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Lastgirl posted:someone? He did it himself because thats what happens when you are completely wasted and nothing matters~ Pissing yourself merely negates the question of whether there is any reason not to piss yourself.
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Powercrazy posted:Law Enforcement is a huge issue that even Bernie isn't strong enough on. The most you see from various parties is deification of cops, never will you see the word "accountability." You'll see "training" as if the police possess some sort of childlike innocence, and just gosh darn it, don't realize they aren't supposed to kill people. You'll see plenty of condemnation of "cop killers" as if that is a thing that happens with any regularity. You'll hear about the pressures of the job and that's way they kill over 1000 people a year, most under dubious circumstances, and finally you''ll see them referred to as "only human" as if them randomly killing people is just an unsolvable problem part of the human condition. Even the progressive wing is terrible on policing. Garcia in the Chicago mayoral race last year had hiring more cops as one of the main planks of his platform. America's love for the police is scary.
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Peel posted:i'm a british socialist here because it's interesting, important and akin to recent events in my country (the price of being a metropole is foreigners butting in). i paid little attention to the clinton campaign because it was a generic left-neoliberal operation of no special interest. i believe in democratic control of the means of production and consider increasing inequality a perilous threat to humanity in the longer term. i've said nothing whatsoever to suggest an affinity for neoliberalism besides thinking that anti-racist politics are important and powercrazy is accusing me of opposing a raise in the minimum wage, for some reason I'm referring to the neo-liberal aspects of clinton's platform. I'm bringing them up as an example of what not to do. Throughout the general election Clinton offered feel-good messages with not substance. "Love Trumps Hate" I loving terrible slogan since it has Trump's name right in the middle of it. But other then how bad the campaign was at it, I have not thing against positive messaging. But if that is all you have? That's a huge problem! You can't eat good-feelings and when the last 8 years have destroyed your family, you need something for that, Hillary had nothing.
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when it came up in the negrotown thread in d&d there was an entertaining split between older posters talking about healthcare and the 'superpredators' thing, while younger posters complaining that they had just been told they were supposed to like clinton without anyone explaining why
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mrmcd posted:I suspect that for older black voters it has a lot to do with long term relationships a person has to their political organizations and the surrogates that can vouch for them, and Clinton did that better, while Bernie was this guy who just showed up out of no where.
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Peel posted:when it came up in the negrotown thread in d&d there was an entertaining split between older posters talking about healthcare and explaining the 'superpredators' thing, while younger posters complaining that they had just been told they were supposed to like clinton without anyone explaining why Yaas queen believed she deserved to have votes, Bernie believe he had to actually earn votes.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Anyone iffy about using "white working class" is dumb. Each group of people have different needs throughout their community and come from different backgrounds. I say this as a minority. I agree with others that we need economic policies that cross all lines. This. IIRC young adults of all races overwhelmingly went for Bernie.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I mean there's these. "Stop talking about race" is a really loving poor solution that will only screw over minorities to appeal to people who probably won't switch sides anyway. I'm sorry I'm not combing the thread for pages of examples when I'm talking about a more general trend that exists beyond SA? You are desperately searching for hints of racism in your own ranks so you can poison the well by denouncing their sinful nature and suppress meaningful criticism of the trainwreck that is the Democratic party, which is the same strategy you used to shut down criticisms of Hillary. You are the poster child party dem who learned nothing this week.
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Extremely intelligent person: Voting for Trump is a vote for racism and anti-environmentalism *climbs into electric car manufactured in some of the most brutal conditions in a developed nation and speeds off*
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Powercrazy posted:Law Enforcement is a huge issue that even Bernie isn't strong enough on. The most you see from various parties is deification of cops, never will you see the word "accountability." You'll see "training" as if the police possess some sort of childlike innocence, and just gosh darn it, don't realize they aren't supposed to kill people. You'll see plenty of condemnation of "cop killers" as if that is a thing that happens with any regularity. You'll hear about the pressures of the job and that's way they kill over 1000 people a year, most under dubious circumstances, and finally you''ll see them referred to as "only human" as if them randomly killing people is just an unsolvable problem part of the human condition. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3wKzyIN1yk Your of course right cops are bad because they are bad to start with and most people who aren't assholes don't stay very long. The whole institution is hosed from top to bottom. Zythrst has issued a correction as of 03:35 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Peel posted:when it came up in the negrotown thread in d&d there was an entertaining split between older posters talking about healthcare and the 'superpredators' thing, while younger posters complaining that they had just been told they were supposed to like clinton without anyone explaining why The reality is because the current youth are those who grew up with the Clinton administration and their spiritual successors and saw that they did jack squat for long term change. For example, not only are schools still terrible, but they are always the first to shut down whenever a budget crisis occurs. The mass incarceration makes them really mad, and this is included in places with a huge crime surge currently going on such as Milwaukee. The younger black generation, from my distant observation seems much more "radical" so to speak. If you took a generation of people who's politics formed at the time of the Congressional Black Caucus and another that grew up with Black Lives Matter, it's pretty obvious to see which candidate these two groups would vote for.
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jackofarcades posted:Bernie didn't connect with a lot of POC voters in the primary and we gotta figure out why if he's going to be leading the charge going forward. He's an old yankee Jew, the Clintons were from the drat South, the majority of Black leaders were #wither, and it was believed that Obama tacitly supported the Clinton campaign. Also Southern states are large and well-populated, unliked the midwest which is large and sparsely populated. It takes a long rear end time to visit every community in the South, which is what Bernie would have had to do just so people would know who the hell he was. He didn't have time.
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Like anybody in Ireland read Chaucer.
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Mr. Jive posted:You are desperately searching for hints of racism in your own ranks so you can poison the well by denouncing their sinful nature and suppress meaningful criticism of the trainwreck that is the Democratic party, which is the same strategy you used to shut down criticisms of Hillary. Thank you for articulating my thoughts so perfectly.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:This. IIRC young adults of all races overwhelmingly went for Bernie. punk rebel ecks posted:The reality is because the current youth are those who grew up with the Clinton administration and their spiritual successors and saw that they did jack squat for long term change. For example, not only are schools still terrible, but they are always the first to shut down whenever a budget crisis occurs. The mass incarceration makes them really mad, and this is included in places with a huge crime surge currently going on such as Milwaukee. The younger black generation, from my distant observation seems much more "radical" so to speak. If you took a generation of people who's politics formed at the time of the Congressional Black Caucus and another that grew up with Black Lives Matter, it's pretty obvious to see which candidate these two groups would vote for. Maybe young black people did a cursory google search and saw that Hillary Clinton was campaigning for Barry loving Goldwater while Bernie was busy getting arrested at anti-segregation protests. Maybe the media should have done a little push-back on the Bernie not connecting with POC narrative.
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Also as long as we're adding planks to our new platform, I think one of them should be: "Vote for us and Yoko Ono will never do this again" https://twitter.com/yokoono/status/797187458505080834
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Nov 15, 2016 03:37
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Trump supporters attacked the cast of SV at a LA bar and got thrown out https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/12/kumail-nanjiani-thomas-middleditch-trump-supporters
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Has this thread already discussed how Dems may look dumb if they condemn people who voted for Trump as monsters after they ran a candidate that voted for a terrible war?
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etalian posted:Trump supporters attacked the cast of SV at a LA bar and got thrown out lol
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To be fair, I also wish to assault the cast of Silicon Valley
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AngryBooch posted:Maybe young black people did a cursory google search and saw that Hillary Clinton was campaigning for Barry loving Goldwater while Bernie was busy getting arrested at anti-segregation protests. Maybe the media should have done a little push-back on the Bernie not connecting with POC narrative. this reminds me of one of the best burns in c-spam. I'm sadly forced to paraphrase cause I don't know where the gently caress it is at this point: "God forbid a teenager make a bad decision and then learn from it." "Yeah, but it's too bad she didn't think black teenagers should be able to do the same."
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I would really, really like it if the reasons Bernie didn't connect with older black voters was all poo poo that wasn't his fault. It would make our jobs a whole lot easier.
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Atrocious Joe posted:Has this thread already discussed how Dems may look dumb if they condemn people who voted for Trump as monsters after they ran a candidate that voted for a terrible war? The most important part of the autopsy thread is the DNC needs self-awareness. Not "Wokeness," not "memes" but self-reflection. Why was a New York senator, the candidate of Wall St, supposed to be the savior of the party of the people?
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iospace posted:Maddow about to have a new DNC Chair candidate on. Boom. Bernie Sanders out of no where.
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etalian posted:Trump supporters attacked the cast of SV at a LA bar and got thrown out You can't say "cuck" out loud in real life. Just like you don't say "epic fail." What is wrong with people? Stop speaking Internet in the real world.
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In the autopsies of the Dem campaign has anyone come across where "America is great because America is good" came from? I mean what the hell even was that?
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iospace posted:Maddow about to have a new DNC Chair candidate on. I'm getting pretty pissed about what I'm seeing now.
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jackofarcades posted:I would really, really like it if the reasons Bernie didn't connect with older black voters was all poo poo that wasn't his fault. It would make our jobs a whole lot easier. Honestly bad strategy is probably as good an excuse as any. He should have been campaigning and reaching out to those voters earlier.
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etalian posted:Trump supporters attacked the cast of SV at a LA bar and got thrown out Am I wrong for thinking the two actors are total sissies? quote:
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Atrocious Joe posted:What Dems go further than Bernie helping out PoC though? He was iffy starting off the presidential campaign but by the end the campaign seems to have internalized a lot of the criticism into their platform. He was really poo poo in actually contacting black voters in particular, but I don't know what mainstream Dem policy planks he rejected. He was never like, hated by black voters during the primary or anything. Hillary just ran a better campaign with them. She's not totally incompetent.
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jackofarcades posted:I would really, really like it if the reasons Bernie didn't connect with older black voters was all poo poo that wasn't his fault. It would make our jobs a whole lot easier. my theory has always been that while they liked bernie, hillary was viewed as the safer option
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punk rebel ecks posted:The reality is because the current youth are those who grew up with the Clinton administration and their spiritual successors and saw that they did jack squat for long term change. They had a long term plan, but change was certainly not part it. LegoPirateNinja posted:He's an old yankee Jew, the Clintons were from the drat South, the majority of Black leaders were #wither, and it was believed that Obama tacitly supported the Clinton campaign. They weren't wrong. The fact is that Bernie wasn't allowed a chance. I kind of think that any discussion about anyone rejecting his message is merely hypothetical and not really forward thinking and therefore not terribly productive. He was chewed up by a propaganda machine and not allowed to test his message on the larger scale. On the other hand, reading this discussion all day has left my head throbbing and my capacity for original thought has noticeably fallen, so feel free to ignore me.
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Jamie Harrison is going to run for DNC Chair. He's the SC Democrats chair Speaking of SC: wear the armband, boosted
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lmao its the podesta group lobbyist ahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Raskolnikov38 posted:so who was the dark horse DNC chair candidate supposedly announcing on maddow tonight Jaime Harrison.... yea. Maddow has been such poo poo for so long now. Oh well, she was pretty good in 2012 I guess.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao its the podesta group lobbyist ahahahahahahahahahahaha Want to make bets if he gets asked about it?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao its the podesta group lobbyist ahahahahahahahahahahaha America dislikes Satanists more than Muslims so I think Ellison has the advantage here
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