae posted:Someone here is defending nazis and it's not me. I'm saying ideology X should be judged on its merits.
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flashman posted:this is a true statement, but not what was asserted. Its pretty reasonable to believe that Republicans on both federal and state levels will push hard to continue voter suppression in minority areas and doing everything they can to set up elections in their favor. That's exactly what they've been doing for years already and its clearly working out for them. And they have all 3 branches of government to make it as easy as possible for them. So yeah, an extended Republican dominance of government isn't unbelievable.
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PKJC posted:Also I wouldn't entirely put it past them to nuke filibuster but if they do it will immediately be a bludgeon against them in the following election by every single Dem with an iota of sense. This has been the Democratic problem for 16 loving years.
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