Lumberjack Bonanza posted:

that is literally the scenario you provided for why whites may have voted for trump besides being racists

Baron Corbyn posted:

Oh, I thought you were saying that you thought I viewed the world that way. It's not so simplistic as that. I'm talking about the people in the rust belt who've been voting Democrat for decades but didn't think that Clinton offered them anything personally, so went for the guy that is going to be really lovely for everybody else but promised them their manufacturing jobs back. Still a racist decision, but not motivated by racism and remedied by not coupling social and economic liberalism and leaving economic populist rhetoric to the fascist.

neongrey posted:

Obama proved you can appeal to rust belt voters without packaging naked racism into the platform.

The Vosgian Beast posted:

So this is just a D&D thread now, huh

divabot posted:

Let's get back on topic! This is apparently a college propaganda kit from The Right Stuff:



Could this be ... the return of KOANIC SOUL??

divabot posted:

Let's get back on topic! This is apparently a college propaganda kit from The Right Stuff:



Could this be ... the return of KOANIC SOUL??

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Is Trump a thal, a cro-mag, or a melonhead

Annointed posted:

Not empty quoting, actually I want to add my own two cents of "c'mon fellow goons stop calling the Trump supporters racist you're just making things worse for me the pale faced goon."

Really dudes? Are you really loving going that progressive apologetic route? What's next? I'm supposed to hold hands and sing kumbaya with people who if this election was done in the 1960's -70's would have salivated to turn my home country into a blazing inferno? I'm the loving bad guy for not wanting to consolidate with people who treat my ethnicity as either a beat stick against other minorities one moment and then a menace at their own convenience huh?

How about instead we don't compromise with people that want nothing less than to oppress/enslave/genocide minorities?

Lumberjack Bonanza posted:

He wasn't hiding his bigotry behind high-minded ideology or even bog standard dog whistles. His promises about fixing the economy were bullshit to even cursory inspection, but all he needed was some fuckheaded excuse to get closet racists out to the polls.

I don't think you know as much about the Rust Belt as you think if you believe it's full of working class whites who were just kind allies to minorities before suddenly some threshold was reached where they were just that desperate. If you throw out social policies as a way to appeal to middle class whites you simply aren't getting social policies, ever.

Gorn Myson posted:

With this perspective, you've boiled down your options to "revolution, probably through violent means" or "gently caress it, I'm leaving this shithole". Because you've just given up on a large part the country by boxing them up under a single label and dismissing any and all perspectives they've have. So you're at a dead end, because option one will never happen.

Annointed posted:

Judging by the fact the the popular vote is Clinton

You are full of poo poo thinking they are the silent majority.

Gorn Myson posted:

What do you think the DNC should do for the next election.

I reckon they should bring in someone who will just call that "silent majority" a bunch of cunts and call it a day.

divabot posted:

Let's get back on topic! This is apparently a college propaganda kit from The Right Stuff:



Could this be ... the return of KOANIC SOUL??

Annointed posted:

Oh huh

How about actually being progressive and kick out the corporatist pussies who have shown their incompetence?

Nice for you to consider racists the majority when that is clearly shown to be a sack of lies

Gorn Myson posted:

And yeah I don't consider racists to be the majority. And I'm English mate. I voted to remain. I've seen first hand and spoken to a lot of people who saw that vote as a gently caress you to the political establishment, and were willing to overlook the inherent racism of the people promoting the leave argument because the gently caress you was too irresistible to ignore.

divabot posted:

And yet all the pro-Brexiters I communicate with in any way since then appear to also be xenophobic racists! Truly, the workings of sheer coincidence are remarkable.

like, I know literally one who even admitted after advocating and voting "leave" that it was the stupidest thing ever with stupendously damaging effects, and had realised this when Farage admitted an hour after the vote had been called that the NHS £350m/week had been utter lies. They're still a xenophobe, of course. Pure coincidence, though!

I'm sure they're not really really racist xenophobes when you examine their soul with your soul spectrometer. They just have no problem siding with the literal Nazis who murder opposition politicians literally in the street in their cause, there's no reason that should give them the slightest second thought, it's absolutely nothing to do with Brexit even though it literally was. The raging xenophobes and racists all around the entire issue for its entire history are certainly nothing they could have been expected to take into consideration.

Gorn Myson posted:

I like how you keep slapping these "I love racists, xenophobes etc" arguments to me when I haven't written anything like that.

The option I would present is "politicians have lied to these people about the causes of their ills, lets build a positive campaign by directing them to solutions that would benefit them in reality, as opposed to the right wing fan-fiction version of reality where all the bad things in the world are caused by people who aren't the same colour as me or don't gently caress the same gender that I do". Your option is "vote for me, I'm totally progressive, if you don't vote for me then you hate blacks, gays, latinos and women". So you want Hilary Clinton again.

divabot posted:

The Vosgian Beast posted:

So this is just a D&D thread now, huh

Sax Solo posted:

https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/798282581120675840

divabot posted:

Let's get back on topic! This is apparently a college propaganda kit from The Right Stuff:



Could this be ... the return of KOANIC SOUL??

Jeff the Mediocre posted:

Oh gently caress I saw the first two posters today on my campus. They were taped to lampposts.

Pulled those fuckers down.

quote:

Libidinising "flows" and investing them with an intrinsically subversive power, Deleuze & Guattari have been criticised as incorrigible Romantics. CCRU develop this element of A Thousand Plateaus into a kind of mystic-materialism. Discussing what CCRU call "Gothic Materialism" ("ferro-vampiric" cultural activity which flirts with the inorganic and walks the "flatline" between life and death), Anna Greenspan talks about how "the core of the earth is made of iron, and blood contains iron", about how the goal is to "hook up with the Earth's metal plasma core, which is the Body-Without-Organs". Body-without-Organs (B-w-O) is the Deleuzian utopia, an inchoate flux of deterritorialised energy; Greenspan says they take the B-w-O as "an ethical injunction", a supreme goal.

quote:

Not only do OD reckon Charles Manson had some good ideas, their East London HQ contains several cages of snakes--proof of their determination to get really serious about voodoo rites. The obsession was sparked by Gibson's Count Zero, in which cyberspace has spontaneously generated entities equivalent to the loa (the spirit-gods of voudun cosmology). Throughout the interview, a shaven-headed OD member called Rich sits with baby boa constrictors wrapped around his body. His other contribution to the evening is to make some sandwiches--daintily quartered, but containing peanut butter mixed with sardines. "Too radical for me", I confess after one nibble. Rich's eyes light up triumphantly: Mind-Game Over.

Sax Solo posted:

https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/798282581120675840

Annointed posted:

"With this perspective, you've boiled down your options to "revolution, probably through violent means" or "gently caress it, I'm leaving this shithole". Because you've just given up on a large part the country by boxing them up under a single label and dismissing any and all perspectives they've have. So you're at a dead end, because option one will never happen."

A loving hem. Again you keep pushing the narrative that these people are the majority and therefore we should cowtow to them. Not to mention that they have consistently voted against their own interests, so in the interest of literally everyone else, how about gently caress 'em, we go on with progress, they can be dragged along kicking and screaming if they want or be left in the dust.

Gorn Myson posted:

They aren't the majority but they're voters and voters are there to be persuaded. You probably aren't going to get those old school die hard Republicans won over to your side, but you've got a good chance of people to vote for their actual interests provided you build a good campaign around those ideas and push them heavily enough. The reason why they vote against those ideas is because they've been mislead. So lead them back to the better path. Alternatively you could just throw your hands up, tell them they're a bunch of loving idiots and then make some vague talk about progress and pat yourself on the back for good work.

I Killed GBS posted:

Something that also changed between 2012 and now was the gutting of the Voting Rights Act. A good chunk of this victory is due to voter suppression. Over 300,000 people were prevented from voting in NC, enough to easily turn the state blue. And Wisconsin also has voter ID laws, which is another state which cost Hillary the election. You also have the narrative of "BOTH CANDIDATES ARE EQUALLY BAD" which people have been floating for 9+ months, which helped increase the number of ballots with no vote for president.

There was no single factor here, and it's irritating to see people claim the message we should take away from this is that we should try to be more accommodating of bigotry.

divabot posted:

And yet all the pro-Brexiters I communicate with in any way since then appear to also be xenophobic racists! Truly, the workings of sheer coincidence are remarkable.

like, I know literally one who even admitted after advocating and voting "leave" that it was the stupidest thing ever with stupendously damaging effects, and had realised this when Farage admitted an hour after the vote had been called that the NHS £350m/week had been utter lies. They're still a xenophobe, of course. Pure coincidence, though!

I'm sure they're not really really racist xenophobes when you examine their soul with your soul spectrometer. They just have no problem siding with the literal Nazis who murder opposition politicians literally in the street in their cause, there's no reason that should give them the slightest second thought, it's absolutely nothing to do with Brexit even though it literally was. The raging xenophobes and racists all around the entire issue for its entire history are certainly nothing they could have been expected to take into consideration.

ate all the Oreos posted:

I somehow completely missed this but Hugo Award Nominated Author Chuck Tingle is doing a kickstarter with Zoe Quinn to make a FMV game and it's got 25 hours to go:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/703752115/kickstarted-in-the-butt-a-chuck-tingle-digital-adv

e: I just noticed the funding goal was $69,420

quote:

Our exquisitely handcrafted smut puts the anal in artisanal.

quote:

We’re also including a Kitten Mode, where sexual situations will be replaced by footage of kittens playing. If you wish, you may also engage Kitten Mode on its own, just to watch some kittens playing, because why not.

pookel posted:

Would buy just for this:


(I have a dream where someone mods The Binding of Isaac to replace gross situations with kittens, flowers, and rainbows, partly because it would be hilarious and partly because then I could play it.)

ate all the Oreos posted:

I really wanted to look for other explanations too but I must have watched hundreds of "let's get the people's opinion!" bits from all sorts of different news outlets randomly accosting everyday people in Britain and every single person who said they were going to/had voted to leave, both before and after the actual vote, had immigration as either their first or second priority, and most of them also said things like "it's getting to the point where in some areas of England you can't even hear people speaking English anymore!!!"

ate all the Oreos posted:

I'd totally play that too, I've kinda strayed away from BoI since despite it being a good game from what people tell me I just can't stand that particular vein of grimdark-cute indie game bullshit and i'm real glad indie gaming seems to have gotten over that fad

pookel posted:

I don't have a philosophical problem with the grimdark per se, I just cannot sit through that much splattering poop, blood, snot, dead things, rotting things, body parts, etc, etc. without wanting to vomit after a couple of minutes. Especially with the squelchy sound effects. My kid plays it and loves it, but I try to be out of the room.

Improbable Lobster posted:

BoI is the most Newgrounds thing ever.