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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Hahaha even after a devastating loss, Dems still aren't allowed to talk about what went wrong in the primaries in CSPAM? Lollin forever hm where did you get that idea
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Yeah I don't want to go as far as to say he's dead, but he's definitely not in the embassy anymoreSheng-ji Yang posted:hm where did you get that idea The bolded part about the primaries in that quoted post. Maybe it was old, still hilarious though.
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Hahaha even after a devastating loss, Dems still aren't allowed to talk about what went wrong in the primaries in CSPAM? Lollin forever I think the IKs want to clamp down on "OH, BERNIE/BIDEN/SOMEONE ELSE WOULD HAVE WON!" vs "Hey, here's a lesson to be learned and here's why." I could be wrong though.
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I've been cheerleading shamelessly for Bernie since Nov 9 and nobody's probated me yet  I think it's mostly to prevent flame-wars but again the civil war is actually a palace coup so
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idk who put the ik note in the op but talking about the primary is important imo. debating about the primary is important to debating about the future of the democratic party
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iospace posted:I think the IKs want to clamp down on "OH, BERNIE/BIDEN/SOMEONE ELSE WOULD HAVE WON!" vs "Hey, here's a lesson to be learned and here's why." This is the correct interpretation. The idea isn't to discourage talking about lessons learned and whatnot, but rather to prevent the hyperannoying primary spazchat from recurring. Captain_Maclaine has issued a correction as of 20:56 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Hahaha even after a devastating loss, Dems still aren't allowed to talk about what went wrong in the primaries in CSPAM? Lollin forever If you can grace us with some deep insightful, previously unknown knowledge regarding the primaries that everyone hasn't beaten the horse to death with, kindly do so friend~  loquacius posted:I've been cheerleading shamelessly for Bernie since Nov 9 and nobody's probated me yet Why would they?  Like I said, you missed the memo on C-SPAM after August.
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saying Bernie Woulda Won is an statement on where the Democratic Party should go and you should be free to argue about that poo poo
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Public position: Needs more study. lol Nonsense posted:Bernie owns yes. he has freed my mind from the poison of neoliberalism
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loquacius posted:I've been cheerleading shamelessly for Bernie since Nov 9 and nobody's probated me yet yea there's a difference between 'here's the ideas Bernie had that the DNC really better adopt because they're gonna be important' and 'if you look at these polls from months before the primaries even ended you'll find that in a parallel world we'd 100% have president sanders' kinda stuff. One of those is a statement that can be argued with and for, the other is just fuckin political fanfic.
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iospace posted:I think the IKs want to clamp down on "OH, BERNIE/BIDEN/SOMEONE ELSE WOULD HAVE WON!" vs "Hey, here's a lesson to be learned and here's why." it's this i believe. gloating about what could have been gets us nowhere.
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zen death robot posted:Also "a freaking hamster dance" is a notorious bad poster who enjoys starting flamewars That's a funny way to say "disagreeing with Hill Folk" but I'll take it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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tower time posted:I saw you mention Davenport earlier, so did you try Loebsack's office? I called earlier today and was able to get ahold of someone pretty quickly. His Iowa office phone is (563) 323-5988. Thanks. I'll give them a ring.
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:That's a funny way to say "disagreeing with Hill Folk" but I'll take it. Another smooth-rear end despot
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Lastgirl posted:Why would they? What happened in August, anyway? Did the subforum collectively chill out of its own accord, or was a Problem Poster banned or have their IKdom taken away? Tatum Girlparts posted:yea there's a difference between 'here's the ideas Bernie had that the DNC really better adopt because they're gonna be important' and 'if you look at these polls from months before the primaries even ended you'll find that in a parallel world we'd 100% have president sanders' kinda stuff. One of those is a statement that can be argued with and for, the other is just fuckin political fanfic. Personally I keep my political fanfic in C:\Documents\Boring Work Stuff\Giant Excel Spreadsheets\memos_from_latest_meeting.txt where it belongs e: people are like "why is this text file of memos from a meeting like five gigabytes large" and I'm like "oh you're poking around my boring work stuff??? How weird haha why would you do that it's so boring hahaha" while surreptitiously yanking my power cable
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a blanket ban on discussing the primaries is still silly though imo. we can shut down excessive slapfights over it without banishing it entirely also bernie woulda won
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Nov 15, 2016 21:01
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Darkman Fanpage posted:it's this i believe. gloating about what could have been gets us nowhere. Vile could have returned and gloated, but instead posted very badly and attacked posters he disagreed with from the general election. We should be able to discuss not wanting to retread ideas/events/strategies from the primary without being salty about the primaries as well I think.
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What sucks about Trump's transition troubles is it gives hope his administration will be too incompetent to pursue its goals. This is a lie. edit: I'm just glad it gives a breather to the eventual Nightmare In America in January.
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loquacius posted:What happened in August, anyway? Did the subforum collectively chill out of its own accord, or was a Problem Poster banned or have their IKdom taken away? I wanna say August is when The Reign of Zoux came to an end Nonsense posted:What sucks about Trump's transition troubles is it gives hope his administration will be too incompetent to pursue its goals. This is a lie. Yea I've had multiple friends be all 'uh maybe he'll be like evil version of Jimmy Carter, you know just kinda unable to get anything actually done?' and that's just so sadly optimistic when he has a congress full of happy hat wearers.
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Lastgirl posted:This. Me too.
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loquacius posted:What happened in August, anyway? Did the subforum collectively chill out of its own accord, or was a Problem Poster banned or have their IKdom taken away? Both. People were wasted for a while and kept it casual. I hope they continue to do so because it was good~ Sheng-ji Yang posted:a blanket ban on discussing the primaries is still silly though imo. we can shut down excessive slapfights over it without banishing it entirely Could at least specify in the OP what kind of primary chat is okay and what is not imo, the note was for specifically relitigating the primaries because we had months of it during the actual primary season and it got so bad that C-SPAM was called the Molten Salt Reactor because people were way way too invested and it was really really bad, couldn't actually start anything without it all devolving into a huge flamewar and it wasn't conducive to actually discussing anything at all. I'd like to not see that happen again, but that's just me. I don't mind talking about future primary strategies though. My Linux Rig posted:Me too.  Really though, I think even one sex cake is big enough to feed a family of four. Harold needs to release his receipts.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:It won him the election. It's really not that hard to grasp why his message was better in every way. Which is my point. There's so much pearl clutching in Democratic circles about, "Oh, we can't promise THAT - we'd never get it through Congress!" Well, no poo poo. That's part of a successful electoral strategy: over-promise, and if you don't succeed at getting the policy through once elected, blame it on the other side. It's amazing to me that the Dems have gotten so bad at this.
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even if trump is too incompetent to get evil poo poo done, the GOP certainly isnt *terrifying flashback to the dubya years*
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http://www.lennyletter.com/politics/a613/hillary-clinton-is-more-than-a-president/ the beatification of hillary
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zen death robot posted:For the record zoux was set up to fail and I was expecting his meltdown. I didn't expect him to probate a mod though lol. That was just icing on the cake. 
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zen death robot posted:For the record zoux was set up to fail and I was expecting his meltdown. I didn't expect him to probate a mod though lol. That was just icing on the cake. 
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:even if trump is too incompetent to get evil poo poo done, the GOP certainly isnt *terrifying flashback to the dubya years* Yea I fully believe Trump himself is far too stupid and unaware of basic politics to get anything done. The problem is congress isn't and they're going to happily guide him by the hand to sign the exact legislation they need.
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zen death robot posted:It's this, relitigating the past just leads to a loving circle jerk Funny how the circle jerk was cool until it wasn't, say, around midnight ET Nov 9th This is a forum that literally set up a "Salt Mine", but when its preferred candidate lost, immediately pivoted into a safe space and even tried to reneg on their toxxes. Safety pin up, bitches.
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Lastgirl posted:Both. People were wasted for a while and kept it casual. I hope they continue to do so because it was good~ i think just "please no excessive slapfighting about the primaries" would be fine. ANY PRIMARY DISCUSSION IS VERBOTEN is unnecessary
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Majorian posted:Which is my point. There's so much pearl clutching in Democratic circles about, "Oh, we can't promise THAT - we'd never get it through Congress!" Well, no poo poo. That's part of a successful electoral strategy: over-promise, and if you don't succeed at getting the policy through once elected, blame it on the other side. It's amazing to me that the Dems have gotten so bad at this. I think after Reagan, they felt they could never capture the lightning in a bottle that was FDR. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. e: Bill was the 1st full 2-term Democrat since him. Truman was only elected president once (48), Johnson same deal (64).
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I wanna say August is when The Reign of Zoux came to an end Go on...
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NumberLast posted:Go on... I mean there's not much to it. Someone asked what about that month improved CSPAM and I think that's when Zoux had his hilarious meltdown and got booted, and that was a good thing. This has been my report on advanced CSPAM theory, thank you and good night.
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Don't mean to be passive aggressive. I'm aggressively asking you why your gloating was cool and mine is bad.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:i think just "please no excessive slapfighting about the primaries" would be fine. ANY PRIMARY DISCUSSION IS VERBOTEN is unnecessary I actually agree, it just should've been more specific and this was during the time that the dust hadn't settled so it was a hasty note.  I'll add that 
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tower time posted:I saw you mention Davenport earlier, so did you try Loebsack's office? I called earlier today and was able to get ahold of someone pretty quickly. His Iowa office phone is (563) 323-5988. Ok, I called, spoke with Hannah. Demanded Ellison for chair and Brazile to resign for damaging the credibility of the cause. Please everyone call your reps.
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Radbot posted:Funny how the circle jerk was cool until it wasn't, say, around midnight ET Nov 9th  there was a circlejerk for a bit before the elections but the toxx poo poo had nothing to do with Saving the Hillarymen and if you think this subforum is a safe space for hillary people right now lol
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Majorian posted:Which is my point. There's so much pearl clutching in Democratic circles about, "Oh, we can't promise THAT - we'd never get it through Congress!" Well, no poo poo. That's part of a successful electoral strategy: over-promise, and if you don't succeed at getting the policy through once elected, blame it on the other side. It's amazing to me that the Dems have gotten so bad at this. But you can promise single-payer. It can get through Congress. I mean, conceivably. You could, with enough votes, actually do it. The preamble to the SCOTUS ruling on the ACA says just that. And you could, with taxes, actually pay for it. You cannot, however, build a wall between the US and Mexico. It doesn't matter how many people want it. You cannot do it. There isn't enough concrete. You cannot deport every illegal immigrant. Doesn't matter who wants to do it. You cannot do it. ICE isn't SEA PATROL, they don't have unlimited resources. So you see, the democrats are careful not to promise things that can be done, so they never have to do them, and the republicans are careful to promise things that cannot be done, so they never have to do them.
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