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Grand Theft Autobot posted:gently caress ACA, gently caress public option, gently caress mandates, gently caress subsidies. That poo poo is completely bust. Full single payer is what we should go after, if the GOP mercifully kills ACA. agreed, but also, millions of people will lose insurance and thousands will probably die unnecessarily in the interim period following the repeal of the ACA and our ultimate, shining success
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Neeksy posted:Dear god is the DNC going to try and push for Cory Booker to be their next guy? Please no. He is not going to be the next DNC chair. But I would worry about him because he's ~charming~ Grand Theft Autobot posted:gently caress ACA, gently caress public option, gently caress mandates, gently caress subsidies. That poo poo is completely bust. Full single payer is what we should go after, if the GOP mercifully kills ACA. Frances/Netherland type system is probably our best bet IMO since with the entirety of the ACA gone it's going to be a "build from the ground up" situation.
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LmaoTheKid posted:Cool, Maddow burying her head in the sand and blaming Russia. Sweet. Her work during the primary was shameful.
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Lastgirl posted:That is actually a good suggestion, I will talk to the mods about that too! wait is c spam not sticking around? that'd be a shame, because d&d is bad these days, and c spam is good.
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Maybe I'll just keep quoting my post every 10 pages because you god drat idiots keep missing the lesson of this election. A GIANT PARSNIP posted:
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:gently caress ACA, gently caress public option, gently caress mandates, gently caress subsidies. That poo poo is completely bust. Full single payer is what we should go after, if the GOP mercifully kills ACA. You know this would be MORE attractive to everyone right? Well except for insurance companies, and therein lies the rub.
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quote:What can Democrats offer rural Americans in towns where the only factory closed down 10 years ago? Stop loving talking about nebulous job retraining and college programs for one. Put some god drat jobs back in these towns. Build a government plant that assembles windmills with the goal of covering the county with windmills over the next 20 years. Build a government plant that makes solar panels, train up local people to install them, and have a goal to cover every roof in the area with free solar panels over the next 20 years. Build a government research lab, or maybe a government clinic that offers free healthcare to the county. Hire people from the local state colleges to be the researchers or doctors, and give all the procurement, HR, security, janitorial, accounting, and other support jobs to local people. Michael Moore is an idiot if he thinks the solution to the death of rural America is propping it up with building factories. Bring back the CCC and put these people to work fixing our crumbling infrastructure. Offers ways to get these people a better life instead of dooming them to lovely factory work forever. https://twitter.com/griph/status/796539192721506304 The amount of jobs lost to going overseas is going to be trivial compared to what automation will do. We already manufacture more than we ever have; it's just done with robots.
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Let me loving quote the meat of it again to make sure you idiot fuckers actually read it and maybe, just loving maybe learn something from this election. A GIANT PARSNIP posted:
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Venom Snake posted:Michael Moore is an idiot if he thinks the solution to the death of rural America is propping it up with building factories. Bring back the CCC and put these people to work fixing our crumbling infrastructure. Offers ways to get these people a better life instead of dooming them to lovely factory work forever. This makes me happy 
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Venom Snake posted:Michael Moore is an idiot if he thinks the solution to the death of rural America is propping it up with building factories. Bring back the CCC and put these people to work fixing our crumbling infrastructure. Offers ways to get these people a better life instead of dooming them to lovely factory work forever. Look at what I posted. This can be modified to be literally anything any loving liberal could possibly want. Just loving build it in these areas and bring jobs to these people. "Take poo poo you want to see happen and build it in places where people are desperate for jobs" shouldn't be a loving breakthrough in liberal politics, but I guess here we loving are.
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:gently caress ACA, gently caress public option, gently caress mandates, gently caress subsidies. That poo poo is completely bust. Full single payer is what we should go after, if the GOP mercifully kills ACA. This is my plan here in MN; I doubt we'll see a large enough majority in the U.S. House and Senate to get this pushed through there in 40 years.
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LmaoTheKid posted:Warren on Maddow is coming on next. This should be interesting after he knee bent so fast she broke the floor. its just her AFL-CIO speech again
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squidgee posted:wait is c spam not sticking around? that'd be a shame, because d&d is bad these days, and c spam is good. It will be sticking around, there will be new rules and guidelines. Hilario Baldness posted:Democratic Party Autopsy Thread: Et tu, Rust Belt? I dig this~ 
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Let me loving quote the meat of it again to make sure you idiot fuckers actually read it and maybe, just loving maybe learn something from this election. Sounds like COMMUNISM to me, you might want to think rethink how the country bumpkins think about COMMUNISM
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RACHET posted:Sounds like COMMUNISM to me, you might want to think rethink how the country bumpkins think about COMMUNISM I heard Tennessee was very interested in that sort of thing.
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no noo nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo http://nypost.com/2016/11/10/chelsea-clinton-being-groomed-to-run-for-congress/
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Seriously it pisses me off when people suggest that we should lust for the days of when people died of ruined lungs and asbestos poisoning (but everyone had a job right?). We need to give these people a chance to enjoy the prosperity that others are getting to enjoy. Guaranteed minimum income. Programs to resettle people stuck in dead rural towns. Rebuilding of infrastructure. Bring them into the 21st Century; don't doom them to living in the 20th century forever.
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Zikan posted:no lomarf
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Venom Snake posted:Michael Moore is an idiot if he thinks the solution to the death of rural America is propping it up with building factories. Bring back the CCC and put these people to work fixing our crumbling infrastructure. Offers ways to get these people a better life instead of dooming them to lovely factory work forever. Hey also wanna point this out: saying poo poo like "dooming them to factory work forever" when these millions of citizens were able to put food on the table and support their families with their factory labor is degrading as gently caress and is exactly why they think you don't give a single poo poo about them. It also happens to be why they just voted for a loving kamikaze president in the hopes he blows your poo poo the gently caress up.
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i remember in the rural America thread in D&D someone's idea to save these people is to relocate the rural America population to megacities like in judge dreed. it may be a joke but knowing how out of touch neoliberals are, it may be someone being honest. this was the 2nd idea i heard on D&D that week that involved relocating poor white people.
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Cyron posted:i remember in the rural America someone idea to save these people is to relocate the rural America to megacities like in judge dreed. it may be a joke but knowing how out of touch neoliberals are, it may be someone being honest. thats exactly the plan, relocate them back to the new deal democratic party 
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Zikan posted:no Can't wait to help primary her lol
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RACHET posted:Sounds like COMMUNISM to me, you might want to think rethink how the country bumpkins think about COMMUNISM they like it as long as it benefits them directly and you label it literally anything else tbh
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The CCC being restarted alone would be loving huge. And like the original CCC, you could pay them with two nickels to rub together as long as the housing and food and certifications from training are free too
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Zikan posted:no https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnlRrxXv-v8
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Look at what I posted. This can be modified to be literally anything any loving liberal could possibly want. Just loving build it in these areas and bring jobs to these people. Agreed. I bet we could get a lot of people a lot of jobs laying fiber nationwide to every city of at least 5,000 people; for reference that's 4,566 cities in the U.S.; if you want to go further, make that part of a locally run utility: municipal internet access. Now you've got an excuse to maintain a staff that can go out to do home and business installs, do repairs, handle calls; they could even branch out into hosting servers locally. This is poo poo people could be running on to move our country into the future technologically while also creating jobs that don't suck absolute rear end and making communities better.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Hey also wanna point this out: saying poo poo like "dooming them to factory work forever" when these millions of citizens were able to put food on the table and support their families with their factory labor is degrading as gently caress and is exactly why they think you don't give a single poo poo about them. It also happens to be why they just voted for a loving kamikaze president in the hopes he blows your poo poo the gently caress up. Dude factory work is not kind to your body. It's not degrading to say we shouldn't be forcing people to ruin their health. There are plenty of ways we can help them that aren't trying to turn back the clock to pre-automation times. Part of the anger they feel comes from the fact that they know they are eating poo poo compared to how others are living and it pisses them off hence kamikaze president. Zikan posted:no If she gets the dems +1 seat in congress it will actually be useful. I won't complain until she starts trying to ruin other peoples time.
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LmaoTheKid posted:Cool, Maddow burying her head in the sand and blaming Russia. Sweet. Is Chris Hayes cool? I liked him but stopped following MSNBC around 2013, and the occasional tweet of his that I see makes him seem alright
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Venom Snake posted:Seriously it pisses me off when people suggest that we should lust for the days of when people died of ruined lungs and asbestos poisoning (but everyone had a job right?). We need to give these people a chance to enjoy the prosperity that others are getting to enjoy. Guaranteed minimum income. Programs to resettle people stuck in dead rural towns. Rebuilding of infrastructure. Bring them into the 21st Century; don't doom them to living in the 20th century forever. loving really? Government run plants to build solar panels and windmills, or government run research labs and local clinics are gonna be asbestos filled hellholes? That's your loving retort to the federal government giving shat on poor people jobs? These people don't want a slightly larger check to spend at Walmart #7918. They want a job they feel proud of, and they want to spend their paychecks at local businesses. Liberals have a giant list of things they want done from climate change action to research to improved healthcare. So why the gently caress shouldn't we slap a giant government facility into every one of these desperate counties to make massive amounts of jobs and do some loving good for mankind at the same time?
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Grondoth posted:I'm sure this is a delicate topic for you, and it's one of the places where these things get tricky and where words like privilege start to matter, because I've never been scared to talk to the most rural of the rural cause I'm a white dude with a big beard and a nice car, but I don't think that everyone out in the sticks hates you personally. I see where you are coming from and I really want to agree with you. But when people say, hang black mannequins from their trees on Halloween while simultaneously supporting Trump, that paints a certain picture for me. I am willing to believe though, that good people out there made a mistake simply because they did not take Trump seriously on half of what he said but liked the other half where it seemed he was speaking directly to them. This is something that is possible and even likely to me. How else did part of Obama's coalition vote for Trump?
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Zikan posted:no https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ
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Cyron posted:i remember in the rural America thread in D&D someone's idea to save these people is to relocate the rural America population to megacities like in judge dreed. it may be a joke but knowing how out of touch neoliberals are, it may be someone being honest. Offering people the ability to resettle because their town is quite literally dead is a good idea IMO. Iv driven through places in Southern VA that look like a loving fallout game. Larry Parrish posted:The CCC being restarted alone would be loving huge. And like the original CCC, you could pay them with two nickels to rub together as long as the housing and food and certifications from training are free too A civil service program that offered military like benefits for doing work projects would be cool.
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Vox Nihili posted:agreed, but also, millions of people will lose insurance and thousands will probably die unnecessarily in the interim period following the repeal of the ACA and our ultimate, shining success well it's too late now because the aca is going to die. it sucks but all we can do it try and get universal health care in the future.
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