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teagone posted:That's most definitely case. That particular shot you posted is more representative of the final look for sure, and looks even better in motion. The scenes where she's running on walls and shooting, and power walking through the water don't look as touched up yet. As much as I want to be on your side of the argument, I said the same thing when the first Green Lantern trailer came out 
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Hamelekim posted:I have the feeling that there are a lot of unfinished special effects in the trailer. Yeah that looks way better than the initial "steps out of invis" clip. Most of my problems with that footage is that it just looks to glaring and obviously green screened. But it seems that's getting fixed in the end.
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Inzombiac posted:As much as I want to be on your side of the argument, I said the same thing when the first Green Lantern trailer came out I want to believe.
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Tenzarin posted:I thought his eyes were just something the US did to the Rangers during the War. In GITS, he gets a whole squad to talk to him because he was a ranger. So like a future operation? Japanese GSDF Rangers, to be specific. I believe Boma's another Ranger vet and in near the end of 2nd GIG, you actually see the Rangers unit fighting against, then joining up with, Section 9 for the stolen nuke and they ALL have those shielded cybereyes. Something tells me that movie Batou starts off being largely human (since Togusa is mostly a bit part) and not almost fully-converted as Kusanagi and gets the eyes later in the movie. Phone posted:The 2017 movie is just cribbing stuff from whatever looks cool, so trying to ascribe Batou's history from the movie trailer is an impossible task. Actually, Saito's some death-wish mercenary that Kusanagi hires in ARISE. In fact, that episode of ARISE is painful because of the character interactions, because Kusanagi and Saito put bullets into Batou's renegade crew without knowing who Ishikawa and Boma are, yet spare them because the story requires it. It would probably be more narratively-consistent if Saito shot Boma and then blew off some soldier's cyborg head, which leads to the cyborg soldier pulling off Boma's head and attaching it as a replacement. Aramaki doesn't drop dudes but he does come close to it. The manga actually has him storm into the Section 1 chief's office and pull a gun on him to call off the mission against Kusanagi.
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strategery posted:I am not convinced it is amnesia. Part of the series, specifically with the laughing man storyline which this is apparently partially based on, is people can be hacked into. So there could be something else going on here that isnt apparent. I dont want to rush to judge a plotline before I know it is actually correct or not. I think the movie looks as good as I could have hoped for. Crossing fingers. I wish you the best with that, but if amnesia was a plot device halfway through the story I doubt they'd have put it in the trailer. After Avatar and Dragonball evolution, they're gonna have to prove this movie doesn't suck rather than the other way around.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:I wish you the best with that, but if amnesia was a plot device halfway through the story I doubt they'd have put it in the trailer. After Avatar and Dragonball evolution, they're gonna have to prove this movie doesn't suck rather than the other way around. Yeah, I'm still feeling like it'll be Aeon Flux The Movie 2 unless a really impressive trailer comes out. Definitely isn't getting any benefit of the doubt from me at least.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:It seems like there's a weird amnesia aspect to the story now? That's a little bit more than just messing around with her background a bit, and it makes me think they didn't think what was there already would be enough for audiences, and that makes me think it's going to not be well received because it'll be a bunch of the audience going "what's all this weird poo poo, why isn't she shooting anyone" and a small corner of them going "what the gently caress did they do to the story?" This is adapted from the second tv series. Part of the Major's personal story in that is that she has no memories from her life from before becoming a full body cyborg, her earliest remaining memories are of a person she met as she was recovering from the process, a guy named Kuze. The guy speaking at the end of the trailer is Kuze.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Yeah, I'm still feeling like it'll be Aeon Flux The Movie 2 unless a really impressive trailer comes out. Definitely isn't getting any benefit of the doubt from me at least. Is it really fair to compare Aeon Flux MTV jerk bait to GITS? Name one good Aeon Flux story. Now The Maxx, that was a show.
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Bugblatter posted:Yeah the screenplay is running with the Kuze arch, which was laid down by Oshii and also featured reworked versions of the iconic action sequences from his films. 2nd Gig is probably the best place to look to get an idea of what this movie will be like. Seemlar posted:This is adapted from the second tv series. Part of the Major's personal story in that is that she has no memories from her life from before becoming a full body cyborg, her earliest remaining memories are of a person she met as she was recovering from the process, a guy named Kuze. Interesting. I've never watch SAC. Guess I should get around to doing that. I've only ever watched the two films. Is ARISE worth looking at as well?
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Bugblatter posted:That trailer looks a lot better than I expected. It doesn't look like "my" GitS, but it does look like a movie I will go see. "My" GitS is what everyone appears to be looking for, and couldn't be more obvious that everyone's is different. Watching people try to take down the movie, mostly with criticisms I'd expect from 13-year-olds, has been something else.
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SAC is definitely worth watching. That new trailer gives me some hope but the fact that they're throwing in the Geishas from Innocence and what looks like a snippet of the water canal fight from the first GITS makes me wonder how much a clusterfucked mashup this thing is going to be. Trying to hold out hope. 
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teagone posted:Interesting. I've never watch SAC. Guess I should get around to doing that. I've only ever watched the two films. Is ARISE worth looking at as well? I personally think SAC is a way better watch than the two movies, so, yeah, definitely watch it. Not that I don't like the movie, but GitS is definitely something I feel like I appreciate more than viscerally enjoy. I didn't think much of ARISE though.
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Tenzarin posted:Is it really fair to compare Aeon Flux MTV jerk bait to GITS? Name one good Aeon Flux story. Now The Maxx, that was a show. If you were jerking it to Aeon Flux then you probably get some help. Besides, imagine if there was a live action The Maxx that was as bad as an adaption as the live action Aeon Flux.  teagone posted:Interesting. I've never watch SAC. Guess I should get around to doing that. I've only ever watched the two films. Is ARISE worth looking at as well? SAC is very good but has a couple lovely filler episodes. Not that many, maybe 2 or 3 over the two seasons? There's also the film Solid State Society, I remember enjoying that one. Arise is okay but it's definitely not as good as SAC. It's worth watching if you just want more GitS though.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Besides, imagine if there was a live action The Maxx that was as bad as an adaption as the live action Aeon Flux. Not possible.
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DeusExMachinima posted:SAC is definitely worth watching. GitS at this point has had at least four wildly different incarnations (you could argue six given how much the style shifts between the both the first and second movies and the first and second seasons), three of which have huge fanbases. Matching everyone's idea of GitS is pretty impossible. Taking the strongest elements of the two most popular incarnations (Oshii's films and SAC) and merging them seems like the closest a studio could hope to come, and drawing from the second season of the show makes sense since that's the closest the two styles have been blended thus far. I can't really see the problem with using elements like the geishas or thermoptic canal fight since that's the kind of thing every incarnation of GitS has done. The first film was a collection of unrelated sequences from the comics that Oshii Frankensteined together around one plot that matched his own philosophical musings. 2nd Gig remixed several of Oshii's versions of the same scenes. It's only fitting that a new adaptation would do the same. I'm still skeptical since I'm not a fan of the director's previous work and am unsure that he can rework these scenes with half the taste that Oshii did, but the concept itself is sound.
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I was kind of dreading this but the trailer has me cautiously optimistic. I really only remember the original film, innocence, and have vague recollections of watching SAC over a decade ago, so I'm pretty open to whatever they choose to do with it. DeusExMachinima posted:That new trailer gives me some hope but the fact that they're throwing in the Geishas from Innocence and what looks like a snippet of the water canal fight from the first GITS makes me wonder how much a clusterfucked mashup this thing is going to be. Trying to hold out hope. Thats definitely a fear I have as well, but I have to say I really like how the creepy geishas translated in live action. A lot of the visual elements we see in the trailer are pretty nice, and the only time I really got taken out of things was by how rough/bad that canal fight looked. I went from writing it off to being cautiously optimistic though, so maybe the trailer did its job?
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Is there a trailer for the original movie floating around? I don't know if it captured the tone and and the encompassing religious feeling the film had, but this trailer sure doesn't, and it seems overly occupied with action, but that's just a marketing thing. The 95 movie was dripping with grime while the trailer seems to go back and forth between CGI cityscapes, sterile sets and dark, wet alleys. While there are some location shots, overall I'm getting a SW-prequely vibe from this. Which I guess is why people are bringing up Ultraviolet, since that is a movie that indulges on the artificial sterility of itself. There are good things about it as well, like the cast: Johanssen was a good choice and Takashi is unbeatable, even if the lines in the trailer are ho-hum. The photography is great, and everything to do with the monks is making me hopefully for a more thoughtful and deliberate movie that what they're pushing with all the action (which isn't all bad, I saw a practical squib which is getting rarer).
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dont even fink about it posted:"My" GitS is what everyone appears to be looking for, and couldn't be more obvious that everyone's is different. Watching people try to take down the movie, mostly with criticisms I'd expect from 13-year-olds, has been something else. I'm weird, it visually looks great to me and when I see the action scenes it totally looks like "my" gits, other than obvious touch ups needed here and there. It's the bits of plot they've shown so far that make me a little worried, because if they turn this thing into an amnesia action movie it's kind of missing the entire point of gits, sort of. It can definitely be part of it, but if they make it the main focus? I hope it looks good enough and does well enough that people might take this sort of thing more seriously. I'm just not sure it will is all.
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FuturePastNow posted:all those guns and no Mateba Have you seen what they cost these days? 
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FuturePastNow posted:all those guns and no Mateba Not even a Chiappa Rhino, which are basically Mateba revolvers since Mateba went out of business. The thing that gets me is that Tavor SMG they have looks bulky as poo poo. Those are genuinely guns that look like they should be fighting cyborgs and space aliens and they're occasionally used for that.
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I really dislike how they are going the cliche route of acting as though being turned into a cyborg is some horrible thing is really pushed in the trailer. In the GiTS universe, basically the only downside to being a cyborg is that maintenance is really expensive, and you become vulnerable to hacking. Togusa is an outlier with his opinions on being a cyborg, and even he has the brain implant. There are tons of more interesting themes to explore.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:I really dislike how they are going the cliche route of acting as though being turned into a cyborg is some horrible thing is really pushed in the trailer. In the GiTS universe, basically the only downside to being a cyborg is that maintenance is really expensive, and you become vulnerable to hacking. Togusa is an outlier with his opinions on being a cyborg, and even he has the brain implant. There are tons of more interesting themes to explore. On the other hand, American audiences are dumb
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Hey since this is popular can some people clear this up for me how influential was the creator of Ghost in the Shell's original work to GiTS franchise now. I have only seen both seasons of Stand Alone Complex which I love and the first movie which I had a very hard time following. The only thing I know about the original manga is that the author basically hosed off to drawiing exclusively hentai. Did the heavy themes and setting come from the manga or was it just something the movie expanded on. Sorry if Im disrespecting a great artist, just ignorant.
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The manga is pretty good, the themes tend to revolve around what makes you an actual person. So far there's only a couple things I'm really not liking, Batou's hair is bad and the Major's thermoptic suit looks like poo poo. Otherwise it might be okayish. O poo poo I just realized there's no Fuchikomas, shameful! Dreadwroth fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Sinners Sandwich posted:Hey since this is popular can some people clear this up for me how influential was the creator of Ghost in the Shell's original work to GiTS franchise now. I have only seen both seasons of Stand Alone Complex which I love and the first movie which I had a very hard time following. The only thing I know about the original manga is that the author basically hosed off to drawiing exclusively hentai. The manga artist did talk about the heavy themes but the manga was more about slapstick comedy and big guns. The movies introduced the artsy and melancholy tone.
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Improbable Lobster posted:The films are so much better than the manga that it's crazy that they're related at all. Yeah, and then there's Shiros other work, especially the later stuff, being really....well pervy and hosed up. I'm glad the movies and tv shows were only based on his idea and not controlled by him.
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HIJK posted:He did contribute script ideas to the first season of SAC apparently. Yeah, but much like Lucas is being most useful when you have a room of people to shut down his worst ideas, I'm glad he wasn't in control. He has good ideas, they just seem to get wrapped up with really bad ones more often than I'd like.
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HIJK posted:He did contribute script ideas to the first season of SAC apparently. Were they direct contributions or just some more ideas adapted from the manga? A few of the SAC episodes were very similar to chapters of the manga that the movies didn't touch on.
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