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Nevvy Z posted:I had a really fun facebook moment when a leftist posted a map of Cleveland support for candidates and said "I need to move away from all the Clinton supporters to where the Bernie supporters live." *conveniently ignores who the majority of younger minorities voted for while deploying this sick own*
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paranoid randroid posted:California really doesnt have all that much influence on the selection of candidates, and i dont think that railing against us as out of touch elites is particularly productive We vote late enough we don't affect the outcome, it's generally been determined by the time it gets to us. It's also ignoring that while a decent chunk of the state is what you think as upper class elite, a massive amount of the Democratic base is most definitely not, and has been facing a lot of the same issues that should resonate well with elsewhere, namely ridiculous health care prices, low wages, corporate power loving things over, a massive need for infrastructure. Coheed and Camembert posted:He is Kansas' Secretary of State and he notably helped draft Arizona's SB 1070 immigration bill a few years back. Yeah he's universally horrible, like "we really want John Ashcroft back" kind of horrible although I don't know how he compares to Gonzalez. He's also in the middle of some odd poo poo in the 2014 election, like "how Putin rigs his elections" level shady where people are asking for data and he's fighting that because statistically the data put out by the state is out of whack. http://americablog.com/2015/08/mathematician-actual-voter-fraud-kansas-republicans.html http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/kansas-officials-fight-to-hide-voting-machine-records-150828?news=857293
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Lightning Knight posted:McGovern lost in the direct aftermath of segregation, when the country was at its whitest. He was also up against Nixon, who literally criminally cheated. Yes, if we get another once in a lifetime president and also Trump doesn't cheat, we might have a chance!
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Serious question, 6 days out of the election, anyone know for reals how Trump supporters seem to be reacting to his campaign's post-victory actions?
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PerniciousKnid posted:Speak for yourself, I'm seizing the party to keep it safe from impractical elitist ideologues like y'all. Looks like the DNC is open to giving the keys to Ellison so you're doing a great job 
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I think the take away from bernouts is we need to pander to white men in colorado who are adamant about not voting for anyone but bernie in the general who also bitch about white exclusion. Sounds good.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:I think the take away from bernouts is we need to pander to white men in colorado who are adamant about not voting for anyone but bernie in the general who also bitch about white exclusion. "a big tent party sounds great so long as i am the tentpole"
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Trabisnikof posted:Yes, if we get another once in a lifetime president and also Trump doesn't cheat, we might have a chance! We will not need a once in a lifetime candidate to defeat Trump. He is going to enter office with the lowest approval ratings of any incoming President and its all down hill from there.
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boner confessor posted:it's predominantly black, which is easy to forget when basically the race of a southerner switches in someone's mind depending on if the southerner is behaving as goofus or gallant at any time Please google 'demographics of Mississippi'.
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Trabisnikof posted:Yes, if we get another once in a lifetime president and also Trump doesn't cheat, we might have a chance! I don't think Obama was a once in a lifetime person. We maybe won't have someone quite as good, but if we pull from younger candidate pools and preferably qualified minority candidates like Harris and Ellison, we can do it though. Trump isn't charismatic, Hillary just wasn't either so we couldn't leverage that.
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Majorian posted:Not combined. George W. Bush deported 2 million, Obama has deported 2.5 million. It's still obscenely high, but saying that he's deported more than any other president combined is just flat-out wrong. quote:
GreyjoyBastard posted:What are your objections to Obama's immigration policies? Really? What are my objections to Obama deporting more people than any other president? You're asking an immigrant this?
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Covok posted:Serious question, 6 days out of the election, anyone know for reals how Trump supporters seem to be reacting to his campaign's post-victory actions? From talking to some of the Americans I know at work across the pond. They are apparently "somewhat peeved" that the swamp is in fact defining the man.
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Covok posted:Serious question, 6 days out of the election, anyone know for reals how Trump supporters seem to be reacting to his campaign's post-victory actions? Iirc someone went on /pol/ to take the temperature and it was somewhere between eleventh dimensional chess or the jew media got to him, so about as well as you could imagine they're taking it
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boner confessor posted:it's predominantly black, which is easy to forget when basically the race of a southerner switches in someone's mind depending on if the southerner is behaving as goofus or gallant at any time Lol like 60% of Mississippi is white you dingus
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Business Gorillas posted:*conveniently ignores who the majority of younger minorities voted for while deploying this sick own* Sorry I didn't break down the map into crosstabs I'm sure that would have mattered.  He wasn't a racist, he just wanted to move from where the minorities live to where the white people live on the basis of a correlation.
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6 days in and they're already turning on him. Or so I hope to keep my sanity. If we're lucky, he'll only be in office 8 years and not indefinitely when he removes term limits and Peter Thiel jacks his mind off into the matrix and he controls us forever as God Computer Trump.
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boner confessor posted:occupy was flawed from the start because without any kind of hierarchy or fixed agenda it was just a contest to see who could be most passionate It was an anarchist experiment, more or less, on the theory that a movement without leaders could not be coopted by the establishment like, say, the Tea Party kinda was. Mission accomplished  And it laid the groundwork and tested ideas for things like BLM, which is a similar decentralized model but has local leadership while retaining the same sort of constellations of affiliated groups.
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Josef bugman posted:From talking to some of the Americans I know at work across the pond. They are apparently "somewhat peeved" that the swamp is in fact defining the man. Yeah but were they translating into British? For an American "somewhat peeved" represents a low level of frustration that might be soothed away by a walk in the woods or a beer with friends, whereas my understanding is that to a Brit "somewhat peeved" is a couple steps away from "foment treason."
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:I think the take away from bernouts is we need to pander to white men in colorado who are adamant about not voting for anyone but bernie in the general who also bitch about white exclusion. Literally every person saying this poo poo was making plans for Hillary's coronation a month ago, seriously every one of them. You would think by accident one of them would have been even close to right about the election but nope.
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Covok posted:6 days in and they're already turning on him. Or so I hope to keep my sanity. Take a deep breath and step away from the Internet for a while. Just assuming he's going to be an 8 year President and then potential dictator for life because your going all nihilistic is stupid as hell.
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Covok posted:Serious question, 6 days out of the election, anyone know for reals how Trump supporters seem to be reacting to his campaign's post-victory actions? The ones I've spoken to pulled the lever and now they're patiently waiting for the reels to stop spinning to collect their jackpot
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Covok posted:6 days in and they're already turning on him. Or so I hope to keep my sanity. Even if 100% of Trump voters came back in 4 years we can beat him. We could probably run the literal same platform with a better candidate and win, though I wouldn't prefer that. The statement, Trump didn't win, Hillary lost is the simplest summary of what happened here. The argument is over how to fix it, because the numbers don't back up any other thesis. (Unless the numbers changed, the problem was that Democrats stayed home, moreso than they flipped Trump)
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Covok posted:Serious question, 6 days out of the election, anyone know for reals how Trump supporters seem to be reacting to his campaign's post-victory actions? About as retarded as the posters on this forum who spout the "SHE'S A CORPORATE GLOBALIST" line as if they are smart, they say things like "let's see how he does may be the best president ever, give him a chance xD xD  "
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Covok posted:Serious question, 6 days out of the election, anyone know for reals how Trump supporters seem to be reacting to his campaign's post-victory actions? 70% Trump county and no one is talking about the election anymore because normal people don't obsess about politics 24/7, we are the weird nerds. Lightning Knight posted:Even if 100% of Trump voters came back in 4 years we can beat him. We could probably run the literal same platform with a better candidate and win, though I wouldn't prefer that. Yes, before anyone ODs on Ambien please understand this is true.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Lol like 60% of Mississippi is white you dingus the democratic party of mississippi isn't, learn to read hombre unless you can come up with an alternate theory as to why majority black counties in the south tend to vote democrat?
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Maarek posted:Literally every person saying this poo poo was making plans for Hillary's coronation a month ago, seriously every one of them. You would think by accident one of them would have been even close to right about the election but nope.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Really? What are my objections to Obama deporting more people than any other president? You're asking an immigrant this? I was more poking at a general ignorance of the nitpicky details, including, vitally, the numbers. When adjusted for the inclusion of border control his numbers look a lot like Bush's, but with a shift towards people with criminal records and here without families, and away from longtime residents and immigrants with family members here. I was hoping, ideally, for something like "he should be deporting zero non-criminals" or "minorities including immigrants are arrested and convicted at massively higher rates, therefore the criminal part is also bullshit" or even "free movement of labor helps counteract free movement of capital and therefore border controls themselves are bullshit".
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:I'd rather have another 20 years of republican control than a democratic party that marginalizes minorities. I know bernie and you think otherwise, but that's why he lost the primary! This doesn't really make sense because Republicans would be even worse.
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Quorum posted:Do sa.quorum@gmail.com, I'll edit it out later. Got it. Check your email.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:It was an anarchist experiment, more or less, on the theory that a movement without leaders could not be coopted by the establishment like, say, the Tea Party kinda was. Unfortunately "being co-opted by the establishment" is *success* in terms of a political movement.
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Maarek posted:Literally every person saying this poo poo was making plans for Hillary's coronation a month ago, seriously every one of them. You would think by accident one of them would have been even close to right about the election but nope. They have tried to adopt the salt but I was born in it
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:I'd rather have another 20 years of republican control than a democratic party that marginalizes minorities. I know bernie and you think otherwise, but that's why he lost the primary! Yeah you're right, the Republicans won't marginalize minorities at all. What is wrong with your brain.
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Lightning Knight posted:This doesn't really make sense because Republicans would be even worse. at least you know republicans are going to poo poo on non-whites regardless rather than making GBS threads on them out of a refusal to compromise in a political coalition, which isn't just dumb but hypocritical
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XyrlocShammypants posted:About as retarded as the posters on this forum who spout the "SHE'S A CORPORATE GLOBALIST" line as if they are smart, they say things like "let's see how he does may be the best president ever, give him a chance xD xD Interesting take but not nearly as smart as this guy: XyrlocShammypants posted:I genuinely believe we see between a 6.5 and 7.1% victory for Hillary and a 340+ EV win and he is forced to give a surprisingly gracious concession.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Unfortunately "being co-opted by the establishment" is *success* in terms of a political movement. Occupy did get co-opted by the establishment in the sense that the establishment sent in undercover agents to destroy it from within
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Lightning Knight posted:This doesn't really make sense because Republicans would be even worse. Best to remove their voice from from politics then 
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I was more poking at a general ignorance of the nitpicky details, including, vitally, the numbers. When adjusted for the inclusion of border control his numbers look a lot like Bush's, but with a shift towards people with criminal records and here without families, and away from longtime residents and immigrants with family members here. General ignorance of nitpick details? Those massive numbers of deportations that increased every year he was in office aren't even the whole picture. Yea, he shouldn't be deporting so many people. Glad you agree with me guy. Gracias por ser un imbecil.
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