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Tias posted:E: a lot of my US queer and trans friends on facebook are talking about arming themselves. Are Trumps admin going to be as hosed up to LGBTQ people as they think? Vice President Pence is literally the worst-case scenario for LGBTQ people. I wouldn't call it 'arm yourself' territory, but it's not gonna be good at all.
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Did I really read a post on freep critical of people who want a civil war because their candidate lost?!
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Nov 11, 2016 12:11
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Ambitious Spider posted:Did I really read a post on freep critical of people who want a civil war because their candidate lost?! Dissent is treason. Regardless of your political opinion it's everyone's duty to support the president.
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Nov 11, 2016 12:21
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Ambitious Spider posted:Did I really read a post on freep critical of people who want a civil war because their candidate lost?! Freepers didn't want a civil war, they would totally have sighed regretfully and perhaps even shed a single sad tear at the horror of it all, at the terrible waste of human life as they picked up their guns and went out into the streets to do their duty shooting every rabid, rampaging demonrat and ni... thug they could find.
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Nov 11, 2016 12:23
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Voyeur posted:Freepers didn't want a civil war, they would totally have sighed regretfully and perhaps even shed a single sad tear at the horror of it all, at the terrible waste of human life as they picked up How do they not realise they were saying they'd do the very same thing. Well I guess in their mind it's not the same thing at all.
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Nov 11, 2016 12:35
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Debate the point all you want (and I saw someone upthread say they'd rather die than do it, but whatevs), but I've seen quite a few variants of "I finally get the 2nd amendment" on the interwebs the last day or so.
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Nov 11, 2016 14:30
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People should have learned from history is that the best way to get stronger gun laws is to have black people try and take advantage of the same rights that whites do. Gun laws/anything, really.
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Nov 11, 2016 15:02
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Yeah, as unfortunate as the circumstances are where members of the LGBT community feel the need to arm themselves, it is hard not to also see how it is likely to improve the social conscience of the pool of people who are armed in society today, and give some shitheads pause about just what arming the population means.
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Nov 11, 2016 15:22
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Tias posted:We're talking past one another. Trump will gently caress up the EPA, but that is not why he was elected. He was elected because he wasn't Clinton - and also, of course, because of the kook vote, but I think "dealing with" illegals and muslims swayed more of them than slashing the EPA. I don't think they're going to get purposely hit by Trump. Maybe Reps will try the SC, but that's still a long shot till another justice or two are gone. The worst they'll get for now is likely an uptick in crazy evangicals shouting some hate here and there. jojoinnit posted:Dems will buy up all the guns and ammo then claim the shortage of ammo and the high price of guns is because Trumps goons are readying the queer internment camps. I hear they bought a billion rounds of ammo for "training exercises". Why not. That's what all the loonies said about Obama
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Nov 11, 2016 15:42
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Pence is going to be the vice president of the United States I will not blame anyone in the LGBTQ community for buying a gun to protect themselves, or just to feel safer
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Nov 11, 2016 15:45
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SocketWrench posted:I don't think they're going to get purposely hit by Trump. Maybe Reps will try the SC, but that's still a long shot till another justice or two are gone. I don't think anyone is afraid Trump will personally start a pogrom or the like. Their argument is that the Trump admin purposely will abstain from adressing hate crimes, leading to an uptick once his supporters realize they can get away with it.
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Nov 11, 2016 15:52
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Tias posted:I don't think anyone is afraid Trump will personally start a pogrom or the like. Their argument is that the Trump admin purposely will abstain from adressing hate crimes, leading to an uptick once his supporters realize they can get away with it. It's also expected that Trump will devolve a lot of power on social issues to the states or lower, to cities or local authorities. If every deep-red county across the breadth of the USA gets to define things like hate crimes, religious freedom and marriage laws on their own terms then there's going to be more than one place where beating gay people to death in the street doesn't even warrant a day in court.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:06
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Plinkey posted:Probably not, but Dems getting into the gun culture and getting them out of the bubble and interacting with the rest of america is probably a good thing. Uh, bro, gun ownership in this country is about 20% of the population. You really going to call the 80% majority of the country without guns "the bubble"?
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Nov 11, 2016 16:22
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Yes but there are more guns than people. The bubble is the world of flesh and bone, the real is lead and grease.
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AFAIK, gun ownership is at its lowest in nearly 40 years in the US, but 20% is a lot lower than numbers I've seen.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:31
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Nidhg00670000 posted:AFAIK, gun ownership is at its lowest in nearly 40 years in the US, but 20% is a lot lower than numbers I've seen. Sorry, I misremembered, it was 22%: http://www.newsweek.com/us-gun-ownership-declines-312822?piano_t=1 32% of households have at least one gun, but only 22% of people own any guns. 35% of men own a gun, and only 12% of women do. Incidentally the income group with highest household ownership rates? $90,000+, with 44% of those households owning guns. There was also a separate survey out there that the determined the majority of the 300 million plus guns in private hands in this country are owned by a small percentage of the people who own guns - since most people who do own guns tend to only own one or two guns, with shotguns and simple traditional riles the most common. Since those are the most useful guns to people who need to have a gun.
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Nov 11, 2016 17:47
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Fargo Fukes posted:It's also expected that Trump will devolve a lot of power on social issues to the states or lower, to cities or local authorities. If every deep-red county across the breadth of the USA gets to define things like hate crimes, religious freedom and marriage laws on their own terms then there's going to be more than one place where beating gay people to death in the street doesn't even warrant a day in court. This is what scares me more than Trump, per se. Trump is going to get us into a shooting war and will badger the military about using nuclear weapons. I've come to terms with that and pray to God saner heads in the military prevail. But Trump does not give a poo poo about anything that does not affect him personally, and he is going to give the GOP - including most significantly Mike Pence - free reign to do whatever they drat well please, and that does terrify me. LGBT people, African-Americans, Muslims (and anyone who "looks" Muslim), and women are all in very serious risk of getting assaulted, murdered, and other fun things over the next four to eight years and the government is not going to do a drat thing about it - particularly in already conservative parts of the country.
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From Trump adviser urges Obama, Clinton to speak out on protests posted by freeper metmomquote:Obama and Hillary should have done this from day one without having to be asked by anyone. quote:To: metmom quote:To: metmom quote:To: metmom quote:To: metmom Today's broken clock. quote:To: metmom quote:To: metmom quote:To: metmom quote:To: metmom And from a second thread on the same story quote:To: Scythian_Reborn quote:To: Scythian_Reborn quote:To: Scythian_Reborn loving hell quote:To: Scythian_Reborn I really wanted to bold this entire thing, but I want anyone that's been watching the news to tell me that violence is being encouraged by anybody in the media. quote:To: Scythian_Reborn For the record, a few dozen people were arrested in Portland last night, and a whole bunch of the other troublemakers were caught on camera and I eagerly await their arrest. quote:To: dp0622 quote:To: LouAvul quote:To: Freedom'sWorthIt quote:To: CivilWarBrewing
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Nov 11, 2016 18:27
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Tias posted:I don't think anyone is afraid Trump will personally start a pogrom or the like. Their argument is that the Trump admin purposely will abstain from adressing hate crimes, leading to an uptick once his supporters realize they can get away with it. This is exactly the reason my fiancee and I have serious plans to get at least one handgun and concealed carry licenses. She's a female queer of openly non-Christian religious beliefs, so if her skin tone was any darker she'd be the perfect prey for a lynching.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:45
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Nihilarian posted:Pence is going to be the vice president of the United States Until they shoot their spouse or child on accident. A lot of the arguments don't stop being plausible just because the group changed
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quote:Those involved in funding and organizing these riots are engaged in a conspiracy against public order and (however ineffectually) plotting the violent overthrow of the US Government. I know it was expected and already mentioned, but man it sure didn't take Freep long to start going "Anybody who wants to violently overthrow the US government is bad!"
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Nov 11, 2016 18:51
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Guns are cool and good and everybody should have a few.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:52
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Tias posted:I don't think anyone is afraid Trump will personally start a pogrom or the like. Their argument is that the Trump admin purposely will abstain from adressing hate crimes, leading to an uptick once his supporters realize they can get away with it. Honestly this is everyone except well off white folk. Even the middle and poor class whites will be getting poo poo on.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Until they shoot their spouse or child on accident. A lot of the arguments don't stop being plausible just because the group changed People who accidentally shoot others with guns are morons who shouldn't be trusted with them.
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fishmech posted:Sorry, I misremembered, it was 22%: http://www.newsweek.com/us-gun-ownership-declines-312822?piano_t=1 Not that i want to support the fear=needs a gun thing or to use it as your only defense, but on the plus side it might make a lot more moderate people on the issue and lead to actual legislation further down the road quote:To: metmom AAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA Lest we forget the last eight years. loving lolz, what the poo poo quote:To: Scythian_Reborn Freper America, land of the authoritarian power, and the home of the chickenhawks SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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The short version is that I'll take a theoretical increased chance of accidentally blowing my fiancee's brains out on the assumption that I'm an idiot over actually having us unable to defend ourselves if someone sees her do something gay in public while wearing a pentagram necklace and decides "Cool, let's gently caress them up."
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Nov 11, 2016 19:33
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RagnarokAngel posted:Until they shoot their spouse or child on accident. A lot of the arguments don't stop being plausible just because the group changed 
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chitoryu12 posted:The short version is that I'll take a theoretical increased chance of accidentally blowing my fiancee's brains out on the assumption that I'm an idiot over actually having us unable to defend ourselves if someone sees her do something gay in public while wearing a pentagram necklace and decides "Cool, let's gently caress them up." Get a gun, get two, but you treat them with care and respect and KNOW that accidents happen every second of every day to people that were too smart to have them. "Smart" doesn't always translate to "safe".
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Nov 11, 2016 20:12
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There's about 74,000 accidental shootings every year. 500 or so are lethal. You can likely chalk a large portion of that up to idiots. But that's what you get in a culture that makes guns cool toys through movies and poo poo, but doesn't teach anyone anything about them unless the person goes looking for themselves. We really should have a class taught in school like driver's ed
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It's not even being dumb though. I mean that's part of it but it's more the fear that can make you irrational, and guns give you a potentially lethal way to act on that fear. Maybe we should have a separate thread on this because it's sort of an interesting topic to see a leftward trend of wanting a gun now and even REGULAR gun discussion is extremely disruptive. It's like everyone is now thinking Le Jackal was right all along.
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Nov 11, 2016 20:21
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SocketWrench posted:There's about 74,000 accidental shootings every year. 500 or so are lethal. "These people are literally going to be facing death by walking down the street" "Careful! Guns aren't toys!"
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Nov 11, 2016 20:22
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quote:Or Obama could order in the Nat’l Guard and perform mass arrests of the angry snowflakes. 
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Nov 11, 2016 20:23
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Fathis Munk posted:Wait wait wait, Trump is already turning around and suggesting he won't repeal obamacare but saying he likes a lot of stuff in that bill Wait what? Also as my dying wish please shut the gently caress up about gun chat in this thread you fuckers.
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Trump likes main Obamacare provisions 'very much' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37953528quote:US President-elect Donald Trump has said in an interview he is open to leaving intact key parts of President Barack Obama's healthcare bill. quote:Mr Trump told the Journal it was his hour-and-a-half meeting with Mr Obama that hadmade him reconsider his calls for an all-out repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
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Nov 11, 2016 23:24
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Man, my optimistic predictions actually coming true?!
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Duke Igthorn posted:Listen to me carefully, I've no idea who you are or what your history is so I'm going to tell you that this comes from a real and genuine place: just not being an idiot does NOT make you immune from gun accidents. It does not give you a magic shield and each and every single person ever shot by accident thought that they were smart enough to handle the responsibility. I've been a firearm owner since 2011. I just don't own a handgun. Calm down.
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Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:please shut the gently caress up about gun chat in this thread you fuckers. Also  whatever happened to you 
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Fathis Munk posted:Also Toxx clause for election. Lots of permabans today.
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