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the black husserl posted:Which will convince exactly no one. Who gives a poo poo about bipartisanship anymore? Well then we can say we're going to do better then trumps BROKEN PROMISES!
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Nov 18, 2016 05:25
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Watching a bunch of die hard right wing 'patriots' cheer Trump getting cozy to Putin is so loving sad, or it would be if it wasn't so loving terrifying. White Pride Worldwide, indeed.  zegermans posted:Am I correct in my belief that Flynn is basically a stupider Curtis LeMay? He seems to bellyache a lot about the "we try to kinda not kill innocent people" thing. Flynn is a man who would happily commit genocide. He's an utter monster and belongs in a forgotten cell in Gitmo more than almost anyone else. He'd personally murder Trump and his entire family on national TV if it let him create a Starship Troopers-style military government. theblackw0lf posted:He said fear of Muslims is rational Trump is going to be the single biggest recruiting tool that ISIS could've dreamed of. I fully expect Trump to directly state something to the effect of "we're at war with Islam" during his SOTU which will be replayed endlessly in the Middle East.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:26
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I think at this point we can agree that Trump was a victory for just about every horrible, regressive, manipulative bastard out there and the next few years are going to be absolutely miserable as every horrible idea Obama fought tooth and nail to barely keep down is let out, celebrated, and then treated with utter shock when it all comes crashing down a year or so later with our golden idiot child king raging all the while.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:30
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Geostomp posted:I think at this point we can agree that Trump was a victory for just about every horrible, regressive, manipulative bastard out there and the next few years are going to be absolutely miserable as every horrible idea Obama fought tooth and nail to barely keep down is let out, celebrated, and then treated with utter shock when it all comes crashing down a year or so later with our golden idiot child king raging all the while. I'd rather have an Idiot King for President than Trump
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Nov 18, 2016 05:32
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I'd rather have an Idiot King for President than Trump I'd vote for them 
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Nov 18, 2016 05:34
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I just want off of Mr Trump's wild ride aaaggh!!!
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Nov 18, 2016 05:34
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https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/799455529756139521 Follow the thread. Basically: Trump invented that Ford was closing a plant, tweeted it, became his own source, fake news ran with it, and hours later real news finally corrected the story to no avail. Fake news is here to stay and the President knows he can say anything and get away with it.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:38
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I'd rather have an Idiot King for President than Trump We have the worst of both worlds with Trump: evil and stupid. It's just too bad that's what so many seem to desire these days.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:38
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Crain posted:https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/799455529756139521 is this really news to you at this point?
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Nov 18, 2016 05:40
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Crain posted:https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/799455529756139521 But what can we do? 
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Nov 18, 2016 05:42
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^^Yell corrections into the void. ^^NewForumSoftware posted:is this really news to you at this point? We've been saying that right wing media has their own version of reality since before Colbert even made his joke. Every year it's gotten worse. At this point it's like visiting a grave site. "Yep. It's dead still"
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Nov 18, 2016 05:42
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Crain posted:We've been saying that right wing media has their own version of reality since before Colbert even made his joke. I mean, agreed, but if you don't think the left wing media has the same echo chambers just lol
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Nov 18, 2016 05:44
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Cup Runneth Over posted:But what can we do? Create our own loving narratives? I work in advertising. This is not that hard. The right wing is only winning this fight because the left wing's creative element is too slow to wake up and realize what happened to the world.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:45
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NewForumSoftware posted:I mean, agreed, but if you don't think the left wing media has the same echo chambers just lol Yeah but if you don't instablock lovely left wing clickbait you aren't even a leftist. That poo poo is for the dumb well meaning rubes you friended from your community theater.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:46
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greatn posted:Yeah but if you don't instablock lovely left wing clickbait you aren't even a leftist. That poo poo is for the dumb well meaning rubes you friended from your community theater. honestly ad-fueled social media networks are a plague on humanity, do yourself a favor and delete your facebook/twitter/linkedin/pinterest/instagram/snapgoggles accounts
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Nov 18, 2016 05:48
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There's the battle between progressive and regressive, but there's also the battle between reality and fantasy, and sadly reality is losing. It's hard to fight against crazy made up bullshit because you cannot argue against it. A great example of it was years ago on the Penn Gillet podcast, Joe Rogan was on with Phil Plate and Rogan was spouting off crazy Moon Landing hoax stuff and Plate was at a loss of words because his arguments were in reality. Conspiracy types took this to mean that clearly Rogan was right and Plate was wrong because Rogan's arguments could not be countered. The amount of people who buy into fantasies and have that rule their lives, whether it be silly and ultimately harmless like worrying subway buns are made out of yoga mats, to real important stuff like who is lying to you to exploit you in government.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:48
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Stop calling it fake news Its propaganda. This is what authoritariane do.
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the black husserl posted:Create our own loving narratives? I work in advertising. This is not that hard. The right wing is only winning this fight because the left wing's creative element is too slow to wake up and realize what happened to the world. This poo poo is straight out of the Goebbels playbook and you can't deny that dude knew what he was doing
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Nov 18, 2016 05:49
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twistedmentat posted:There's the battle between progressive and regressive, but there's also the battle between reality and fantasy, and sadly reality is losing. Reality already lost, check out the climate. I mean let's be honest, we're just witnessing the death throes of modern civilization 
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Nov 18, 2016 05:49
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twistedmentat posted:There's the battle between progressive and regressive, but there's also the battle between reality and fantasy, and sadly reality is losing. The difference is that reality doesn't care whether or not people believe in it and it will assert itself regardless.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:50
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The proliferation of fake news and the discrediting of journalism by sheer inertia has made a lot of 1984 begin to happen. It's loving frightening and I don't see any way out of it. I had a recent conflict with a friend wrt me trying to disprove some false news thing he heard and his response was basically "Well did you see it for yourself? How can you ever know what you've heard is true" and I just wanted to cry
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Nov 18, 2016 05:51
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Tir McDohl posted:The proliferation of fake news and the discrediting of journalism by sheer inertia has made a lot of 1984 begin to happen. It's loving frightening and I don't see any way out of it. I had a recent conflict with a friend wrt me trying to disprove some false news thing he heard and his response was basically "Well did you see it for yourself? How can you ever know what you've heard is true" and I just wanted to cry It's really a lot more like Brave New World at this point than 1984
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Nov 18, 2016 05:52
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Seriously, Karl Rove called it back in 2004. quote:The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."[2] Gail Wynand posted:Not being willing to constantly lie outrageously makes this kind of tough
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Nov 18, 2016 05:53
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Nov 18, 2016 05:54
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NewForumSoftware posted:It's really a lot more like Brave New World at this point than 1984 Sorry, I hadn't read Brave New World so I couldn't pull that one but from what I know of it you're right. gently caress, I should read Brave New World when I'm a little less depressed.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:54
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All right, if we had to lie to ever get back power, what is the best lie we could come up with? "Trump calls out Sean Hannity on support for Paul Ryan" First, fabricating infighting will avoid sounding like fake news targeted specifically toward left-wingers. Second, the accused person will have to respond to the allegations by picking a side or remain silent and let the fake news fester, which means the fake news will then have a chance of becoming reality.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:54
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If there's any solution to this mess, it's not creating our own fake news sphere. I think Truth is highly valued by our side of the political equation unfortunately.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:57
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Tir McDohl posted:Sorry, I hadn't read Brave New World so I couldn't pull that one but from what I know of it you're right. Honestly we haven't even begun to feel the impacts of the smartphones/social networking proliferating throughout society. Rising highway deaths and fake news are just the canaries in the coal mine.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:57
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Just calling it out now: Please don't bring up that new BlackMirror episode.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:59
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galenanorth posted:All right, if we had to lie to ever get back power, what is the best lie we could come up with? Tir McDohl posted:If there's any solution to this mess, it's not creating our own fake news sphere. I think Truth is highly valued by our side of the political equation unfortunately. We don't need fake news. We need a new loving identity. The advertising industry creates them all the time. The alt-right built one for this election. You think the left can't do it? Cause this is where the war is fought now. It isn't fought over policy or facts on the ground. the black husserl fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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Nov 18, 2016 06:02
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Also, the Democratic Party is really bad at using the tools of the right. I know a ton of posters here were super into it, but the attempts at coopting the right's use of patriotism at the DNC just did not work and were really the one misstep in an otherwise incredibly well done event. Fighting the right on their own terms doesn't work because they're too loving good at it.
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Nov 18, 2016 06:02
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Crain posted:Just calling it out now: Please don't bring up that new BlackMirror episode. David Cameron hosed a pig.
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Nov 18, 2016 06:06
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Paradoxish posted:Also, the Democratic Party is really bad at using the tools of the right. I know a ton of posters here were super into it, but the attempts at coopting the right's use of patriotism at the DNC just did not work and were really the one misstep in an otherwise incredibly well done event. Fighting the right on their own terms doesn't work because they're too loving good at it. It seems a lot of DNC politicians refuse to wear flag pins because they're synonymous with Republicans Now think of how bad that looks to an average American
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Jon Schwarz at The Intercept had a pretty good article that addressed this. The left doesn't need fake news, it just needs a coherent, easy-to-follow, and generally truthful narrative https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/donald-trump-will-be-president-this-is-what-we-do-next/ quote:3. We need a story.
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Nov 18, 2016 06:14
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The feeling that I have gotten from reading dnd over the last two weeks is that most of you feel that the average voter is too stupid or racist to make good choices and so we've wound up with Trump. That we can't win by playing by the rules and that we need to lie, cheat, and perhaps even use force as much as the enemy. We aren't going to convince citizens to do the right thing with education and truth, because every time we try that the idiot masses vote to either gently caress themselves or gently caress over someone else. There is a profoundly undemocratic sentiment that seems to be brewing right now. Using the tactics of the enemy will change you to the point you'll lose what you were fighting for. The smooth politician who can use authoritarian tactics to achieve progressive goals doesn't exist. The kind of person, say like Bernie, who gives a poo poo about other people enough to fight for progressive goals, could simply never bring themselves to lie and backstab like Trump does. He intrinsically trusts the people, that's why he's a progressive in the first place.
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:The feeling that I have gotten from reading dnd over the last two weeks is that most of you feel that the average voter is too stupid or racist to make good choices and so we've wound up with Trump. That we can't win by playing by the rules and that we need to lie, cheat, and perhaps even use force as much as the enemy. We aren't going to convince citizens to do the right thing with education and truth, because every time we try that the idiot masses vote to either gently caress themselves or gently caress over someone else. There is a profoundly undemocratic sentiment that seems to be brewing right now. I really haven't seen a single person advocate Lie cheat and use force on the Republican's without joking or being sarcastic about it. I really think you are overstating all of this.
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:The feeling that I have gotten from reading dnd over the last two weeks is that most of you feel that the average voter is too stupid or racist to make good choices and so we've wound up with Trump. That we can't win by playing by the rules and that we need to lie, cheat, and perhaps even use force as much as the enemy. We aren't going to convince citizens to do the right thing with education and truth, because every time we try that the idiot masses vote to either gently caress themselves or gently caress over someone else. There is a profoundly undemocratic sentiment that seems to be brewing right now. this is a good post. ultimately, everything we're fighting for is for the benefit of the people. the rust belt that flipped the election? they're people that feel they've been given the short end of the stick by the government. they voted for Trump because they believed he could bring change. if we can't stick by the people and reach and build connections, there's no point to anything at all
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Paradoxish posted:Also, the Democratic Party is really bad at using the tools of the right. I know a ton of posters here were super into it, but the attempts at coopting the right's use of patriotism at the DNC just did not work and were really the one misstep in an otherwise incredibly well done event. Fighting the right on their own terms doesn't work because they're too loving good at it. I'm not really sure that this is true, considering that the high water point of the Hillary campaign polling wise was after the one two punch of the successful DNC and Trump tripping over himself to start a war with a Gold Star family. The problem was that the messaging of the DNC ended after the convention did and they assumed that the major factor was the negative reaction to the Khan family debacle, rather than positive reaction to the DNC.
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Lightning Knight posted:I'm not really sure that this is true, considering that the high water point of the Hillary campaign polling wise was after the one two punch of the successful DNC and Trump tripping over himself to start a war with a Gold Star family. Oh no, the DNC on the whole was great. I'm talking about what amounted to about half a night of speeches here.
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