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Ensign Expendable posted:Gay? The military? Why I never! Hey, it gets lonely and cold when you're stationed above the arctic circle and the only female within 500 kilometres is a reindeer. VERY lonely So lonely and cold that you start to question if you picked the right theater to fight in
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This is a pretty incredible visualization of WWII casualties: http://www.fallen.io/ww2/ Would highly recommend checking it out!
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# ? Nov 17, 2016 22:41 |
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The Fall of Rome, one of the greatest atrocities committed in the ancient world. Number of gay people killed by nazis: eh, less than 16 so who cares Also interesting which groups of people get a "their own records say X, but we'll go with the higher number from an unspecified source" and which get "this number is controversial, but we'll go with the lowest count". Looks real nifty, though. Also nothing happened in Finland or Norway at any point during the war. Waci fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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Waci posted:The Fall of Rome, one of the greatest atrocities committed in the ancient world. Yea there are some weird choices in the interpretation for sure, would love to hear more thoughts on sources!
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# ? Nov 17, 2016 23:42 |
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I get what they're trying to do here, but seeing stick figures fly around without numbers displayed half the time doesn't really offer a good way to interpret the data at all.
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# ? Nov 17, 2016 23:57 |
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Really? I would argue that's probably one of the things it does best, a strict visual scale allows a more intuitive comparison than numbers do, and starting from things that the audience is probably more familiar with (the stuff they make war movies about) helps to illustrate the sense of scale of the parts that tend to be glossed over.
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# ? Nov 17, 2016 23:59 |
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Why is that visualization convinced that the Fall of Rome is one of the greatest atrocities of history? Don't get me wrong, it's good, but I'm a bit worried about their sources and that they seemed to arbitrarily switch between using high and low estimates for deaths (and that they were just like "Oh yeah all those other Holocaust victims were a thing but the numbers look kinda small so lol let's not put it up there"). Also, B-17 Flying Death Camps, Allies lied about targeting civilians, etc. etc. is a bit off-putting. E: Also, the bit about the Long Peace and major powers not fighting each other - maybe it has something to do with all the nukes and not wanting to wipe out the human race. Not some growing spirit of worldwide pacifism. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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OwlFancier posted:Really? I would argue that's probably one of the things it does best, a strict visual scale allows a more intuitive comparison than numbers do, and starting from things that the audience is probably more familiar with (the stuff they make war movies about) helps to illustrate the sense of scale of the parts that tend to be glossed over. Yeah, it's trying to convey a sense of scale to a non-expert audience. I'm even willing to roll with their choice in statistics for that, since the over-all intent is to create an impression of the magnitude of the casualties. I've done something similar in Holocaust classes i've taught, going really in depth on one person's life story so they get involved and have at least some emotional reaction when they find out they died, then talking about how many people from that person's village died, how many were killed in the action she died in, how many similar massacres happened that year in Eastern Europe, and then stepping it up to total dead in the Holocaust. If you just start out with "Six Million" people can't wrap their skulls around it, but if you step it up starting with units that they can grasp the enormity slowly trickles in.
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# ? Nov 18, 2016 00:13 |
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I haven't looked at this site yet because phone, but how do they even define the Fall of Rome? Is there an accepted definition of that?
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Elyv posted:I haven't looked at this site yet because phone, but how do they even define the Fall of Rome? Is there an accepted definition of that? I guess look at old documents and check the date when references to the city of Rome stop showing up. Have archaeologists found the exact site of Rome yet or are they still looking?
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# ? Nov 18, 2016 00:36 |
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P-Mack posted:I guess look at old documents and check the date when references to the city of Rome stop showing up. References to Rome never stop. The "Fall of Rome" is generally assumed to be when the Ostrogoths took over the place in the late 5th century, but the city was still renowned all over the place. Also Rome is where Rome is now, there's bits of it still there you can go and see.
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# ? Nov 18, 2016 00:43 |
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People who believe the fall of Rome to be one of history's greatest tragedies need to look a bit harder at the bloated, corrupt mess that Rome had become. Julius Caesar's Dictatorship was the real death of Rome as something to aspire to, and even then it was a barely functional Republic.
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The video certainly has some rather... strange choices about what it focuses on and what points it tries to make it's true. Also I personally might argue that rather than the "fall of Rome" being the thing to focus on perhaps the establishment of the Roman empire might be worth more time in terms of wholesale human death?
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# ? Nov 18, 2016 00:48 |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I hope you have good Quebecer patois because most of the sources that I've found are in Canadian French. This is a good quick overview of prewar organization of the militia et al: http://www.militaryheritage.com/nfrance.htm For the fun of it, here's a quick translation quote:For more than 150 years from 1608 to 1759, France had to resist military efforts from many enemies, ranging from the English, the Dutch, and the various Native Tribes in order to maintain a North American Colony, New France. The defense of this country rested on three major pillars: The Millita, the Compagnies franches de la Marine and French regular regiments. In this article the French organisation for the defense of New France will be described. Nine of Eight fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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Endman posted:References to Rome never stop. The "Fall of Rome" is generally assumed to be when the Ostrogoths took over the place in the late 5th century, but the city was still renowned all over the place. I know, I was trying for a joke there. Probably should have committed to it more. Anyway, I agree with everyone that bringing in wild guesses at numbers from ancient history probably is distracting and not terribly helpful, but the general idea isn't bad. Presenting data in a different way sometimes helps the part of our brains that sees a big number and just says "statistic." I remember the big light up terrain map at Gettysburg years ago having a similar thing with little light up stick figures, dunno if that's still there.
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# ? Nov 18, 2016 01:02 |
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Endman posted:Julius Caesar's Dictatorship was the real death of Rome as something to aspire to, and even then it was a barely functional Republic. A barely functional Republic is something to aspire to then? The early Principate was actually a clearly better state than the 100 or so years of Republican government that preceded it, since at least all the civil wars stopped.
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# ? Nov 18, 2016 01:23 |
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It's also pretty bizarre to hold up any ancient government up to our standards of "good" vs "bad." The Empire and Republic both had their hosed up aspects, but they were pretty decent places to live if you happened to be born in Europe/N.Africa at the time.
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# ? Nov 18, 2016 01:36 |
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OwlFancier posted:Really? I would argue that's probably one of the things it does best, a strict visual scale allows a more intuitive comparison than numbers do, and starting from things that the audience is probably more familiar with (the stuff they make war movies about) helps to illustrate the sense of scale of the parts that tend to be glossed over. I guess, but they only show the scale for Axis military casualties and then scroll up on Soviet ones and show the number there. They don't even show the bars at the same time in that segment, which would be something you'd expect to gauge a sense of scale. What they do display over the Axis minors is a swastika that looks like it's drawn in MS Paint in case... I guess we forgot what side they fought on?
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Ensign Expendable posted:I guess, but they only show the scale for Axis military casualties and then scroll up on Soviet ones and show the number there. They don't even show the bars at the same time in that segment, which would be something you'd expect to gauge a sense of scale. I guarantee the average American has no loving clue what side of the war Romania was on.
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Wait, I might have a lovely memory sometimes but I am sure that data didn't cover the 1st World War deaths? Or is my brain broken?
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# ? Nov 18, 2016 02:32 |
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Oh look, it's Klinger's dad.
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# ? Nov 18, 2016 02:53 |
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P-Mack posted:I guarantee the average American has no loving clue what side of the war Romania was on. I mean there's two options and you're not technically wrong with either
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# ? Nov 18, 2016 03:00 |
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Thanks for that nine of eight. Interesting read.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Yeah, it's trying to convey a sense of scale to a non-expert audience. I'm even willing to roll with their choice in statistics for that, since the over-all intent is to create an impression of the magnitude of the casualties. I'd be really interested to hear more about how you do this, like a specific story.
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Nine of Eight posted:For the fun of it, here's a quick translation Not bad, some stuff could be cleaned up. (You keep writing Milita, not Militia) Asuch dit le Parisien - "Un Autre" = "Another" or literally "One other" "Canadian militiamen often engaging in join expeditions with their native allies," should be "Canadian militiamen often take part in expeditions with allied native indians." But that's just a cursory glance. Not much Quebecer in that text, though, so not sure why anyone said that
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I hope you have good Quebecer patois because most of the sources that I've found are in Canadian French. I do miss out on some of the context, like this: quote:This is why we find soldiers with names like Berthiaume said Legros, Doe said the grocer Another told the Parisien and of course the soldiers Sanspeur, Sanschagrin Lavictoire and pretaboire. Too many nouns. Anyway good find, thanks! I'd found bits of that chart from the first link on a reenactor page bit the full one has enough stuff to trace more lines. What's up with those pole arm guys? Are they just there for dehorsing dudes? DiHK fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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Jamwad Hilder posted:I'd be really interested to hear more about how you do this, like a specific story. My 8th grade English teacher did it by having every student bring in huge bags of rice (which were donated to charity, I think) and then pointed out how many bags were needed to represent every dead person. I think a good way would be to get the population of your school's town, and compare that to the 6 million figure. Make them imagine the concept of literally every single person they'll see this week, including themselves, being killed. Then the whole rest of the metro area.
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JcDent posted:
So, this was posted on livejournal, in regards to this gunwagon: my friend translated this for me posted:[here] we can see the most interesting instances - Air Defence Missile System"Kvadrat" mounted on the chassis (export model of ADMS "Kub"), 85-mm Zenith cannon KS-1 and a 100-mm KS-19. Looks pretty apocalyptic, just like from "Red Alert". In the background, if my eyes are not deceiving me, there are two more KS-19s, but on truck chassis, ZSU-57-2, wheelbarrows with different weaponry, and I think, couple of "Gvozdika". In the next picture, 85-mm up close. Gotta say, I love how the export version of "Kub" (cube) is called "Kvadrat" (square) As far as my own "reasearch" had produced at that point, in a message to Hogge Wild posted:My friend hasn't gotten back to me yet, but it seems someone took the TEL (learned a new acronym today) from this It was apparently from a Hezbollah column that also included T-54s and Kornet missiles on quadbikes.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Not much Quebecer in that text, though, so not sure why anyone said that Yeah it's poorly edited, but there's not a whole lot of canadianisms that I could see. People don't generally write in Quebecer anyway, unless they're trying to purposely depict the accent. Kind of like how people don't write in Australian.
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HEY GAL posted:if that's tilly, chances are the guy is supposed to be from Spain, where there were a bunch of darker skinned people--either slaves or otherwise. If Queen Anne of Denmark can have a black attendant in 1617 Tilly can have a black soldier in 16fuckety-five or whenever imo.
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:If Queen Anne of Denmark can have a black attendant in 1617 Tilly can have a black soldier in 16fuckety-five or whenever imo.
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It never stops catching me off guard how there were Japanese and Korean slaves in Portugal in the late 1500's. They are on entirely opposite sides of the world, you're not supposed to cross hemispheres like that!
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Siivola posted:It never stops catching me off guard how there were Japanese and Korean slaves in Portugal in the late 1500's. They are on entirely opposite sides of the world, you're not supposed to cross hemispheres like that!
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How many samurai does it take to beat a tercio?
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# ? Nov 18, 2016 14:58 |
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Fangz posted:How many samurai does it take to beat a tercio? How many samurai you got?
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Fangz posted:How many samurai does it take to beat a tercio? i imagine cannon beats samurai
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# ? Nov 18, 2016 15:07 |
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I remember it was mentioned a while back that Japan independently came up with countermarching pike and shot tactics at the same time as in Europe if not earlier. The way world history is all tied together is something I wish schools and pop history would do a better job of conveying, but I dunno how to do it.
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FAUXTON posted:How many samurai you got? Just Tom Cruise. P-Mack posted:I remember it was mentioned a while back that Japan independently came up with countermarching pike and shot tactics at the same time as in Europe if not earlier. True but as I understand it they didn't use mass formations until the boshin war. Instead they would deploy in smaller groups, especially ranged units. Somebody else could be a lot more detailed than this but the short answer is that war in glorious Nippon did not resemble it's European counterpart at all. DiHK fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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P-Mack posted:I remember it was mentioned a while back that Japan independently came up with countermarching pike and shot tactics at the same time as in Europe if not earlier.
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DiHK posted:Just Tom Cruise. I ran across a picture of that movie poster a couple days ago and it's still cringeworthy. Tom Cruise more like Tom Sawyer, whitewashing magnate.
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