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Sojenus posted:The right way to protest has always been quietly away out of sight and out of mind instead of, oh gosh, interfering with the system you're protesting, thank you very much. I love how even in the cases where the protesters brought their own poo poo to burn, burning that poo poo was still inappropriate vandalism Like good god, burning a Trump pinata made to be burned is not a riot people
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Sojenus posted:The right way to protest has always been quietly away out of sight and out of mind instead of, oh gosh, interfering with the system you're protesting, thank you very much. I don't think he meant to suggest that at all and though I haven't watched the clip this is probably a deliberately unfair interpretation of what he said.
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Larry Parrish posted:It's honestly loving insane to me that the Democrats still think they lost an election purely to sexism and not class struggle. If anything it just shows you how amazingly sheltered the ruling elite are. "Its complicated" Part of the problem is that you can spin things any which way you like and find a rationale. Was sexism a part? I'm sure there was a good dollop of that, yes. "Trump that bitch" being one of the more obvious aspects. No one is immune to echo chambers and narrative exclusions. Outside of racism/sexism, would you think "trade war trump" would actually help the rust belt and gain its favor? If anything he'd hasten its demise. But people didn't see that through to its conclusion. They're more focused on NOW and their next paycheck. So its not insanity. It's just being so focused on incrementalism and getting what you can now that you miss that people are looking for the sweeping promise. Incrementalism is great for wonks and people not on the verge of losing everything who can consider it. Sweeping promises work for people buying powerball because that's their only chance to escape their hellhole dying towns.
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look its fun to poo poo on the neoliberal failures but you don't have to permanently write off people who think like this and think we lost because of [insert podesta excuse here]. in fact now is the perfect time to try to communicate with them where it blew up and explain to them why this happened. don't harass them, don't be mean to them, acknowledge how terrible and scared they feel and then tell them that the real progressive movement is the obvious correct direction to move in because there's no war but class war (maybe dont say that directly to your friends who work in banks but are socially liberal)
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Nov 12, 2016 00:07
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Cheer up every one! The Hillary Campaign has sent us a message thanking us for our support. It was written by....oh...him... you know it's probably not common for campaign managers to tell supporters that they're sorry but I feel like it's warranted here.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:08
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https://twitter.com/People4Bernie/status/796280444849307648 Can I just say it's been amazing to see all of the radicalization on the left that's been going on in the last few days?
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bump_fn posted:look its fun to poo poo on the neoliberal failures but you don't have to permanently write off people who think like this and think we lost because of [insert podesta excuse here]. Yeah, there's no drat reason to start proscribing anyone yet until they've actually proven themselves incapable of facing facts and accepting what needs to be done now.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:07
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And with that Robby Mook returned to his home planet
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Princess Di posted:Idealism. I mean I fell for some of that too. I assumed because of her relative successes as a Senator and Sec of State, she had gotten the hang of campaigning and winning people over. Turns out the whole plan on that front was Broad City and Lena Dunham tweeting snark about ~woke feminism~, while MI, WI, PA and OH burned to the loving ground. A bit naive in retrospect but I was wasn't running a major presidential campaign or clearing the bench for a chosen successor.
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Well What Now posted:My answer to this is: Centrists don't have any values, they just like empty platitudes. It's real bad. So the whole "We have to work together" is really a crock of poo poo because they just want you to shut up and sideline you, as evidenced by the DNC this entire journey~ It's so flagrantly and astoundingly obvious and it needs a real change. *taps mic* Keith Ellison you heard it here.
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HannibalBarca posted:Cheer up every one! The Hillary Campaign has sent us a message thanking us for our support. It was written by....oh...him... This is honestly the most useful thing he's ever done
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Venom Snake posted:This is honestly the most useful thing he's ever done That about says it all.
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Atrocious Joe posted:And with that Robby Mook returned to his home planet  sorry i had to
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VirtualStranger posted:https://twitter.com/People4Bernie/status/796280444849307648 If Corbyn is any indication, you can look forward to a years long media massage explaining to you why why you are an idiot peasant infected with wrongthink for abandoning the winning Clinton strategy.
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Lastgirl posted:Centrists don't have any values, they just like empty platitudes. Uh excuse me, I know a certain radical centrist who has on thing he really values: Parenthood 
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Venom Snake posted:This is honestly the most useful thing he's ever done Hey Venom Snake I have a guy who wants to know who in VA he can donate money and/or time to because the system is hosed and he wants to unfuck it. Not blaming you for missing my post because this thread moves fast. Do you know anyone he can help?
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steinrokkan posted:If Corbyn is any indication, you can look forward to a years long media massage explaining to you why why you are an idiot peasant infected with wrongthink for abandoning the winning Clinton strategy. we all know that the media calling you an idiot 24/7 will obviously discredit any attempt at power just look at known loser Donald Trump Zikan has issued a correction as of 00:17 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Political language is perverted. If you are a strong advocate for Wall Street, you are a centrist. If you are a strong advocate for human rights or single payer, you are a radical.
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Typo posted:he's not wrong in the sense that violence does not play out well on TV in the eyes of the silent majority the silent majority doesn't care if you burn your liberal cities to the ground.
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Wyld Thang posted:the silent majority doesn't care if you burn your liberal cities to the ground. they'll probably care if they torch the banks though
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MJ12 posted:Hey Venom Snake I have a guy who wants to know who in VA he can donate money and/or time to because the system is hosed and he wants to unfuck it. Not blaming you for missing my post because this thread moves fast. Not right now. I'm still in constant meetings with people as everyone decides what we are going to do next. The minute people start running in primaries for congress is the best time to donate to get the person who you like the best to win. There is also going to be a big push for state houses. Who will lead that at this moment. I do not know. If he can find a local office willing to take him then that would be a good place to start.
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big juicy nectarine posted:Has Evan Bayh been locked in a safe and thrown to the bottom of the ocean yet? He lost a senate race to some chucklefuck suburbanite, ironically enough. So it's back to lobbying for him.
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A Winner is Jew posted:they'll probably care if they torch the banks though what a waste of good ready cash you could redistribute instead
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Nov 12, 2016 00:21
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HannibalBarca posted:speaking of historical analogies, we've spent a lot of the cycle finding historical figures to which we can compare Trump, Clinton, etc. Jia Sidao the Prime Minister of Song Dynasty China who hosed up so badly the Mongol Emperor Kublai Khan took the Song Capital and started the new Yuan Dynasty.
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A Winner is Jew posted:they'll probably care if they torch the banks though "the banks" are data centers located in places nowhere near the major cities.
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Well What Now posted:what a waste of good ready cash you could redistribute instead i never said not to loot them first 
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MJ12 posted:I think you're underselling and overselling some things here. They need to be told they're wrong because we're running a very suboptimal coalition that is highly dependent on whims and an inspiring charismatic candidate to do well. It's not a doomed coalition which will never have relevance. Had just a little more gone right for Clinton or a little more gone wrong for Trump it could have won. In 20 years or so, this majority-minority coalition is probably going to be a force to be reckoned with. But that's 20 years from now, and a 50/50 chance is a bad chance when that's a 50% chance of loving a lot of people over. You're focusing on one office though. To regain statehouses and governorships the Democratic party needs a lot more than a face-lift. If a little more had gone Hillary's way the Republicans would still control both houses as well as most statehouses and most governorships. It has to be totally rebuilt away from third way is and identity politics.
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I hope the Hillary defeat party in Brooklyn gets streamed.
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A Winner is Jew posted:i never said not to loot them first I concede the point.
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Also the Dishonored sequel is finally out.
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Jaminjami posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0IwIOUg_Cs
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Fast Luck posted:We need to fight against racism and voter suppression and xenophobia, but what I hope we've learned here is that the way to do that maybe isn't to call tuition free state college "racist" but rather to bash the fasc can someone quote the 5,000+ fishmech posts doing this, but with every single thing related to sanders tia
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:can someone quote the 5,000+ fishmech posts doing this, but with every single thing related to sanders i wouldn't wish doing that on anyone except fishmech
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the last thing this thread needs is more fishmech
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Nov 12, 2016 00:32
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lol capitalism is breaking down worldwide the accelerationist breakdown is already here everybody grab your ankles and get ready
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I haven't really been involved in politics up until now, but all the bullshit of the past year and continuing bullshit like this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-anthony-cooper/the-electoral-college-was_b_12897066.html are making me really want to actually help drag this party, kicking and screaming if necessary, towards a position that will actually be effective and get things done. I'm in the bay area - other than yelling at the CA committee members to elect Ellison, what do I do to help/where am I most useful?
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:can someone quote the 5,000+ fishmech posts doing this, but with every single thing related to sanders Yeahhhh...... no. Fishmech is always going to fishmech, just close your eyes fam. He's a hologram now.
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lmao https://twitter.com/donnabrazile/status/797152411647377408 
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Suddenly wishing for a massive hurricane.
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OAquinas posted:Suddenly wishing for a massive hurricane. alternatively, the ocean levels aren't rising fast enough
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