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Rip Testes posted:Trump and Putin supposedly hit it off over taking on ISIS. What's the likelihood of Russia attempting to expand its spheres of influence by supposedly going after ISIS affiliates around the globe? Now the liberal media are trying to claim there Finland population isn't now majority ISIS supports but if the Finnish government isn't going to do anything about it...well then somebody has to.
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dr_rat posted:Now the liberal media are trying to claim there Finland population isn't now majority ISIS supports but if the Finnish government isn't going to do anything about it...well then somebody has to.
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the stans are all Russian puppet states already though right? as for Syria yeah the rebels are pretty much done but to be honest they already were, I don't think if Hillary had won it'd be any different. The real question, I think, is whether Trump and Bolton will gently caress over the Kurds too. Not hopeful
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icantfindaname posted:the stans are all Russian puppet states already though right?
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Kinda? Its complicated. They're all part of Putin-sans harem, but they're kinda unfaithful whores and are always sneaking out to let China and occasionally Europe/America have a chance at economically reaming their people.
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You guys downplaying Bolton don't remember or understand how much of a monster he is. Colin Powell hated him so much he personally intervened to prevent Bolton from being our UN Ambassador for longer than his short recess appointment. Bolton tried to accuse Cuba of manufacturing and spreading WMD technology and fired people who wouldn't let him, and he basically told the UN, to its face, that it was worthless and it's only use was to serve US policy goals. He also makes sexist/homophobic remarks at the office, gets mad, starts swearing, and throwing objects at his subordinates. Motherfucker was LITERALLY spying on Colin Powell and requesting NSA intercepts about his meetings. Bolton reads the books of Pamela Gellar and Robert Spencer and writes endorsements of their books.
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Bolton will somehow gently caress over both Sunni Arabs, the Kurds and Shia Persians all at once, I suppose by supporting every aim Turkey and Israel have, if by proxy or accident. With Trump's temperament and complete cluelessness, I'm expecting nuclear warfare in the middle east within the next decade and another US military occupation.
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Schizotek posted:I'd be more worried about central asia, since some of those countries have seen ISIS activity. Fortunately Kazakhstan kinda blocks them all off, and the only extremist thing about Kazakh muslims is their vodka consumption. Yeah, there's no actual way that Russia attacks Finland in the next four years. Honestly outside Syria and Ukraine I doubt they'll do anything militarily too note full if only because their economy is poo poo. Can see them doing a lot of threatening over eastern Europe though trying to blackmail them into closer ties. Cat Mattress posted:Not Pakistan or Afghanistan. At this point I think most of the US government would just say take it if the Russia tried to take Afghanistan again, even if Trump wasn't in charge.
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FaustianQ posted:Bolton will somehow gently caress over both Sunni Arabs, the Kurds and Shia Persians all at once, I suppose by supporting every aim Turkey and Israel have, if by proxy or accident. With Trump's temperament and complete cluelessness, I'm expecting nuclear warfare in the middle east within the next decade and another US military occupation. Quoting myself from earlier in the thread: The other name floated was John Bolton. John Bolton is...uh...eccentric but also not on Team Assad. quote:If, in this context, defeating the Islamic State means restoring to power Mr. Assad in Syria and Iran’s puppets in Iraq, that outcome is neither feasible nor desirable. Rather than striving to recreate the post-World War I map, Washington should recognize the new geopolitics. The best alternative to the Islamic State in northeastern Syria and western Iraq is a new, independent Sunni state.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:So now that trump gets in i assume we are just abandoning the rebels so trump can pleasure putin's pet or are we gonna try to keep the SDF and Kurds around since they are the only ones doing anything about ISIS? The night before Trump is pledged in, Obama sends SEAL Team 6 to capture or kill Assad. Just so that he goes to the annals of history for a hat trick together with killing ObL and Gaddafi (and to steal Trump's thunder).
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I think Trump is going to threaten to invade Iran, but suddenly Russia will step in to protect them, and the big American bully will back down in the face of Putin's masculine glory.
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Gobbeldygook posted:Quoting myself from earlier in the thread: Haha this is great. The only problem with ISIS is that their name makes too much sense ("Sunni-stan" is much better, since all Sunnis are a single homogenous group)and that the leadership isn't under American control.
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Gobbeldygook posted:Quoting myself from earlier in the thread: And that "plan" wouldn't work in Syria either: https://anfenglish.com/news/al-sanadid-forces-join-the-operation-wrath-of-euphrates quote:The Operation Wrath of Euphrates had started on November 5 with the participation of YPG/YPJ, Bazên Reqqayê Brigade, Al-Tahrîr Brigade, Şehîdên Reqqayê Brigade, Şehîdên Hemam Al-Tirkmen Brigades, Şoreşgerên Reqqayê Brigade, Şoreşgerên Girê Spî Brigade and Syriac Military Council. Back in reality, have a clusterfuck of a map:  Euphrates Shield has finally made it to the outskirts of Al Bab, but given their track record any progress in Al Bab proper is going to be on the scale of months, not days or weeks. They could bypass Al Bab and make a straight shot at East Aleppo, or take the fight to Assad's forces to the south, but Euphrates Shield seems to not be interested in either of these options right now.
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The X-man cometh posted:I think Trump is going to threaten to invade Iran, but suddenly Russia will step in to protect them, and the big American bully will back down in the face of Putin's masculine glory. I think Putin would laugh his rear end off if the US bogged itself down in another major war in the region, and wouldn't do a whole lot to prevent it.
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Sinteres posted:I think Putin would laugh his rear end off if the US bogged itself down in another major war in the region, and wouldn't do a whole lot to prevent it. They don't exactly have room to laugh.
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Volkerball posted:They don't exactly have room to laugh. Yeah, Americans can only dream of the kind of self-inflicted harm this war has done to the Russian economy. As bad as Iraq/Afghanistan was, it doesn't really hold a candle to the effects Syrian investment is doing. not that it would stop them from gloating. Russia could literally collapse and Putin would still feel secure in mocking America for stubbing it's toe. Schizotek fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Volkerball posted:They don't exactly have room to laugh. I have to imagine they think winning the Brexit referendum and the US presidential election is pretty funny, despite being bogged down in problems of their own. Plus Syria can be bad for Russia but good for Putin if the Russian people still admire his perceived strength in standing up to the West.
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Schizotek posted:Yeah, Americans can only dream of the kind of self-inflicted harm this war has done to the Russian economy. How so? All the estimates I've seen put the Syrian intervention as very cheap for Russia. Most of the pressure the Russian economy has faced recently has been due to the low oil price, and then a bit on top due to sanctions from Crimea/Ukraine.
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Nov 15, 2016 20:08
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Just as his supporters did, Middle Eastern dictators are projecting their dreams onto Donald Trump. https://twitter.com/ishaantharoor/status/798607626191990786
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Sinteres posted:Just as his supporters did, Middle Eastern dictators are projecting their dreams onto Donald Trump. This is like the opposite of when Obama was elected and Europeans were so relieved they gave him the Nobel Prize
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Sergg posted:You guys downplaying Bolton don't remember or understand how much of a monster he is. Colin Powell hated him so much he personally intervened to prevent Bolton from being our UN Ambassador for longer than his short recess appointment. Bolton tried to accuse Cuba of manufacturing and spreading WMD technology and fired people who wouldn't let him, and he basically told the UN, to its face, that it was worthless and it's only use was to serve US policy goals. He also makes sexist/homophobic remarks at the office, gets mad, starts swearing, and throwing objects at his subordinates. Motherfucker was LITERALLY spying on Colin Powell and requesting NSA intercepts about his meetings. You guys are way behind the times here. Because Rudy Giuliani is the leading candidate for Secretary Of State. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/us/politics/donald-trump-cabinet-rudy-giuliani.html
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Meanwhile in other  political news:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/lindsay-lohan-asks-donald-trump-to-go-to-syria-with-her-a7416876.html
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Squalid posted:This is like the opposite of when Obama was elected and Europeans were so relieved they gave him the Nobel Prize Trump to be presented the House of Saud Award of Depotism suboptimal posted:Meanwhile in other From party girl to useful idiot. Darkman Fanpage fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Sinteres posted:Just as his supporters did, Middle Eastern dictators are projecting their dreams onto Donald Trump. I love the part where the Saudis say they're "psychologically closer to the Republicans"; it's very true but, after months of having to endure alt-right shithead point out that the Clinton Foundation received money from the Saudis, it's nice to have it straight from the horse's mouth.
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Volkerball posted:The peshmerga are in hot water again. 
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Sinteres posted:I think Putin would laugh his rear end off if the US bogged itself down in another major war in the region, and wouldn't do a whole lot to prevent it. It would kill Iran and Russian relations.
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Mosul seems to be going good:
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Rebels open fire on protesters https://mobile.twitter.com/MmaGreen/status/798565383213039616
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Throatwarbler posted:Rebels open fire on protesters The twitter you're using is a hardcore Bashar fascist twitter. Also good job passing judgement on people in desperate straights. Also the video has no verbal evidence that that's what's going on.
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suboptimal posted:Meanwhile in other  is this real lifeFeels so weird to see Lindsay Lohan like, retweeting erdogan and news about Assad gains in Aleppo but I guess this is the world we live in now https://mobile.twitter.com/lindsaylohan I mean if that guy can be president
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This is the most surreal loving poo poo. It's like someone posted a Cosmo article interspersed with lines from Mein Kampf. 
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Cat Mattress posted:I love the part where the Saudis say they're "psychologically closer to the Republicans"; it's very true but, after months of having to endure alt-right shithead point out that the Clinton Foundation received money from the Saudis, it's nice to have it straight from the horse's mouth. When a saud heavy hitter says "we're closer to republicans psychologically", you know you hosed up electing them.
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It looks like the Kurds are making good progress toward Raqqa, and also, interestingly, SDF forces from Manbij have started moving toward Al Bab. I can't imagine they're going to be able to challenge Turkey for control of the actual city, but maybe they're hoping to loop around its south? I hope there's some strategy here at least (and ideally assurance of protection from the US or Russia) and that they aren't just rushing over to get bombed into paste by Turkey.
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Tias posted:When a saud heavy hitter says "we're closer to republicans psychologically", you know you hosed up electing them. The American Taliban is back. Hide your wife, hide your kids.
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orange sky posted:So I'm in Israel right now and I wanna know: any faux pas I should avoid? I'm scared of saying some crazy poo poo and getting looked at sideways, and I think this is a particularly sensitive country. Say "Oi Vey" in every single opportunity to do so.
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Russia backed out of the ICC, so uh good luck Syria.
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PMUs have liberated Tal Afar airport: https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5das9e/pmus_have_liberated_tel_afar_airport/ https://twitter.com/hoseinmortada/status/798954430381125632 This means Mosul is almost completely surrounded. Peto Lucem map of Mosul (annoyingly, he doesn't include Tal Afar, so the recent advance isn't shown):  There's a couple differences in his map compared to the other map I posted: Hawijat al Husan is a small pocket still under ISIL control, Ali Rash is under Iraqi Army control, and the pocket northeast of Mosul isn't closed. Sinteres posted:It looks like the Kurds are making good progress toward Raqqa, and also, interestingly, SDF forces from Manbij have started moving toward Al Bab. I can't imagine they're going to be able to challenge Turkey for control of the actual city, but maybe they're hoping to loop around its south? I hope there's some strategy here at least (and ideally assurance of protection from the US or Russia) and that they aren't just rushing over to get bombed into paste by Turkey.
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YPG forces in Manbij withdrew east of the Euphrates. https://www.facebook.com/RojavaDefenseUnits/posts/1171117016292024?pnref=story
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