Beachcomber posted:I just saw this thing on Facebook. Some people want to make wearing a safety pin a thing to indicate solidarity with oppressed people. Apparently this is worse than being a Trump supporter? its garbage slacktivism and IMO infantilizes marginalized groups (I dunno about you but when I think of safety pins the first thing I think of are diapers) Best case it's some dope who means well putting something on to let everyone know they're One Of The Good Ones, at worst it's a bigot disguising themselves so they can get close toward a target I wouldn't say it's worse than being a Trump supporter but A. if you're going to be supportive toward the oppressed why not just be supportive, and B. the virtue signaling involved is the toothless kind of faux-activism that got us here
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Beachcomber posted:I just saw this thing on Facebook. Some people want to make wearing a safety pin a thing to indicate solidarity with oppressed people. Apparently this is worse than being a Trump supporter? I can understand people's frustration with that stuff- I've mostly rolled my eyes at it and moved on but yeah. I don't think it's that they're the wrong kind of liberals or get them out of the party- but the act just speaks to how decayed any sort of lived political involvement is for most people. Vote, and forget about it. Donate and forget. Change your FB picture and forget. The Democratic party was just exposed as the House of Usher and people are worried about coming up with the smallest, most subtle sign they can make to show they're against hate. I'm not a huge fan of the anti-Trump protests at the moment, but at least they are acts that require effort and courage. Safety Pins is, like, thoughts and prayers level engagement.
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I'd really like to know what to do to help. I can handle a gun or carry a sign. I just don't know where to begin applying either of those things. Are there memos? Emails?
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Quick who has images of that inspirational hillary children's book Edit: Nevermind, here it is 
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Apraxin posted:my unimportant thoughts at 3am after finally catching up on the thread: I'm sure we've been over and over again, but I understand lots of people are rightly scared right now, so let me repeat it: No one is advocating for abandoning social justice or throwing minorities or immigrants under the bus, and we should continue to resist in every way possible efforts to do that from either side. You can run the most pro-LGBT, pro-minority, pro-immigrant candidate in history, however, and still lose if your economic message is "things are great and getting better in coastal cities!"
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To make an analogy, since this is the autopsy thread, and the reason lots of us are frustrated about 'identity politics' chat. Image if we're doing a real autopsy and some of us are standing here going "well it clearly looks like liver failure. The liver is a half dead mess and all this other evidence X, Y, and Z of liver failure." Then there's people standing next to us yelling "Why are you ignoring the heart and lungs?! The guy who was just elected is advocating for mandatory cigarettes and transfat fried food in every elementary school!" and we're like "ok that's clearly a very bad idea, let's do everything we can from letting him do that, but we have the healthiest heart and lungs ever seen on a corpse."
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Nov 15, 2016 13:27
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:I can understand people's frustration with that stuff- I've mostly rolled my eyes at it and moved on but yeah. I just want to know how many people are posting pictures of safety pins but only roll their eyes when someone around them says something sexist or bigoted. It's cool to offer support but it takes action to actually live in a world that is safer for people who are still often marginalized.
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Majorian posted:Well, but that's my point: Trump promised them their old jobs, or something very similar to their old jobs. He promised that protectionist policies and bullying America's trade partners would bring the old manufacturing jobs back to the Rust Belt. He doesn't have a plan for making good on this promise, and he doesn't seem to have one for bringing new types of jobs back to the Rust Belt, either. Trump's strategy for bringing back the jobs, as expressed on the campaign trail, is basically as follows: It won him the election. It's really not that hard to grasp why his message was better in every way. There's a lot to learn from him, and a lot to dismiss from the Hillbots. white sauce has issued a correction as of 14:28 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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GlyphGryph posted:Yeah loving tell me about it, this is loving horrible. I'm very, very lucky to live in MA - they apparently have this poo poo on lockdown. Well, except for the part where the Mass Dems website is still plastered with "hey everyone make sure you vote" and the last "weekly column" that was posted is dated June 08 and a bunch of the contact info isn't terribly up to date. Also I'm having trouble finding anything at the county level - but then I'm in Worcester County, which is arguably the reddest chunk of this true blue state, so.
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:I can understand people's frustration with that stuff- I've mostly rolled my eyes at it and moved on but yeah. In a world where u go outside and aren't a sweaty 300 pound man it's helpful to know that at least one person on the train with you has a < 50% chance of groping you and calling a slut but I agree the practicality goes out the window when all you do is drool bbq sauce onto a keyboard 24/7
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logikv9 posted:You have to be pretty delusional to think that Podesta was disparaging Ecuadorian cuisine. But hey if you have a drug farm there maybe you grow to like that cuisine quickly!! I can tell you havent tasted Ecuadorian cuisine.
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Guacamayo posted:I can tell you havent tasted Ecuadorian cuisine. I'd rather eat ceviche over risotto any day of the week
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logikv9 posted:You have to be pretty delusional to think that Podesta was disparaging Ecuadorian cuisine. But hey if you have a drug farm there maybe you grow to like that cuisine quickly!! I was born there.
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So I thought this election had upended everything I knew about national level politics, but it turns out spending decades killing and jailing the leaders of your radical opponents, and systematically destroying the institutions that allow for even moderate oppositional organization is still more effective than proclaiming the need for a Third Way in response to the death of liberalism and prostrating yourself before the Silent Majority.
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Nov 15, 2016 14:37
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Pablo check in https://twitter.com/gitpab/status/798388982598037504?s=09 loving Pablo.
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Segmentation Fault posted:its garbage slacktivism and IMO infantilizes marginalized groups (I dunno about you but when I think of safety pins the first thing I think of are diapers) Kind of like displaying a coat hanger in support of a woman's right to choose. Cinnamon Bear posted:Quick who has images of that inspirational hillary children's book It's called divine mandate
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chamois posted:In a world where u go outside and aren't a sweaty 300 pound man it's helpful to know that at least one person on the train with you has a < 50% chance of groping you and calling a slut but I agree the practicality goes out the window when all you do is drool bbq sauce onto a keyboard 24/7 No idea what this word salad means.
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MrCussMustard posted:Kind of like displaying a coat hanger in support of a woman's right to choose. 
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Lot of republicans mad that Hillary won the popular vote lmao
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Thoguh posted:Pablo check in He's not wrong. I'd be surprised if Trump starts to deport immigrants at a higher rate than Obama has been doing for the past few years. quote:
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Cinnamon Bear posted:Quick who has images of that inspirational hillary children's book So serious question: Did the campaign actually sponsor this thing, or was it just some Clinton superfan who came up with it on her own? Because that answer to this question is really important to how much rage I feel about this.
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mrmcd posted:So serious question: Did the campaign actually sponsor this thing, or was it just some Clinton superfan who came up with it on her own? Probably both.
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Segmentation Fault posted:B. the virtue signaling involved is the toothless kind of faux-activism that got us here Faith without works is dead. Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:Safety Pins is, like, thoughts and prayers level engagement. Agreed. It is harmless as best, and at worst people might actually believe they're making a difference. GlobglogGroAbgalab has issued a correction as of 14:58 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:No idea what this word salad means. Sometimes it's just nice that people show support, I think. I agree, I'd just like people to follow through, too.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:He's not wrong. I'd be surprised if Trump starts to deport immigrants at a higher rate than Obama has been doing for the past few years. Not to mention keeping people in subhuman facilities, but hey he's a real cool guy!
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Zythrst posted:Not to mention keeping people in subhuman facilities, but hey he's a real cool guy! I wish he couldn't be president forever  He's really just so patriotic.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I wish he couldn't be president forever "speaking of Guantanamo I just couldn't close the darn thing"
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:He's not wrong. Of course not. He's loving Pablo. The only person to emerge from all these email leaks looking like a smart and decent person instead of a clueless sycophant or worse.
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Scent of Worf posted:Lot of republicans mad that Hillary won the popular vote lmao Says who? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/798519600413601792
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I thought the deal with Obama's increased deportation rate was that they changed classification of certain types of removal, whereas under Bush if migrants were caught immediately after crossing the border and sent back it wasn't counted as a deportation, only something like "voluntary return", but under Obama those were considered actual deportations, so the rate went up. Is that not actually the case?
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:The most depressing part of this post-mortem has been the discovery that many centrist liberals cannot even imagine a world where economic prosperity returns to vast parts of the country, and the real problem is that these places just won't die quietly enough for them. And that they sincerely believe sending more people to college will magically fix everything
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RedneckwithGuns posted:I thought the deal with Obama's increased deportation rate was that they changed classification of certain types of removal, whereas under Bush if migrants were caught immediately after crossing the border and sent back it wasn't counted as a deportation, only something like "voluntary return", but under Obama those were considered actual deportations, so the rate went up. Is that not actually the case? According to the admittedly few articles I've read about his actual plans, he decided to focus his efforts into deporting "criminals" but then immigration courts struck down provisions allowing innocent families to appeal their deportation. So in the end you have not only criminals being deported, but thousands of families and most of all children. Deporter in chief.
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Zythrst posted:"speaking of Guantanamo I just couldn't close the darn thing" Gonna break out my hot take machine and say that punting on the status quo for immigration and gitmo* are still less bad than whatever Trump and his band of white supremacist sycophants have coming down the pipe. *not exactly true because he made a lot incremental improvements to both even if it was a long way off from 'fixed'.
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:The most depressing part of this post-mortem has been the discovery that many centrist liberals cannot even imagine a world where economic prosperity returns to vast parts of the country, and the real problem is that these places just won't die quietly enough for them. I know that's just another way of pointing out that the rural poors are ignored, but you're right to put it that way, I just didn't notice until you said it. Kind of makes me want to puke now. E: VVVVV Give yourself to socialism GlobglogGroAbgalab has issued a correction as of 15:16 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:The most depressing part of this post-mortem has been the discovery that many centrist liberals cannot even imagine a world where economic prosperity returns to vast parts of the country, and the real problem is that these places just won't die quietly enough for them. Nah the most depressing part is that there are still centrist liberals.
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MrCussMustard posted:I know that's just another way of pointing out that the rural poors are ignored, but you're right to put it that way, I just didn't notice until you said it. Kind of makes me want to puke now. here at mad at liberals inc we have developed dozens of new ways to be mad at liberals
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