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trailery a baoa qu is pretty weak, though the short bit where darryl's prosthetic arm fails him while he's fighting is a pretty good wrap up to where his story arc ends up taking him.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 04:51 |
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ninjewtsu posted:the short bit where darryl's prosthetic arm fails him while he's fighting is a pretty good wrap up to where his story arc ends up taking him.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 04:53 |
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it's fairly good, though for me thunderbolt's best moment is the short scene transition between darryl's hand holding his father's hand, immediate cut to darryl's ruined arm in the exact same position it's just such a brutal sledgehammer of emotion that immediately conveys to the viewer that darryl losing his limbs is more than just a physical impediment, i love it so much
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 04:58 |
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So have we finally found Mara's sister?
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 05:10 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Unicorn ends on another cliffhanger and a message that gets undercut by the existence of everything in the late UC. It might be the end of the Zeon/Federation conflicts (except for the Oldsmobile Army and other NZ uprisings), but the Earth Sphere is still hosed, robbing the Unicorn ending of its value. I kept hoping that Unicorn would acknowledge the late UC, and play it's ending in a more ironic "And nothing bad ever happened again...until F91 " manner. Like a quick cameo from someone in the Ronah family to remind everyone that they're gonna start poo poo in a little over 20 years.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 05:14 |
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There is no point in Unicorn where anyone says or even implies that everything is solved forever. In fact it literally does the opposite and is all about generic belief that someday things will change.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 05:24 |
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ImpAtom posted:There is no point in Unicorn where anyone says or even implies that everything is solved forever. In fact it literally does the opposite and is all about generic belief that someday things will change. You know, you bring this up every time one of us discusses Unicorn's ending. Can I ask how you personally felt about its conclusion?
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 05:58 |
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I think Zeta has a pretty good ending if you ignore the fact that ZZ aired immediately afterwards. It's just massively depressing.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 06:01 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:You know, you bring this up every time one of us discusses Unicorn's ending. Can I ask how you personally felt about its conclusion? I thought it was honestly pretty generic and average.I think it had some strong visual work which helped sell scenes which otherwise amounted to the traditional cynicism vs optimism fight. It isn't my favorite Gundam ending but I also don't think it's a particularly bad one, just a generic and unambitious one. The "Good" Gundam endings to me would be 0080, G, Original and maybe Zeta. Every other one I feel kind of fumbles a bit much and I'd probably go back and forth on Zeta.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 07:51 |
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Hathaway's Flash has a good ending.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 07:54 |
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ImpAtom posted:I thought it was honestly pretty generic and average.I think it had some strong visual work which helped sell scenes which otherwise amounted to the traditional cynicism vs optimism fight. It isn't my favorite Gundam ending but I also don't think it's a particularly bad one, just a generic and unambitious one. While it certainly isn't the worst ending I've seen (loving Flanigan Institute orphans...), Unicorn's ending being such a non-ending still bugs the hell out of me. Did they ever do a follow-up manga or side story to explain what the hell happened after Londo Bell hightailed it out of there with the Federation/Anaheim forces on their tail to try and stop the broadcast?
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 08:21 |
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Is there a purchasable reader version of Origin online? I've moved countries recently and can't really store all the physical books, but I don't see anything on comixology.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 08:34 |
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ImpAtom posted:I thought it was honestly pretty generic and average.I think it had some strong visual work which helped sell scenes which otherwise amounted to the traditional cynicism vs optimism fight. It isn't my favorite Gundam ending but I also don't think it's a particularly bad one, just a generic and unambitious one. Man I really like Zeta's ending. It just ends on this completely somber note that you don't see much on anime nowadays. Kamille goes all out an his mind is destroyed as a result. I'm sorta curious as to what your problem with it is. Edit- maybe I'm biased because I love the soundtrack they use on the last episode and it screws my perception. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNYPryOqyGo
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 08:43 |
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Honestly despite the endings of some of the series, I am surprised at the level of quality most Gundam shows hold to. Even weaker shows like 0083 still have merit to them in spite of their shortcomings.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 08:50 |
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ZZ has the best ending due to most of the cast being smarter than the rest of the franchise and just sayin "gently caress off laterz"
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 09:22 |
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Turn A's ending is incredible and made me experience multiple emotions. There isn't a character i wasn't happy to see there at the end just living life. Zeta ends good too, but gave me one emotion, a hollow despair.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 09:28 |
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The original Gundam had a pretty solid, iconic ending, too.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 09:30 |
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Snooze Cruise posted:Turn A's ending is incredible and made me experience multiple emotions. There isn't a character i wasn't happy to see there at the end just living life. Honestly, I'm surprised Turn A took this long to come up. It had a great final scrap paying off a lot of narrative beats set up earlier, and then it took the time to give the cast a solid denouement rather than just cutting to black. It's also a good franchise ender, much better in that position than G-Reco. All that bloodshed and horror and pain, culminating in a man and a woman in a cabin in the woods. Swords to plowshares over a peaceful, beautiful Earth, whose long lost children have finally returned home.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 11:19 |
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Turn-A is the best Gundam show longer than two cours.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 12:50 |
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Zeta's actual last scene with Kamille comes off as a bit bathetic to me, though I like the idea of what happens there. I think Turn-A is a kind of an average show all around that's really only saved by having a very unique setting for a Gundam series. I do like it though. Raxivace fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Nov 13, 2016 |
# ? Nov 13, 2016 13:57 |
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That Turn A ending gets me choked up every time. If ever a Gundam show stuck the landing it's that one.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 16:35 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF_xpEkg0uA Now, if you'll excuse me
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 17:05 |
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The movie also has a really great ending theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkhF-JIOpUY
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 17:22 |
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a kitten posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF_xpEkg0uA I'm not clicking that because I don't want to be sad.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 18:51 |
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Monaghan posted:Man I really like Zeta's ending. It just ends on this completely somber note that you don't see much on anime nowadays. Kamille goes all out an his mind is destroyed as a result. I'm sorta curious as to what your problem with it is. To be honest, the Emma thing just didn't work for me in a way I really felt soured a lot of the episode. Otherwise I like the episode but I do not think Emma was handled well at all. That's why I go back and forth on it.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 19:25 |
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Emma died to a random rock after beating reccoa
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 19:36 |
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a kitten posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF_xpEkg0uA Now if we can only convince other media outlets (like G Gen and SRW) to remember that Century Color exists.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 20:21 |
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I love the first opening to Turn A too much to have ever given Century Color a real chance. They never should have switched to a second opening.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 21:07 |
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TTBF posted:I love the first opening to Turn A too much to have ever given Century Color a real chance. They never should have switched to a second opening. Agreed. It's a weird one, but between the sound and visuals, that first OP just can't be matched.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 21:33 |
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I've never liked either opening to Turn-A myself. The OST in general never left a strong impression on me...except for "Moon", which is a fantastic piece and is something I regularly listen to.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 21:42 |
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Remind me, what's that really Spielberg track for Dianna's arrival on Earth?
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 22:26 |
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Turn A's soundtrack cribs a lot from the film Patton. This is not a bad thing.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 22:50 |
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That's Memoery of Military Boots, it borrows the tune from the main theme of Patton.
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 23:00 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pArJOr9Ddxs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu11QRO9BrQ dadaa
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# ? Nov 13, 2016 23:00 |
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Raxivace posted:I think Turn-A is a kind of an average show all around that's really only saved by having a very unique setting for a Gundam series. I do like it though. I'm curious why you think that. I figure Turn A does a lot of stuff better than the average. Putting aside the designs (not everyone likes the Syd Mead style... and I just realized that the guy who digs up mobile suits is named Sid Munzer, which doesn't quite feel like a coincidence.) the music and animation style tend towards the gorgeous. The cast is large and dynamic, with everyone developing across the series, even more minor comedy characters like Bruno and Jakop, and the plot goes in directions Gundam almost never does. Something that stood out as a highlight to me, though, was how everything happened because of the characters. Everyone had their own, distinct motives, from Loran's attempts to make everyone shut up, sit down, and get along to Guin's more cynical power plays to Michael Gern's basic "drat MOONIES GET OFF MY LAWN!". Whenever things fell apart, it was because someone, acting in accordance with their existing characterization, made a move that (apparently) advanced their immediate motive at the expense of someone else's long term goals. You could map out everyone's thought processes in scenes, and tell where they were going from that, not standard plot beats. I mean, there was a whole subplot about the struggles of a guy trying to run a bakery in a warzone. You don't get that often. Civilians are supposed to only briefly show up to highlight the tragedy of war or the justice of the heroes's cause. They don't have to worry about bills. Only, well, Keith did. Because Turn A is more interested in showing people than going for the obvious plots. chiasaur11 fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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chiasaur11 posted:I'm curious why you think that. I figure Turn A does a lot of stuff better than the average. Putting aside the designs (not everyone likes the Sid Mead style... and I just realized that the guy who digs up mobile suits is named Sid Munzer, which doesn't quite feel like a coincidence.) the music and animation style tend towards the gorgeous. The cast is large and dynamic, with everyone developing across the series, even more minor comedy characters like Bruno and Jakop, and the plot goes in directions Gundam almost never does. Keith's bakery is another thing I'd only call uncommon for Gundam, but outside of it not so much. That same type of character (People trying to etch out a living doing a job in violent times) is practically a stock archetype in westerns for example- it's just done with bartenders and brothel workers instead of bakers. Even Westworld on HBO pokes fun at this sort of archetype. As far as the music goes, most of it just didn't leave much of an impact on me, outside of "Moon" which I mentioned earlier. The Syd Mead designs I actually really like. The show is well animated, but I would ask how much of that is just praise for the budget being put into it. I won't repeat myself too much from a few weeks ago but I've just never found Tomino's work as a director to be especially strong, though I think he's a bit better here with how he uses moon imagery as effective symbolism...then again, the way he uses it is done in exactly the same way it was used in Gundam X, so perhaps he doesn't deserve special praise for that. I doubt my own doubt though, since Turn A is specifically about past conflicts repeating themselves again so I guess it at least fits thematically. This is all a long winded way of saying that while I don't think Turn A has the critical flaws of other Gundam shows necessarily, I don't find most of the highs it gets praised for by fans to be especially high or notable either. Raxivace fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Sharkopath posted:That's Memoery of Military Boots, it borrows the tune from the main theme of Patton. Nah, there's a different one I'm thinking of. We're talking otherworldly grandeur here.
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 02:54 |
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Raxivace posted:FWIW when I say I think Turn A is an average show, I would also consider a large chunk of the other Gundam series to be below average works. Most of what you're describing in your post is stuff I would simply expect a long form narrative to do, in all honesty. To some extent I would expect recurring characters to develop and/or complexities to be revealed about them, I would expect characters to act consistently, I would expect the characters' actions and the impact they have on others (Or lack thereof) to be relevant to the story being told etc. I'd say finding Turn A being notable for doing this is more of a condemnation of other Gundam series for struggling with this (Such as 0083 just to throw out an example) more than anything. See, I don't get this bit. "Average" isn't that high. I can understand "good" being a reasonably high ceiling, but looking at the amount of sheer dross pumped out every season (not just anime, but for, you know, everything), placing "average" as some distant mountain where every single character in a large cast has an arc, where every beat in the plot derives from the motivations of all concerned rather than from the needs of the script, where the budget is high enough (and the crew is motivated enough) to cover for top shelf animation? gently caress, if that's average, then I've missed a ton of amazing shows over the years. Either that or the handful of "good" shows are so awe-inspiringly brilliant that they compensate for almost everything else not reaching 'basic competence'. As for westerns, first off, to state the incredibly obvious, it's a different genre from war movies. In a Western, the interactions between violent men and the half-civilization half-wilderness that supports them are the whole core of the genre. War movies, they're generally set dressing. Something that ends because the war has started. Not independent agents with their own motives (unless their motive is "I am getting a gun and being in the war" or "No! My child or lover depending on film! You will not be part of the war!"). Giving Keith this whole plotline is pretty uncommon! And, seriously. "It looks good, but that means they paid money for it to look good, so it doesn't count" is just weird reasoning when evaluating a show.
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 03:02 |
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When talking about animation budget it's real important to remember that talent and time available for the animators are typically of much higher concern than how much you're paying, which is definitely still a factor but usually not the most pressing matter.
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Well these shots are all cools as heck. https://twitter.com/Noi_75/status/797925935173537792 https://twitter.com/feezy_feez/status/797923770849595392 Dunno if that's actually Tomino himself however.
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