|
DaveWoo posted:Why, because she said a mildly polite thing about Dean and put out a statement saying she was willing to work with Trump if he wanted to achieve progressive goals (spoiler alert: this will not happen)? Nobody is going to disregard Warren, also who the gently caress is kneecapped? That one guy you are posting at? The Democrats were just wiped the gently caress out.
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:16
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 11, 2024 12:50 |
|
|
DaveWoo posted:Why, because she said a mildly polite thing about Dean and put out a statement saying she was willing to work with Trump if he wanted to achieve progressive goals (spoiler alert: this will not happen)? Dean deserves ZERO politeness. ZERO.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:17
|
|
|
Vox Nihili posted:lol even colbert condemned hillary for immediately rolling over and saying give trump a chance, holy poo poo It's a mess. 
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:17
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:Wall Street and Silicon generate nearly infinite wealth already. 10% of infinity is pretty big if we can actually get it and convince them if it all falls apart they will have nothing. Yeah all the tax laws they wrote, and all the politicians that paid for that wrote it for them. Yeah, we're going to definitely tax them, especially with the party in charge that decreases revenues results in more revenue.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:17
|
|
|
Cubey posted:i already knew this. much like bernie's stance on nuclear energy, which i also hate. We on the left are going to need to put anti-nuclear people through the wringer no matter how good they are because it's not justifiable in 2016 to be scared of nuclear plants. It's one of the few green solutions to powering cities were solar and wind cannot.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:18
|
|
|
A GIANT PARSNIP posted:This thread is 100x worse than trump winning because it's just an excuse for people to hand wave poo poo away instead of learning why HRC lost loving MI, PA, IA, OH, and WI all in the same god drat election. Here's what I think. Over time people, especially on the left have lost faith in the democratic establishment because they refused to take hard stances on almost anything the left puts effort into and cares. Nothing on DAPL, Racism, pot legalization and minimum wage. In fact as a lot of people active in local stuff found out in the past four years democrats will work against you. Then Hillary got nominated and wow look Democrats are all like "look we have the 'most progressive platform ever!'" except instead of shaping the message positively around how awesome they're going to be they're going to rely entirely on the negative that Trump is actually one of the most disgusting people to run for office ever. In the end unsurprisingly, both candidates had pretty low turn outs. This tells me that really, no one liked either candidate. Neither candidate was very exciting, neither candidate barely rallied anyone besides their core voting base that runs down the list and checks R or D. Lastly ignorance of the reality of Trump does not make one innocent of being complicit in what is the biggest blow towards progression in the US on pretty much anything people on the left care about in quite a while. And holding accountable people who voted for him and enabled the wave of white nationalism spreading across the country deserve whatever they get. Its ironic that we can't be as 'honest' and 'from the heart' as Trump to the people who decided those were good qualities and just plain call them out on being lovely people.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:19
|
|
|
zen death robot posted:This is the bargaining phase, and tbh the electoral college sucks but he's wording it badly. It's not ideal but it's good that a candidate can't just win a selection of cities and call it a day, giving the finger to less dense areas and their issues like was attempted this time. Plus the sucking off of Hamilton was just sending my eyes a'rolling anyway.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:20
|
|
|
if you don't care why are you here?
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:19
|
|
|
Anti-nuclear energy and insane new age health stuff is why I'm not a Green ever though they are a far more popular party in CA than the straight up socialists. These retards are actually worse for the environment than people who don't care
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:20
|
|
|
So how long did it take for you guys to replace "we need to do something, we need to come together, we need to fight this monster any way we can" with "gently caress YOU dad! I refuse to ever be associated with the only possible party with the infrastructure that could possibly oppose Trump!". Should we just tell LGBT voters and minorities to give up all hope, there will be no calvary because the silver in the armor wasn't pure enough? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:20
|
|
|
resar posted:if you don't care why are you here? 2 torment u 
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:20
|
|
|
Fulchrum posted:So how long did it take for you guys to replace "we need to do something, we need to come together, we need to fight this monster any way we can" with "gently caress YOU dad! I refuse to ever be associated with the only possible party with the infrastructure that could possibly oppose Trump!". Should we just tell LGBT voters and minorities to give up all hope, there will be no calvary because the silver in the armor wasn't pure enough? Which minority was begging for white people to save the day for them again
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:20
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:Dude factory work is not kind to your body. It's not degrading to say we shouldn't be forcing people to ruin their health. There are plenty of ways we can help them that aren't trying to turn back the clock to pre-automation times. Part of the anger they feel comes from the fact that they know they are eating poo poo compared to how others are living and it pisses them off hence kamikaze president. Venom Snake posted:Offering people the ability to resettle because their town is quite literally dead is a good idea IMO. Iv driven through places in Southern VA that look like a loving fallout game. Are you for loving real? Like, is this something you thought about at all? Is everyone in this party so far removed from reality that this is something you actually believe?
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:22
|
|
|
Maybe I'm alone in this but I don't think coastal middle class democrats understand the struggle, except maybe gays since that's a minority that tends to cross class lines.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:23
|
|
|
LmaoTheKid posted:The first step here is admitting to yourself that not all southerners are racists. I'm from Long Island, its racist as gently caress there. Its racist as gently caress here in NYC. Oh I know New York is racist. I'm from there. Yeah that city is racist as gently caress!
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:23
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:Offer. You read malice into what is an attempt to listen to what these peoples concerns are. I spent months campaigning in rural southern VA and one of peoples biggest concerns was that their kids couldn't afford to move away [b]if they wanted[/b Your offer here is either they accept relocation or die with their communities, which isn't a real choice. Just because their kids want to move out doesn't mean that they want to themselves. What are they going to do for work?
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:22
|
|
|
LastInLine posted:Are you for loving real? Like, is this something you thought about at all? Is everyone in this party so far removed from reality that this is something you actually believe? Offering people in dying towns retraining and subsidies for housing in more urban areas seems like a great idea to me. Its a lot different than forcing them to leave and getting people into urban centers should be a big focus for anyone concerned about reducing consumption and climate change. Although I don't agree with any notion that we should let them die. Just encourage people to let them die. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:24
|
|
|
heres a novel loving idea maybe democratic outreach could go into these cities and just ask the people what they need and then offer them that
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:26
|
|
|
Not everyone wants to live in an urban area dude. And on top of that, the area you live in is a HUGE impact on your family's culture and beliefs. Also as someone who moved from the sticks to the big city, things are actually worse here so uhhh why are we focusing on rurals and not the actual whole working class.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:27
|
|
|
Larry Parrish posted:Maybe I'm alone in this but I don't think coastal middle class democrats understand the struggle, except maybe gays since that's a minority that tends to cross class lines. Nah, you're right. It's classic "America is Too Big". Everyone from the city life and rural lives live in their own bubbles so its hard to cross the gap and find commonality when they are fighting each other to put different national priorities in the queue while congress does gently caress all about it. Social or Economy, it goes back and forth.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:26
|
|
|
Please God, no more loving Clinton's in politics. America is tired establishment bullshit and a few families trying to be political dynasties. The primaries were all the establishment fucks getting kicked in their loving genitals but the retards in the Democratic party decided to put forward the living embodiment of that establishment in her best pant suit, ignore states she lost in the primary season based on past general election results, and proceed to do everything else wrong while they were at it. And now you want to seriously prove not a single loving thing was learned by having Establishment Jr. run for the loving senate. Oh yeah, and because poo poo was not dumb enough before we'll just overlook the fact she is literally tied to a Goldman Sachs anchor by marriage. WHY WON'T ALL THESE RACIST MASOGYNSTIC IDIOT HICKS EAT THE poo poo WE PUT IN FRONT OF THEM?
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:27
|
|
|
Exinos posted:Please God, no more loving Clinton's in politics. America is tired establishment bullshit and a few families trying to be political dynasties. 
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:28
|
|
|
DaveWoo posted:Why, because she said a mildly polite thing about Dean and put out a statement saying she was willing to work with Trump if he wanted to achieve progressive goals (spoiler alert: this will not happen)? Yep, people need to chill. Warren is still an elected politician who needs to maintain connections in her party, she can't just start screaming at the top of her lungs when people talk about Dean. That's OUR job now.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:28
|
|
|
Doorknob Slobber posted:Offering people in dying towns retraining and subsidies for housing in more urban areas seems like a great idea to me. Its a lot different than forcing them to leave and getting people into urban centers should be a big focus for anyone concerned about reducing consumption and climate change. Although I don't agree with any notion that we should let them die. Just encourage people to let them die.  gently caress no you creep Bro Dad has issued a correction as of 07:30 on Nov 11, 2016 |
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:28
|
|
|
Doorknob Slobber posted:Offering people in dying towns retraining and subsidies for housing in more urban areas seems like a great idea to me. Its a lot different than forcing them to leave and getting people into urban centers should be a big focus for anyone concerned about reducing consumption and climate change. Although I don't agree with any notion that we should let them die. Just encourage people to let them die. You all realize that working class people are being pushed out into the suburbs while urban zones are being gentrified, right?
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:30
|
|
|
Attempting to manage a large scale, inorganic migration of labor around the country seems like it would be a disaster. I think that because most any time it's been done before, it's been a disaster.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:30
|
|
|
also that video of 5 black kids beating up a old white guy who voted for trump. LOVE TRUMPS HATE!
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:31
|
|
|
Exinos posted:Please God, no more loving Clinton's in politics. America is tired establishment bullshit and a few families trying to be political dynasties. Nice meltdown.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:31
|
|
|
Exinos posted:Please God, no more loving Clinton's in politics. America is tired establishment bullshit and a few families trying to be political dynasties. Just wait for a tiny bush or kennedy to come out.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:31
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:Dude factory work is not kind to your body. It's not degrading to say we shouldn't be forcing people to ruin their health. There are plenty of ways we can help them that aren't trying to turn back the clock to pre-automation times. Part of the anger they feel comes from the fact that they know they are eating poo poo compared to how others are living and it pisses them off hence kamikaze president. Spoken like someone who has literally never once spoken to a factory worker.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:31
|
|
|
The guy from Brooklyn 99 is funny, and should not have had his car window smashed.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:31
|
|
|
LastInLine posted:Are you for loving real? Like, is this something you thought about at all? Is everyone in this party so far removed from reality that this is something you actually believe? What? That I think these people are in dire straits and need help now? The four biggest topics I heard when I was campaigning (this was in 2012, mind.) in southern VA (which formerly had large amounts of low tech manufacturing). 1. Education is garbage. Schools closing constantly. Awful graduation rates. Nobody seems to have a future. 2. Dead towns were people cannot get out of because they just don't have the money. Parents sad that their kids cannot go live the life they want and are stuck living in the same house and place forever. 3. Previously you could graduate high school and get a job. That isn't the case anymore. 4. Infrastructure has completely fallen apart.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:31
|
|
|
Maybe I have some kind of truly unique experience here but my area Is massively poor and the logging industry is slowing dying and all the good farm land got bought by rich people during the real estate crash who then planted vineyards and exclusively staff it with either actual illegal immigrants at $2 an hour or their friends and family's kids, basically removing a ton of agricultural jobs from the community forever since these jackasses can and do run the vineyards at a loss forever simply so they can say they own a vineyard. So basically, what are the establishment Democrats offering me that helps me or my town?
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:33
|
|
|
Fulchrum posted:So how long did it take for you guys to replace "we need to do something, we need to come together, we need to fight this monster any way we can" with "gently caress YOU dad! I refuse to ever be associated with the only possible party with the infrastructure that could possibly oppose Trump!". Should we just tell LGBT voters and minorities to give up all hope, there will be no calvary because the silver in the armor wasn't pure enough? it's you, you're the one melting down
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:32
|
|
|
Third World Reggin posted:Just wait for a tiny bush or kennedy to come out. What if they spliced them together in a lab to create the ultimate political dynasty? Bennedy/Kush 2024
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:33
|
|
|
Elizabeth Warren is cool and good, it seems like she's trying to maneuver to get herself and her people in control of the party, and imo people should be excited and supportive of that. I really really want her for 2020.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:32
|
|
|
SpRahl posted:Hate to be that guy but who is Corey Booker and why should I be worried about him being the next darling of the party? He's like Obama in that he has a decent amount of charisma with a love of big banks. He is overall unchallenging to the neoliberal hegemony and thus easily used as a lateral move from Clinton for the press to declare him the next Dem darling.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:34
|
|
|
Cyron posted:also that video of 5 black kids beating up a old white guy who voted for trump. turns out hate won, congratulations you were right!!!!!
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:33
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:2. Dead towns were people cannot get out of because they just don't have the money. Parents sad that their kids cannot go live the life they want and are stuck living in the same house and place forever. Those towns are dead because they were abandoned by market forces, and your solution is to just push them into relocation. Why not bring in a government-run business which can give their community new purpose like Parsnip said?
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:34
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 11, 2024 12:50 |
|
|
Al! posted:turns out hate won, congratulations you were right!!!!! c'est la vie~  e:  snipe
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2016 07:35
|
|