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Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Paging Cartoon..

quote:

The unsavoury truths behind our fruit

Next time you buy some locally grown nectarines at Coles or Woolies, spare a thought for the exploited worker who might have picked them.

The latest migrant worker exploitation investigation by Fairfax Media and the ABC includes powerful evidence � obtained by an undercover Malaysian reporter � revealing what so many suspect but which is so rarely brought out clearly into the open: that some farming companies are knowingly using illegal workers from overseas, despite the fact that it is unlawful and may involve serious exploitation or even human trafficking.

There are several reasons why the exploitation of illegal workers in the horticulture sector is so rarely exposed, either by the media or authorities. One of them involves geography. The problem is happening in the bush, out of sight and out of mind.

The illegal workers themselves are usually too scared to speak out because they fear deportation. Illegal workers are those without visas allowing them to work lawfully in Australia and, as they have no rights, are extremely vulnerable to exploitation or becoming indentured labour.

Sometimes they are terrified of the labour hire syndicates that hire them and act as the buffer between them and the farmers, who rely on their cheap toil along with the plausible deniability of any exploitation that using a labour hire contractor may provide.

The law and its enforcers are failing to deal with the problem. The promised boosts by the Turnbull government to the powers and resources of the Fair Work Ombudsman are welcome, but only a step in the right direction. The FWO remains under-resourced given the scale of the problem.

It is also vital that immigration authorities have the ability to thoroughly investigate and charge with serious offences the organised criminals running labour hire firms exploiting migrant workers. Too often, immigration officers have simply deported the exploited workers, only to see them replaced overnight. The Australian Border Force is now seeking to target the labour hire syndicate bosses but lacks the legislative and investigative tools to do so.

Calls from Victoria's Industrial Relations Minister, Natalie Hutchins, for labour hire companies to be licensed also have merit as they would make life harder for the unethical elements in the labour hire industry. If temporary worker migration intake needs to be tweaked to ensure adequate supply of lawfully paid and treated workers, then this must also be considered.

Then there is the supply chain. Farmers must be held to account for failing to ensure that are not using exploited workers who can be paid as a little as a few dollars an hour or even end up owing their labour hire masters. If farmers cannot show they have strong anti-exploitation systems in place, they should be penalised if exploited or illegal workers are part of their labour force.

Coles and Woolworths also need to have far more rigorous supply chain integrity auditing. The relentless drive by Australian supermarkets to drive down prices paid to farmers for their wares, and paid by consumers in stores, is likely to be pushing some farmers to use cheaper labour.

But consumers also have a role to play. It begins by asking yourself, what is the real cost of cheaper fruit? And if it is creating a new underclass of exploited workers, are you prepared to pay it?

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-unsavoury-truths-behind-our-fruit-20161115-gspthe.html

It's everyone's fault. Stop eating fruit.

# ? Nov 16, 2016 04:44

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 11:00

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

Does anyone with better math than me know if it's possible for a party to lose the popular vote (and I don't mean "40% Lib 60% anyone else" I'm thinking more "40% Lib 42% Lab") and still win the election? I'm thinking it might be possible if you sweep Tasmania but, as I said, I'm hosed at adding up.

E: Actually, with preferences I guess it's REALLY possible. n/m

Starshark fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Nov 16, 2016

# ? Nov 16, 2016 06:48

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Howard did it in 98 I think.

# ? Nov 16, 2016 06:51

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Starshark posted:

Does anyone with better math than me know if it's possible for a party to lose the popular vote (and I don't mean "40% Lib 60% anyone else" I'm thinking more "40% Lib 42% Lab") and still win the election? I'm thinking it might be possible if you sweep Tasmania but, as I said, I'm hosed at adding up.

E: Actually, with preferences I guess it's REALLY possible. n/m

Win 49% of the seats 52-48 and lose 51% of the seats 49-51 and you're golden.

# ? Nov 16, 2016 06:53

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Graic Gabtar posted:

Paging Cartoon..

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-unsavoury-truths-behind-our-fruit-20161115-gspthe.html

It's everyone's fault. Stop eating fruit.

They're only backpackers and exploited overseas labor, it's not like they're real people we need to care about.
- Australia

(seriously if we're cool with actual concentration camps then I don't see the public remotely caring)

# ? Nov 16, 2016 07:32

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

As posted previously the Agricultural sector is among the fastest growing parts of the Australian economy. It also leads in Labour productivity. You should also know that labour productivity across the board has been increasing while real wages have slowed.

Why then is the sector that is 'booming' asking for special labour handouts? The people getting screwed are joe public, especially in rural areas. And yet these buffoons continue to vote against their actual best interests. Makes you :mad:

# ? Nov 16, 2016 07:50

Pickled Tink: Apr 28, 2012; Have you heard about First Dog? It's a very good comic I just love.

Also, wear your bike helmets kids. I copped several blows to the head but my helmet left me totally unscathed.

Finally you should check out First Dog as it's a good comic I like it very much.; Fun Shoe

First Dog:

# ? Nov 16, 2016 08:22

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

i really do not care for first dog, i'm afraid

# ? Nov 16, 2016 08:43

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

DancingShade posted:

They're only backpackers and exploited overseas labor, it's not like they're real people we need to care about.
- Australia

(seriously if we're cool with actual concentration camps then I don't see the public remotely caring)

The taxi drivers say WHY ARE WE GETTING THESE FOREIGNERS WHEN WE COULD BE USING YOUNG PEOPLE ON THE DOLE so look forward to pollies proposing fruit picking as a WFD project.

# ? Nov 16, 2016 08:47

Frogfingers: Oct 10, 2012

Starshark posted:

The taxi drivers say WHY ARE WE GETTING THESE FOREIGNERS WHEN WE COULD BE USING YOUNG PEOPLE ON THE DOLE so look forward to pollies proposing fruit picking as a WFD project.

That will be $20 a day for food and $250 a week for room and board thank you. Enjoy working at slumlord farms.

# ? Nov 16, 2016 09:50

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Recoome posted:

i really do not care for first dog, i'm afraid

i find it distasteful

# ? Nov 16, 2016 10:33

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Starshark posted:

Does anyone with better math than me know if it's possible for a party to lose the popular vote (and I don't mean "40% Lib 60% anyone else" I'm thinking more "40% Lib 42% Lab") and still win the election? I'm thinking it might be possible if you sweep Tasmania but, as I said, I'm hosed at adding up.

E: Actually, with preferences I guess it's REALLY possible. n/m

It's extremely improbable, but a party could form government with around 25% of the popular vote if they got 50%+1 votes in just over half of seats nationally.

Of course they would be screwed in the senate.

Alternatively, a party could dominate the senate with a quarter of the national vote if they got a full set of senators elected in WA, SA, TAS, NT, and ACT.

# ? Nov 16, 2016 10:57

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Rumour mill is telling me that the QLD LNP is seeking an Official Coalition Agreement with One Nation for the upcoming State Election next year

# ? Nov 16, 2016 11:39

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Anidav posted:

Rumour mill is telling me that the QLD LNP is seeking an Official Coalition Agreement with One Nation for the upcoming State Election next year

I saw the Campbell thing on Facebook earlier. They couldn't be that mad could they? I know, Queensland, but still you'd think the Federal wing would be begging at their feet not to do it considering the attack ads next election would write themselves.

# ? Nov 16, 2016 11:44

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Well the LNP isn't really linked federally anymore. The LNP is mostly the National Party.

# ? Nov 16, 2016 11:50

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Anidav posted:

Well the LNP isn't really linked federally anymore. The LNP is mostly the National Party.

Even so the federal National party probably likes being in government rather than ~~booted out when people see they're officially snuggling up to One Nation~~ re-elected to government in a landslide because goddamn it Australia..

# ? Nov 16, 2016 12:08

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Pickled Tink posted:

First Dog:

gently caress that's bad.

# ? Nov 16, 2016 12:50

Frogfingers: Oct 10, 2012

Posting Firstdog is like opening a can of concentrated shitposting. There should be a cordon, signs and hazmats suits given out first.

# ? Nov 16, 2016 13:30

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

I may have to start post Dick on the Herald Sun again.

:nws:

https://i.imgur.com/463SP0Y.jpg :nws:

# ? Nov 16, 2016 14:20

Xerxes17: Feb 17, 2011

I found the tour of the Lucas Heights reactor to be pretty cool if you like looking at scientific and technical things.

# ? Nov 16, 2016 18:37

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ing?CMP=soc_567

lol

# ? Nov 16, 2016 22:41

Au Revoir Shosanna: Feb 17, 2011; i support this government and/or service

ah but have you considered that it is actually the not racists who are responsible for the rise of racism in this country and not my lovely dog whistle scare mongering?

also i am a terrible loving waste of a human being

# ? Nov 16, 2016 23:26

Cirofren: Jun 13, 2005; Pillbug

These people wouldn't be so racist and hateful towards elites and minorities if the elites stopped trying to get them to be less racist and hateful toward minorities.

# ? Nov 16, 2016 23:43

Cirofren: Jun 13, 2005; Pillbug

Meanwhile Tony Abbot calls climate change a moral panic.

Yeah, people are worked up about the respectability and goodness of clean energy because coal is dirty, certainly not some sort of existential threat that will slowly reduce arable and habitable land.

# ? Nov 16, 2016 23:49

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

Cirofren posted:

Meanwhile Tony Abbot calls climate change a moral panic.

Yeah, people are worked up about the respectability and goodness of clean energy because coal is dirty, certainly not some sort of existential threat that will slowly reduce arable and habitable land.

I guess it's good to know that in his old age he will have lived to see the effects of it on his children.

# ? Nov 16, 2016 23:51

birdstrike: Oct 30, 2008; i;m gay

Pickled Tink posted:

ah but have you considered that it is actually the not racists who are responsible for the rise of racism in this country but my lovely dog essays?

also i am a terrible loving waste of a human being

# ? Nov 16, 2016 23:54

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Speaking about that drat PC culture killing our morals, here's a video of the UPF harrassing an anti-Trump thing in Perth.

https://www.facebook.com/Upfperth/videos/1153438764723118/

lmao Perth is a shithole

# ? Nov 16, 2016 23:57

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

hello my name is *nationalist fuckhead* and I can't resist the urge to get escorted away by the police!

Being manhandled by large sweaty men is my FETISH

# ? Nov 17, 2016 00:01

Redcordial: Nov 7, 2009; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

lol the country is fed up with your safe spaces and trigger warnings you useless special snowflakes, send the sjws to mexico

Recoome posted:

Speaking about that drat PC culture killing our morals, here's a video of the UPF harrassing an anti-Trump thing in Perth.

https://www.facebook.com/Upfperth/videos/1153438764723118/

lmao Perth is a shithole

hahahahahahahah

Holy poo poo the level of cognitive dissonance is just too high, it's hilariously transparent. I wonder how much they paid for their new production work lol.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 00:03

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Recoome posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ing?CMP=soc_567

lol

just a reminder that george christensen had never hosed, nor will he ever.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 00:07

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

That just reminded me that this happened in the last few days with known shithead Bernard Gaynor.

quote:

Yesterday, Federal Labor MP, Linda Burney stated:

�It astounds me that the people that are advocating for the removal of 18C are basically white men of a certain age that have never experienced racial discrimination in their life.�

These words are clearly racist and they make offensive and insulting connotations about white men. So I have lodged a complaint of racial vilification with the Australian Human Rights Commission. And I expect Gillian Triggs to take it seriously.

I look forward to him proving her point better than she ever could in a court no less.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 00:20

Magog: Jan 9, 2010

Recoome posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ing?CMP=soc_567

lol

*Guy who looks like a goonlord talks about social engineering* This is a rare occurrence to be sure. lol

# ? Nov 17, 2016 00:20

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Zenithe posted:

That just reminded me that this happened in the last few days with known shithead Bernard Gaynor.

I look forward to him proving her point better than she ever could in a court no less.

I am a white male and I don't experience racism but it's racist when people say I don't experience racism :qq:

# ? Nov 17, 2016 00:22

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Also looks like there's going to be a big thing in Melbourne on Sunday, TBC and UPF are turning out for a pro-Trump rally and there's an organised counter-rally here so I'd be going if I lived in an actual capital city and not Brisbane

Also if anyone is actually in Brisbane and wants to go to rallys, but doesn't have a rally buddy because you are a goony gently caress then hit me up.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 00:25

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Zenithe posted:

I look forward to him proving her point better than she ever could in a court no less.

With respect I don't think that's the point he is trying to prove.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 01:09

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Recoome posted:

Speaking about that drat PC culture killing our morals, here's a video of the UPF harrassing an anti-Trump thing in Perth.

https://www.facebook.com/Upfperth/videos/1153438764723118/

lmao Perth is a shithole

"beta cucks"

# ? Nov 17, 2016 01:26

thatbastardken: Apr 23, 2010; A contract signed by a minor is not binding!

Recoome posted:

hello my name is *nationalist fuckhead* and I can't resist the urge to get escorted away by the police!

Being manhandled by large sweaty men is my FETISH