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ArbitraryC posted:it's almost mirrors why hillary lost the general due to her incredibly bad optics on class issues, if you actually weighed their platforms one side was objectively better but people just couldn't trust them regardless. Oh yeah I understand that too, I'm just explaining why some people trusted her over bernie for minority issues originally since it was asked. I'm really not interested in the blame game cycle that people seem keen on here, I'm just trying to learn and educate where I can.
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can someone give me a rundown on what exactly happened during the Night of Long Toxxes? i imagine this place was a bloodbath but i guess people were mass buying people's freedom?
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Xae posted:Guess what the Republicans, Health Insurers, Drug Company, Hospitals, Device Makers and the AMA are going to be running adds 24/7 calling it?
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Fojar38 posted:Elizabeth Warren then, perhaps. she will be in her 70s the democratic leadership is older than the soviet politburo right now.
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Donald Trump is going to have secret service protection for the rest of his life lol
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Also literally none of this theorycrafting about how Trump will gently caress up his presidency matters because the 99% chance is that he will delegate his way through it and let Pence run the show. The only way that he will actually take the presidency seriously enough to set it on fire is if someone riles him up enough to do so through calling him a pussy or something.
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QuoProQuid posted:she will be in her 70s Sherrod Brown's name was bandied about earlier, I think he'll be 66 in 2020.
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Pollyanna posted:Also literally none of this theorycrafting about how Trump will gently caress up his presidency because the 99% chance is that he will delegate his way through it and let Pence run the show. The only way that he will actually take the presidency seriously enough to set it on fire is if someone riles him up enough to do so through calling him a pussy or something.
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Business Gorillas posted:can someone give me a rundown on what exactly happened during the Night of Long Toxxes? Some biased mod on this biased-rear end forum decided that toxxing only counted for bernie and trump voters and tried to give them an out via charity, lowtax laid down the law and they were banned. Blood for the toxx god.
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QuoProQuid posted:she will be in her 70s Have the Dems failed to train up a single young Dem that can step into Sanders or Warrens shoes when they retire?
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Xae posted:Guess what the Republicans, Health Insurers, Drug Company, Hospitals, Device Makers and the AMA are going to be running adds 24/7 calling it? With the way drug companies are gouging consumers and the increasing ACA premiums, we all might be surprised in a few years. There are single payer resources like the PHNP if you want real news on that front.
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Business Gorillas posted:can someone give me a rundown on what exactly happened during the Night of Long Toxxes? It seems like there's still some question if they can rereg or not under new accounts, since it's a political toxx and cutting off a revenue stream in the middle of a fund raising drive is... well...  I wonder if anyone has given Trump some hard truths on the fine line he has to walk if he wants another 4 years.
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Furnaceface posted:Have the Dems failed to train up a single young Dem that can step into Sanders or Warrens shoes when they retire? There are a couple rising stars but they need to make their names known.
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Nevvy Z posted:It seems like there's still some question if they can rereg or not under new accounts, since it's a political toxx and cutting off a revenue stream in the middle of a fund raising drive is... well...
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cheese posted:Step one in getting a Democratic party sweep in 2018 is to troll Trump's twitter account. I will genuinely literally  (not actually literally that's physically impossible) if a new Dem rule starts because somebody corncobbed Trump on Twitter.
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Sharkopath posted:Oh yeah I understand that too, I'm just explaining why some people trusted her over bernie for minority issues originally since it was asked. If we pull back and stop having double standards for a couple seconds it's incredibly obvious why the portion of the democratic base that cared most about class issues felt left out to dry and it boils down to the exact same kind of reasoning minorities had for feeling like sanders was johnny come lately to social issues.
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Obama's legacy now relies on him effectively rebuilding the party and cutting out the fat from the DNC. I'm hopeful that the old guard will concede, and it looks like that's going to happen
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You say that, but wait till we're marching under the golden banner of Pontificus Maximus Constantine Trump.
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Carlosologist posted:Obama's legacy now relies on him effectively rebuilding the party and cutting out the fat from the DNC. I'm hopeful that the old guard will concede, and it looks like that's going to happen I'm pretty old guard and yeah, the old guard got corncobbed really hard and it's time to try something new.
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Nov 12, 2016 05:12
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speng31b posted:No and Trump won't quit. He wants to run the country like a CEO - remember how he started giving all his campaign officials corporate titles? He's going to delegate the presidency and noone will give a poo poo. And just like a CEO, when poo poo gets rough he'll still get his bonus, and won't be forced out. If there was any inclination that he actually wanted the job I'd agree with you. He wants to make money, have his adoring fans cheering for him, and to sleep in his own bed. This is seriously going to interrupt his life outside of making money.
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What do people think about the tensions that are showing. I guess the protests will be over in a week or so. But what about the sudden surge of racism? I mean, I am a straight white dude and it is making me sick to my stomach. I can only try to imagine what it would be for minorities. This will also be over in a week.. right? 
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Also, I don't want to  , but the president holding constant rallies screams nazi or something along those lines at me. I can't be the only one, right?
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Carlosologist posted:Obama's legacy now relies on him effectively rebuilding the party and cutting out the fat from the DNC. I'm hopeful that the old guard will concede, and it looks like that's going to happen I've always had the impression Obama has kind of been trapped between wanting to be the "bipartisan" leader, and a radical. Like he has never really been able to fit.
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fknlo posted:Also, I don't want to He can't hold constant rallies because Congress isn't interested in having to courier every bill that he needs to sign across a continent
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Carlosologist posted:Obama's legacy now relies on him effectively rebuilding the party and cutting out the fat from the DNC. I'm hopeful that the old guard will concede, and it looks like that's going to happen Has he talked about that at all? Before the election it was said he and Holder would be looking at reversing gerrymandering, but is there a way to do that with so little of the government sympathetic to that?
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Electoral College: Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19quote:We are calling on the Electors to ignore their states' votes and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton. Why? We are calling on the electoral college to unleash a civil war in America. Sign here!
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Can Trump fire Pence? Or can he just put him on horrible PR assignments till he quits?
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Fojar38 posted:He can't hold constant rallies because Congress isn't interested in having to courier every bill that he needs to sign across a continent He's gonna try though! quote:His aides say he has also expressed interest in continuing to hold the large rallies that were a staple of his candidacy. He likes the instant gratification and adulation that the cheering crowds provide, and his aides are discussing how they might accommodate his demand.
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Thatim posted:What do people think about the tensions that are showing. I guess the protests will be over in a week or so. But what about the sudden surge of racism? I mean, I am a straight white dude and it is making me sick to my stomach. I can only try to imagine what it would be for minorities. The protests are gonna go on for four years. You must not remember Bush.
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fknlo posted:Also, I don't want to No, holding lots of rallies is what politicians normally do. People compared Trump to the Nazis because of all of the threats of violence or legal action that he made (against dissidents at his rallies, against minorities, against the media, against his opponent, against the loving entire country if he lost, etc) E: oh apparently Trump wants to hold rallies like everyday or something, okay that's pretty weird QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Stereotype posted:Can Trump fire Pence? Or can he just put him on horrible PR assignments till he quits? Nah. The VP has specific duties laid out by the constitution and Trump could make Pence do those boring rear end jobs (presiding over the Senate and being a lame VP) but he can't fire him.
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I really hope Obama becomes the Grand Patriarch of the Democratic Party for the next 30 years. I say this because I'm starting to feel confident that all the gains he made as president are going to go away (tho Trump is walking back healthcare stuff now apparently? So who knows, maybe Trump will be Obama 2.0 because it'll be too boring for Trump to pay attention)
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Pollyanna posted:Also literally none of this theorycrafting about how Trump will gently caress up his presidency matters because the 99% chance is that he will delegate his way through it and let Pence run the show. The only way that he will actually take the presidency seriously enough to set it on fire is if someone riles him up enough to do so through calling him a pussy or something. It doesn't matter how much of the job he delegates to other people, he's still the President and all the blame will rest on him. And he's not the type of guy who will sit back and not rock the boat like GWB did, his fragile ego and constant need for praise and attention means he'll constantly be putting himself at the center of the show. Trump has no idea how stressful, thankless, and miserable it is to be President and it's going to crack him like an egg.
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Pollyanna posted:No it wouldn't. We'd have President Pence. The guy who wants to enforce gay conversion therapy on minors. Yeah, Pence is the real terrifying figure in the presidency, trump's already done most of the damage he could have to social issues just by being elected, everything else will be bog standard republican bullshit that the rest of the primary field would have done while being more sneaky about it. Imagine all of trump's policies being pushed by someone actually politically competent and with 0 chance of showboating for ego rather than just a slim chance
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Nov 12, 2016 05:23
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Lol, he wants to do rallies forever and not live in the White House as much as possible. He really is going to make Pence do everything.
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Non Serviam posted:Electoral College: Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19 On one hand that was what the EC was actually created for.On the other hand yeah that would lead to two years of vicious fighting. Unless someone can prove Trump is a Russian agent we can't do this.
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Maybe trolling Trump isn't a good idea since that's literally why he decided to run in the first place and he seems to just go with whoever he had the last positive interaction with.
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Crowsbeak posted:On one hand that was what the EC was actually created for.On the other hand yeah that would lead to two years of vicious fighting. Unless someone can prove Trump is a Russian agent we can't do this. Like a petition would even work for this. "Well, I was going to follow the vote my state took and quietly do my job and take the check, but holy poo poo a change.org petition!"
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I have been so wrong about things this election that the great electoral revolt of 2016 is now a "hm, well, maybe, guess I'll find out when it happens lol" instead of "no way that'll happen; there's no precedent for it!"
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