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Princess Di posted:Alright. Man I don't know. But, the first thing they have to do is find some younger standard bearers to rally around; they need people in the House and Senate to start pissing off both the GOP and more established people in the Democratic party; people who start making a name for theirself. It took Ted Cruz less than a year to piss off every Republican in the Senate and he made a name for himself doing it; he marked his territory and rode it all the way into the primaries. I really think that's the biggest challenge right now, the Democratic party needs some people to become a rallying point, other than Warren and Sanders who are both too old. I'm not against full socialism but it just doesn't sell in the U.S. Plus, any hope of doing anything legislatively is gone for the next 2 years at the very least. I don't care if it's the Castro brothers, Kamal Harris or anybody else, just find someone to rally around and I'm really sorry but, Bernie is not going to cut it.
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BUSH 2112 posted:maybe i'm just being a douche here, but this poo poo is driving me loving insane. a dude who didn't win the popular vote, has no experience, was colluding or at least complicit in the illegal hacking of a loving political party by a foreign country, and has said and proposed horrid bullshit is the president elect. they're treating this loving rear end in a top hat with kid gloves, and the media is completely uninterested. "well it turns out russia admitted that is was in contact with trump and his staffers the whole time, now look at this guy who photoshops himself into some d-list tart's photos! that's news!" Because they are all in on it. It took me a while to believe that, but I feel like its right in front of my eyes now.
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Princess Di posted:Because they are all in on it. They weren't loving all in on it unless you stretch the definition of "in on it" beyond all meaning. They were lazy and complacent and shirked their duty to the nation and its people. That's bad enough without exaggeration. Don't become a leftist version of Alex Jones.
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BUSH 2112 posted:maybe i'm just being a douche here, but this poo poo is driving me loving insane. a dude who didn't win the popular vote, has no experience, was colluding or at least complicit in the illegal hacking of a loving political party by a foreign country, and has said and proposed horrid bullshit is the president elect. they're treating this loving rear end in a top hat with kid gloves, and the media is completely uninterested. "well it turns out russia admitted that is was in contact with trump and his staffers the whole time, now look at this guy who photoshops himself into some d-list tart's photos! that's news!" because the media is shook as gently caress and beholden to wall street who are currently salivating at the prospect of deregulation while offering up their gay workers, with obsidian knife in hand to mammon.
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Well What Now posted:They weren't loving all in on it unless you stretch the definition beyond all meaning. They were lazy and complacent and shirked their duty to the nation and its people. That's bad enough without exaggeration. Don't become a leftist version of Alex Jones. lazy, complacent, and after ratings also, threads opinion on chris hayes? he seems like he did fair reporting through the election and is calling the third-way people out now
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BUSH 2112 posted:maybe i'm just being a douche here, but this poo poo is driving me loving insane. a dude who didn't win the popular vote, has no experience, was colluding or at least complicit in the illegal hacking of a loving political party by a foreign country, and has said and proposed horrid bullshit is the president elect. they're treating this loving rear end in a top hat with kid gloves, and the media is completely uninterested. "well it turns out russia admitted that is was in contact with trump and his staffers the whole time, now look at this guy who photoshops himself into some d-list tart's photos! that's news!"
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A Winner is Jew posted:hello everyone that was right and i was 100% wrong in ignoring / arguing with / belittling / being an rear end in a top hat to / and being an all around rear end clown that deserves to be gently caress barreled for the rest of my life for my actions As someone who manages people, I gently caress up 5 times a day on good days and 20 times a day on bad days. It happens, it sucks, we're all just people. Thank you for admitting it, and I admit I've hosed up way more things than anyone could ever count. Now lets get really loving pumped up to go fix some poo poo.
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Princess Di posted:It's several factors that lead to the loss of this election. I would say that classism is the primary reason we were so blind to the fact we were mooking this thing.
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Lawman 0 posted:because the media is shook as gently caress and beholden to wall street who are currently salivating at the prospect of deregulation while offering up their gay workers, with obsidian knife in hand to mammon. oh for poo poo's sake
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the working class does not give a gently caress about russia and never will unless we are in a shooting war with them
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A Winner is Jew posted:thanks for the hugbox, no really half of the reason why i haven't been able to get sleep recently is knowing that i was a ripe bastard... the other half is super obvious Holy poo poo OC Eagle Scout buddy! I thought there weren't many other here. Shooting shotguns and setting off rockets in Joshua Tree were great fun. It also let's me talk to conservative people and they listen to me much more. I can open with liking to shoot guns, self sustainability, and an accomplishment that makes conservatives view me as responsible and that I have solid foundational values. Then I can push progressive ideas because it's a dialogue instead of a lecture. Shooting is actually fun and I think that gun control needs to take a massive backseat in the rebuild of DNC. We all want reasonable things like universal background checks, but holy poo poo this issue was given way too much airtime. Mass shootings becoming relatively common is kind of scary and bad, but it still directly impacts relatively few people. American already has 300 million guns floating around, so "control" is already an illusion, almost anyone could get a gun with like 3 days if they felt like it, even in the most restrictive states. A lot of states you can get it in hours. Wallowing in all these mass shootings and focusing on guns at the only real culprit did not help the Dems at all this election season, and likely never will.
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mrmcd posted:Remember when Weiner was a young progressive hero for yelling at Republicans and not a Cuomo machine hack who could stop sending pictures of his dick to internet randos? Also one of Hillary's great accomplishment was serving as matchmaker to set Huma up with Weiner.
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Zikan posted:the working class does not give a gently caress about russia and never will unless we are in a shooting war with them just because it doesn't matter to the working class doesn't mean it isn't an issue that needs attention it's possible to give the working class the help they need and confront russia and stop their interference
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comedyblissoption posted:experience is a stupid loving metric for politics. saying experience doesn't matter is dumb. Bernie is good because Bernie is progressive AND experienced. Saying experience doesn't matter gets you Tom Cottons and Marco Rubios
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Venom Snake posted:saying experience doesn't matter is dumb. Bernie is good because Bernie is progressive AND experienced. Saying experience doesn't matter gets you Tom Cottons and Marco Rubios
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Venom Snake posted:saying experience doesn't matter is dumb. Bernie is good because Bernie is progressive AND experienced. Saying experience doesn't matter gets you Tom Cottons and Marco Rubios A reminder that Hill folk accused Bernie of being a weak inexperienced politician even though he won more contested elections than Yaas Queen and has the highest favorability rating of any politician in the US right now.
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Venom Snake posted:saying experience doesn't matter is dumb. Bernie is good because Bernie is progressive AND experienced. Saying experience doesn't matter gets you Tom Cottons and Marco Rubios Not gonna stop me from wanting Nina Turner to run.
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A Winner is Jew posted:lazy, complacent, and after ratings hes dece David Fahrenthold also needs credit for calling Trump on his bullshit, especially with charity and his excess greed. He's been pretty good at calling out that Trump is in banker pockets but no 1 curr
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Zythrst posted:Not gonna stop me from wanting Nina Turner to run. Nina Turner owns, she got attacked by old Hill folk women for daring to support Bernie in the primary.
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Venom Snake posted:saying experience doesn't matter is dumb. Bernie is good because Bernie is progressive AND experienced. Saying experience doesn't matter gets you Tom Cottons and Marco Rubios of course you wouldn't. because experience doesn't loving matter.
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Remember when Hillary released that remake of an anti-Goldwater ad from 1964 with the same actor from the original? I thought it was brilliant at the time. Turns out it was a perfect metaphor for her campaign: wonky as all hell with no relevance to anyone's day to day reality. WHO THE gently caress BESIDES OLD PEOPLE AND POLY-SCI ASSHOLES ABOUT THAT 1964 AD?!
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comedyblissoption posted:so you would support an experienced candidate who is the polar opposite of your preferred platform vs a candidate that's never been a politician that aligns with your platform? maybe it doesn't matter but it sure doesn't hurt in almost all situations
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etalian posted:A reminder that Hill folk accused Bernie of being a weak inexperienced politician even though he won more contested elections than Yaas Queen and has the highest favorability rating of any politician in the US right now. I never said that. Other people might of. But if Bernie had won old Hillaryman me would probably be mostly happy because I know he knows what he's doing. Zythrst posted:Not gonna stop me from wanting Nina Turner to run. That's fine! I'm just saying you can find people who know how to work within the system AND are willing to push a progressive agenda. Lots of former establishment people are going to come to the progressive side. Use these people for your benefit.
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comedyblissoption posted:so you would support an experienced candidate who is the polar opposite of your preferred platform vs a candidate that's never been a politician that aligns with your platform? That's not true. Obviously it's not the be all end all, but it matters very much.
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etalian posted:A reminder that Hill folk accused Bernie of being a weak inexperienced politician even though he won more contested elections than Yaas Queen and has the highest favorability rating of any politician in the US right now.
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Lastgirl posted:hes dece the entire clinton campaign can be summarized with no 1 curr
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comedyblissoption posted:so you would support an experienced candidate who is the polar opposite of your preferred platform vs a candidate that's never been a politician that aligns with your platform? If they will champion my cause then I will have them. Experience is a valuable thing. Do not laugh it off. There are people out there who are progressive and experienced. There are people out there who are experienced and willing to listen. Do not write these people off.
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some people might feel a little resentment when the experience you point to is abominable and reprehensible and then you try to use it to lord it over a candidate's supposed inexperience
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In the spirit of getting all of the problems on the table up front, here's something to consider: That changing demographic that Democrats have been waiting on forever now; its relevance and very existence are completely at the mercy of the Census Bureau. The Census Bureau is a part of the Department of Commerce. Trump obviously gets to appoint the Secretary of Commerce. The current term of the Director of the Census Bureau expires in 2018; and Trump then gets to appoint the new Director. The GOP has been out to gut and completely reform the Census Bureau since way before 2010. I don't think there's any reason to pin any hopes on the 2020 Census as providing any relief in future redistriting or elections.
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comedyblissoption posted:bernie didnt have the proper foreign policy experience that involved supporting absurdly terrible american wars and rightwing coup governments please stop being willingly obtuse
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and the version from the uk remake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
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Experience is a mixed bag. It opens you up to attacks based on the record you generate, but having working relationships with ranking party members can make things a lot easier (like fundraising, getting in touch with good comms guys, etc etc). Being able to hit the ground running is supremely important, since people's attention span wanders after a few weeks and then everything bogs down. I mean, lets face it--outside of working the system and maybe one or two policy areas most politicians are pretty goddamn dumb. We elect them based on charisma and perceived "judgement" and their temperament. As long as they can come across as being level-headed and well spoken, that's half the "qualification" right there--as far as voters are concerned. But simply being a fresh-faced (or orange misshapen blob) candidate opens you up to attacks based on naivety and ignorance. Not being aware of how the sausage is made really limits your effectiveness, and gates you from doing the stuff you promised/want to do. There's a reason congress is like 95% lawyers. OAquinas has issued a correction as of 01:38 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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comedyblissoption posted:some people might feel a little resentment when the experience you point to is abominable and reprehensible and then you try to use it to lord it over a candidate's supposed inexperience Hillary is gone dude. She lost.
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radical meme posted:In the spirit of getting all of the problems on the table up front, here's something to consider: oh god we're gonna get a harper 2011 census lol
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