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Slim Pickens posted:I picked up a dewalt bit kit on clearance a while ago, and aside from the right side of that plastic case being 3/4 full of #2 bits, they also included a little tic-tac container full of #2 bits. I guess they know the struggle. #2 Philips bits wear out quickly when used with power drivers. Those kits are aimed at drywallers who drive a bazillion drywall screws putting up sheetrock.
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Darchangel posted:I KNOW Apple can do better. I'm not sure they can, anymore. Steve Jobs' most important role at Apple (IMO) was telling people when not to do something because it's stupid, and he's dead now. BraveUlysses posted:Personally, I use sae sockets and wrenches so infrequently compared to metric that I dumped them all into my "poo poo tools I never use" box. Same, but the opposite. Hate finding random metric fasteners in stuff, gotta go to the other side of the toolbox just for your special snowflake bullshit.
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Bulk Vanderhuge posted:Horrible mechanical design failure This has gotta be one of those "oh poo poo, I need to make something to pad my graphic design portfolio *sees one of those thin wrenches you use to assemble furniture with* A HA!!! I GOT IT!!! *fires up Photoshop*" kind of deals.
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slidebite posted:Until I got the Porsche, I don't think I ever used an odd number socket on any of my Japanese cars since I was a kid, with the exception of 17mm and 19mm. 8, 10, 12, 14 probably were 90% of the fasteners. Now I run into 13 and 15 very commonly and have to actually think about it grabbing a socket/wrench now. The DeLorean has a total of two 7mm bolts that I ever encountered. Both hold the AC belt tensioner to the front of the block (which was only put on that PRV-6 because power steering was omitted in the design of the car). Also the knee bolsters below the dashboard are held on by 6mm bolts.
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From the little bit of wrenching I've done on my boxster, Porsche is definitely filled with engineers who love to min/max and use the best suited solution for the job. I'm so used to Subaru and Honda where it was designed with either assembly or maintenance in mind, where all the bolts that hold the thing are the same size and most likely sized according the one that needed to be largest, because you save time and money by not having your workers figure out which drat bolt goes where and you only use the one tool.
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Nov 17, 2016 03:44
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Nearly everything on my Honda motorcycles comes off with 8, 10, 12, 14 and 17mm sockets and 3, 4, 5, 6 and 8mm hex keys. It's great.
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Nov 17, 2016 03:54
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The cars too, only a Philips and flat head instead of allen keys. There was a single weird bolt I ran into somewhere in the interior when I was pulling panels off, I think the seat belt anchor was a 15 or something like that, but it was so much cleaner than the washers and spacers that I think the Body Shop put it on by mistake. I triple checked that I torqued that one properly...
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Nov 17, 2016 04:18
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It's the 17mm that gets me, with my three Japanese vehicles. Every set of box-ends in stores around here omits it and I think I had to pay  for one because I needed it that day and could not use a socket.Oddly, it's the only wrench I never lose.
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Nov 17, 2016 04:23
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Fermented Tinal posted:It's the 17mm that gets me, with my three Japanese vehicles. Every set of box-ends in stores around here omits it and I think I had to pay 18mm is the one for me. Gms use it randomly. Germans LOVE to use it for alignment parts. And I still never use my 9mm. I think it should be removed from all sets and an extra 8 or 10.
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Nov 17, 2016 04:34
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Don't need an extra 8mm. It might be smaller, but when was the last time you lost one?
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Sagebrush posted:Nearly everything on my Honda motorcycles comes off with 8, 10, 12, 14 and 17mm sockets and 3, 4, 5, 6 and 8mm hex keys. It's great. You can completely disassemble a cb125 with the toolkit that came under the seat. The one thing that threw me for a loop was pulling the rotor from the engine until I realized THIS. 
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Nov 17, 2016 04:52
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Hah, yep. That's the front axle, right? Same thing on my CL350.
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Raluek posted:I'm not sure they can, anymore. Steve Jobs' most important role at Apple (IMO) was telling people when not to do something because it's stupid, and he's dead now. Which is pretty loving ironic. Panaflex posted:The DeLorean has a total of two 7mm bolts that I ever encountered. Both hold the AC belt tensioner to the front of the block (which was only put on that PRV-6 because power steering was omitted in the design of the car). Also the knee bolsters below the dashboard are held on by 6mm bolts. My 2012 Jeep interior is full of 7mm.
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Have you ever noticed that no equipment uses, like, 9¾ mm hex‐head bolts? No one makes bolts that size and no one makes drivers that size so even VAG engineers are unable to put one in the BOM. We should outlaw the production and importation of all the weird sizes like 9 mm.
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:You can completely disassemble a cb125 with the toolkit that came under the seat. But did you ever get that CB125 working again? You need to update that post.
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Nov 17, 2016 05:33
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Platystemon posted:Have you ever noticed that no equipment uses, like, 9¾ mm hex‐head bolts? This is a good post. And i have had to replace MANY 8mm sockets from working on many Japanese cars. Usually its my 3/8 8mm i still have my full set of 1/4 metrics somehow. And why does ford feel the need to use 4.5mm tiny screws 
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DoLittle posted:The European standard is actually M5 - 8 mm, M6 - 10 mm, M8 - 13 mm, M10 - 17 mm, M12 -19 mm etc. See this poo poo is the only thing that makes me appreciate SAE hardware - the head of the bolt/nut is 1.5 times larger than the thread. 1/2" bolt? 3/4" wrench. 1/4" bolt? 3/8" wrench. Unless it's a heavy hex, then it's 1.5x the thread diameter plus 1/8". Other than that, gently caress fractions. Quick - whats one bigger than 9/32"?
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17/64"? I thought it was double nominator & denominator, subtract 1 from nominator. (Unless I'm some horrible mathematical failure  )
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charliemonster42 posted:See this poo poo is the only thing that makes me appreciate SAE hardware - the head of the bolt/nut is 1.5 times larger than the thread. 1/2" bolt? 3/4" wrench. 1/4" bolt? 3/8" wrench. Unless it's a heavy hex, then it's 1.5x the thread diameter plus 1/8". 10/32, duh! Now get me a 12/32 drive ratchet and a 128/32 inch extender to go with it so we can get started E: TotalLossBrain posted:17/64"? It's 5/16. Thankfully I have never seen an SAE socket with anything larger than 32 in the denominator The Door Frame fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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Nov 17, 2016 06:35
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Cojawfee posted:9/33" John Cage’s ill‐received sequel.
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Cojawfee posted:9/33" that's, uh, slightly smaller than 9/32 anyway point stands. picking fasteners is one thing, but just try doing mental math with it, especially when you have to mix fractional and decimal. "I have a 29/64 thick piece of wood, and I have a 1/4" router bit, and the maximum cut depth of the tool is 4/3 of the tool diameter, and the router table is 3/4" thick. how far do I insert the tool into the collet? 
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Nov 17, 2016 06:44
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jamal posted:JIS standard goes 10,12,14,17 while other standards are generally 10,13,15,18 for m6, 8, 10, 12 respectively. Nothing more annoying than a non-jis bolt on a Japanese car and needing a different size wrench. Apparently the Japanese won't use 13mm bolts anywhere on their cars because superstition.
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Sagebrush posted:that's, uh, slightly smaller than 9/32 I just punch these in to Wolfram|Alpha or a suitably‐featured calculator.
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Powershift posted:There should be a store where you can just go in and scoop them into a bag. 1/2 a pound of 10mm sockets, 1/4 pound of 13mm sockets, and a box of #2 robertson screwdriver bits. I'm constantly surprised that Princess Auto here in Canada hasn't picked up the torch on this. I can buy 1000 o-rings but not 100 pack of sockets what an outrage
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I thought Princess Auto was a joke name that guy on youtube used.
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8ender posted:I'm constantly surprised that Princess Auto here in Canada hasn't picked up the torch on this. I can buy 1000 o-rings but not 100 pack of sockets what an outrage No, princess auto is our harbour freight. Every red blooded canadian has memories of going in there as a kid and going straight to the surplus section to see what kind of wacky chinese poo poo fell off the truck. http://www.princessauto.com/en/b/surplus/surplus/N-t2zgtp
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Pomp and Circumcized posted:Apparently the Japanese won't use 13mm bolts anywhere on their cars because superstition. Why the gently caress is that a Japanese superstition?
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Godholio posted:Why the gently caress is that a Japanese superstition? Japan likes to take western concepts and say "Yes, we do that too now."
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It's an everybody superstition, but numerology is still very much on display in much of eastern Asia.
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I thought their deal was the number 4 because it's close to a word for death. Unlucky 13 is such a bizarre superstition to adopt and even more bizarre to take it seriously, but lord knows we've taken equally stupid beliefs because "ancient cultures once..."
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Godholio posted:Why the gently caress is that a Japanese superstition? It isn't. I checked some Japanese language sources and the old JIS standard allowed either 13mm or 12mm heads for M8 fittings. Most sites seem to think that 12mm is used on cars because of the tight working spaces. Apparently all M8s are 13mm under the new JIS standard though so if you go down to a hardware store, that's what you're likely to find. Not once was there any mention of superstitions. Some buildings do skip the 4th, 9th and yes sometimes even 13th floors but its by no means a standard. The traditional pronunciation of 4 (shi) is the same as death, and the short pronunciation of 9 (ku) is the same as the simple reading for the kanji for suffering. For these reasons you should never give somebody a comb (kushi) as a present because it means you wish them suffering and death. 
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Fermented Tinal posted:It's the 17mm that gets me, with my three Japanese vehicles. Every set of box-ends in stores around here omits it and I think I had to pay I bought a deep impact socket set once and it came with 2 17mm sockets, and no 16mm. I turned one into a drift (ie: I used it as a drift once and now it's totally unusable for anything else). And for that odd time I need 16mm deep impact, 5/8" is close enough. Actually, for anyone who cares, Snap-on sells 2 sets of 3/8" drive swivel impact sockets, one SAE and one metric, and are often on a BOGO sale. The SAE set has 7/16", 1/2", 9/16", 5/8", and 3/4", while the metric set has 10mm, 12mm, 13mm, 14mm, 15mm, 17mm, and 18mm. It was only recently that I realised it is actually one combined set, covering every standard size from 10mm all the way up to 3/4" (which is actually onlu 0.05mm longer than 19mm), as each set fills out the holes in the other. 1/2" and 13mm are occasionally interchangeable if the tolerance on the bolt head is out enough. Sagebrush posted:anyway point stands. picking fasteners is one thing, but just try doing mental math with it, especially when you have to mix fractional and decimal. "I have a 29/64 thick piece of wood, and I have a 1/4" router bit, and the maximum cut depth of the tool is 4/3 of the tool diameter, and the router table is 3/4" thick. how far do I insert the tool into the collet? I want to print this out and make little cards I can hand out to old guys who tell me that "Standard isn't so bad, once you get your head around it."
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Midjack posted:It's an everybody superstition, but numerology is still very much on display in much of eastern Asia. It doesn't make sense for Japan to get upset about religious poo poo in Western Europe in 1307.
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clam ache posted:And I still never use my 9mm. I think it should be removed from all sets and an extra 8 or 10. Bicycles commonly use 9mm. In fact, I didn't have one of those until I got my bike; my metric wrenches started at 10mm. Godholio posted:Which is pretty loving ironic. Agreed. Cojawfee posted:I thought Princess Auto was a joke name that guy on youtube used. Home of the POWER FIST brand of hand tools! Maybe I should visit canada someday...
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Powershift posted:No, princess auto is our harbour freight. As a kid? Yeah. Umm, as a kid. Of course. Adults would never do that. 
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charliemonster42 posted:See this poo poo is the only thing that makes me appreciate SAE hardware - the head of the bolt/nut is 1.5 times larger than the thread. 1/2" bolt? 3/4" wrench. 1/4" bolt? 3/8" wrench. Unless it's a heavy hex, then it's 1.5x the thread diameter plus 1/8". I wish what you said up top was true, and it seems to be for the larger sizes, 1/2" especially. 3/4 is the normal sized hex, the heavy nuts we have for the t-slot hardware for our mills are 7/8" nuts. Unfortunately, it falls off at smaller sizes- I know for a fact that a 1/4" machine screw takes a nut that a 7/16" wrench fits, a 3/8" wrench belongs to a #10 screw, a #8 screw takes a 11/32, and a 5/16" screw has a 1/2" nut, 9/16" for heavy. Perhaps a safer bet would be to say heavy nuts go to the next size up? 1/4" goes from 7/16" to 1/2" wrench sizes, 1/2" is the native wrench size for 5/16" which sizes up to 9/16" in a heavy nut, which is the native wrench size for 3/8"... Can you guess what size fasteners we use a whole lot at work? glyph fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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Raluek posted:Bicycles commonly use 9mm. In fact, I didn't have one of those until I got my bike; my metric wrenches started at 10mm. Don't forget ProPoint which are marketed as "higher end" than PowerFist but are literally the same tools painted a different colour.
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The Door Frame posted:I thought their deal was the number 4 because it's close to a word for death. Unlucky 13 is such a bizarre superstition to adopt and even more bizarre to take it seriously, but lord knows we've taken equally stupid beliefs because "ancient cultures once..." I think it's China where the number 4 is bad luck.
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