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mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Koirhor posted:

So sticking in a diesel engine is cool but clamoring for the turbo is bad gotcha

Sorry, let me clear that up: diesel and/or turbo bad, gas N/A good. Everyone only likes the idea of turbodiesel brown manual wagons because they're all exotic and european. If you actually had to live with that, and every other piece of poo poo on the road was a rattling silver (because brown is actually too "out there") wagon, it'd quickly lose appeal.

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# ? May 20, 2024 15:28

fknlo: Jul 6, 2009; Fun Shoe

Chevy finally debuted the Colorado ZR2:

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NEW COLORADO ZR2 A �SEGMENT OF ONE� AMONG OFF-ROAD PICKUPS

New performance variant of the Chevrolet Colorado excels in tight two-tracks, technical rock-crawling, fast desert running and on pavement

LOS ANGELES � Just as introduction of the Chevrolet Colorado reset the bar for mid-size trucks, the new Colorado ZR2 is poised to reset expectations for off-road trucks. Chevy�s new performance halo for the Colorado lineup will feature more off-road technology than any other mid-size pickup when it goes on sale.

The ZR2 is effectively a segment of one, combining the nimbleness and maneuverability of a mid-size pickup with a host of new off-road features and the most off-road technology of any vehicle in its segment.

Compared to a standard Colorado, the ZR2 features a much wider track and a lifted suspension. Functional rockers have been added for better performance over rocks and obstacles, and the front and rear bumpers have been modified for better off-road clearance.

Class-exclusive features include front and rear electronic locking differentials, available diesel engine, and the first off-road application of Multimatic Dynamic Suspensions Spool Valve (DSSVTM) damper technology.

As a result, the Colorado ZR2 delivers exceptional performance in a variety of scenarios � from technical rock crawling to tight two-track trails to high-speed desert running to daily driving.

�Our engineers have been incredibly successful developing Corvette and Camaro performance variants with broad performance envelopes,� said Mark Reuss, executive vice president, Global Product Development, Purchasing and Supply Chain. �The ZR2 applies that same philosophy to off-road performance. You can go rock crawling on Saturday, desert running on Sunday, and comfortably drive to work on Monday. This truck can do it all, and do it all well.�

First off-road application of Multimatic DSSV dampers
To achieve this unprecedented balance of on- and off-road performance, the Chevy engineering team turned to a surprising partner in creating the ZR2�s dampers, which are the heart of any off-road truck.

Multimatic Inc., based in Markham, Ontario, is a renowned maker of high-performance Dynamic Suspensions Spool Valve (DSSV) dampers as used in championship-winning motorsport vehicles, including recent Formula One winners.

The first volume production vehicle to use DSSV dampers was the 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28. The 2017 Chevrolet Colorado ZR2 will be the first application of Multimatic DSSV damper technology to an off-road vehicle.

�From our experience on Z/28, we knew the performance advantages offered by DSSV dampers, � said Mark Dickens, executive director, Performance Variants, Performance Parts and Motorsports Engineering, Chevrolet. �We also know that Multimatic�s motorsport development mentality would allow us to bring a uniquely precise and repeatable custom damper to market even more quickly than a traditional damper system.�

Compared to deflected-disk valving common on most dampers, the ZR2 employs spool valves that offer increased precision and manufacturing repeatability along with enhanced ride and handling performance both on- and off-road.

The Colorado ZR2�s DSSV dampers are position-sensitive. Their aluminum bodies each house two spool valves providing both compression and rebound damping optimized for everyday driving. During extreme off-road use, a third, piston-mounted spool valve delivers additional, uniquely tuned, compression damping. The front dampers also employ a separate rebound valve, which comes into play when the suspension approaches full extension.

�A traditional, deflected-disc damper only offers two force-velocity curves for tuning,� Dickens said. �The ZR2 dampers offer six tuning curves for the front, four at the rear. For the driver, this translates to greater confidence and control in a wider range of driving experiences.�

Design meets mud, sand and rock
Visually, the production version of the Colorado ZR2 closely resembles the concept shown at the 2014 Los Angeles Auto Show. Consumer response to that concept was so overwhelming, the team knew they needed to carry as much of the original design into production as possible.

�For both the concept and the production versions of ZR2, the exterior design was shaped by the desire to improve capability driving over mud, sand and rock,� said Rich Scheer, director of design for Chevrolet Truck. �The wider, more aggressive stance, modified front and rear bumpers, and even the bed-mounted, spare-tire carrier all improve performance driving over rough terrain.�

Compared to a Colorado Z71, the ZR2 has a more aggressive side profile, with the suspension lifted two inches for greater ground clearance. The steel-tube, functional rocker protectors will be standard equipment on the ZR2, and are strong enough to protect the body side while dragging the truck against a rock face.

The ZR2 also features 17 x 8 inch aluminum wheels, in a pattern exclusive to the ZR2, wrapped in 31-inch Goodyear Duratrac off-road tires for exceptional traction.

The front and rear track has been widened by three-and-a-half inches, with new cast-iron control arms for greater durability in off-road situations. As a result, the ZR2 offers greater wheel travel and stability while traversing steep grades.

The front bumper of the ZR2 has tapered ends, to increase the tire clearance when approaching obstacles. The bumper also integrates a thick, aluminum skid plate protecting the radiator and engine oil pan, while the transfer case is protected by an additional shield. Above the bumper, the ZR2 features a more aggressive grille and hood � with black insert � to complement the other exterior changes.

A bed-mounted spare tire carrier, seen on reveal vehicles at the Los Angeles Auto Show, will be available as an accessory. �The bed-mounted spare tire adds a rugged look to ZR2, and serves a functional purpose. By relocating the spare to the bed, ZR2�s departure is improved and prevents any damage to the spare when you�re crawling over obstacles,� said Scheer.

Class-exclusive electronic lockers, available diesel engine
The ZR2 also features the most sophisticated four-wheel drive system in the segment. With class-exclusive, electronic-locking differentials front and rear and Chevrolet�s AutoTrac transfer case, the ZR2 offers nine drive configurations:

2WD
2WD, locked rear differential
Auto 4WD
Auto 4WD, locked rear differential
4WD Hi, locked transfer case
4WD Hi, locked transfer case and locked rear differential
4WD Lo, locked transfer case
4WD Lo, locked transfer case and locked rear differential
4WD Lo, locked transfer case, locked front and rear differentials

Extensive work was done to integrate the electronic lockers and allow them to seamlessly interact with the traction control, stability control, and hill-descent control. In addition, a new �Off-Road Mode� button, in combination with the traction control switch, allows the anti-lock brakes, traction control, and stability control calibrations to be tailored to different driving conditions. Off-road Mode also alters the throttle progression and shifts calibrations to give the driver better control and responsiveness.

The ZR2 shares its powertrains with the 2017 Colorado, and it will be the only extreme production off-road truck to offer the choice of gas or diesel engines.

The all-new 3.6L V-6, mated to a class-exclusive Hydra-Matic 8L45 8-speed automatic transmission, yields 308 horsepower and 275 lb-ft of torque, while the class-exclusive Duramax diesel engine produces 181 horsepower and 369 lb-ft of torque and will provide excellent range to overland drivers.

Even with all of the off-roading upgrades over the base truck, the ZR2 can still tow up to 5,000 lbs. � enough to pull a camper, trailer dirt bikes, jet skis, snow mobiles and other toys � or carry 1,100 lbs. of payload.

As such, the Colorado ZR2 offers a distinct position in the market: Compared to other midsize trucks, the Colorado offers an unrivaled suite of powertrain technologies; compared to full-size off-road trucks, the ZR2 is about a foot narrower and 500 pounds lighter, enabling greater agility over obstacles and better trail access.

�It�s amazing what a difference a foot of width makes off road,� said Dickens. �The smaller size of the Colorado is a huge enabler for taking the ZR2 more places, and getting it through tighter spots than you could access with a full-size truck.�

New, off-road development track at GM�s Yuma Proving Ground

For the development of the Colorado ZR2, Chevrolet developed new off-road test areas at General Motors� Yuma, Arizona Proving Ground.

The Yuma Proving Ground is located on 2,400 acres of land in southeastern Arizona. Opened in 2009, Yuma features a range of tracks, laboratories and courses.

The new off-road facility features a multitude of off-road simulations, including high-speed desert sand trails; low-speed, loose river rock crossings; and steep, technical hill climbs and descents.

Yuma Proving Ground�s new off-road course allowed the team to test multiple iterations of components on the ZR2 is a single day. These components were then tested a real-world facilities like Moab, Johnson Valley, and Rubicon to ensure the ZR2 is trail-ready right from the factory.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 16:01

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

The only diesels I've ever driven are the Mercedes turbodiesels in the ML and GL, and those both seemed pretty goddamn good, although I haven't driven them a whole lot.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 16:47

Humbug: Dec 3, 2006; Bogus

Diesels are great in big heavy cruisers coupled with automatic transmissions. Low relaxing revs, plenty torque and good milage. It just seems to be a polarizing engine type. Some proponents just looking at stats and thinking they are fun performance engines (they arn't), while some think they are rolling smogmachines with no place anywhere after the vw fiasco.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 18:27

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

They can be fun when properly specced. The 5.0 in the titan XD makes it go pretty good, and would do even better in something that wasn't 8000lbs.

On the flip side, the 3.0 in the ram 1500 is slow as baaaaaaaaaalls, but that engine seems way under-specced for the weight.

I would enjoy my 7.3 quite a bit more if i had more control over the transmission. I can force a shift by staying at half throttle through first and flooring it on the shift, but that's not as much fun. Locking up in forth happens at about 70kph which is 10 over most speed limits here. Once locked the truck will happily do 900rpm down the road at 60kph, but if it drops a little bit below the trans unlocks. The manual would be more fun and get better fuel economy even if it wasn't faster by the numbers. That said it is an engine designed to move a school bus in a 5800lb truck.

Obviously with the CX5, the turbo gas engine would be preferable, but they said they're not doing that, so i would think the diesel would be a consolation prize as long as you're ready to tune out the emissions stuff and deal with it being more expensive in the long run. The tune also seems to bring it up to about 230hp/375ft/lbs, which is probably enough.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 18:54

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

Old man had a 335d, at least until someone sideswiped him. RIP 335d, you were a blast, especially on the on ramp. I only wish it had lasted long enough to tune it.

Wistful of Dollars fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Nov 17, 2016

# ? Nov 17, 2016 19:18

OXBALLS DOT COM: Sep 11, 2005; by FactsAreUseless; Young Orc

Wistful of Dollars posted:

I'm sure some bean counters found an economic reason for it, but I'll forever have some bewilderment as to why some things would be available with one engine and not the other.

I was delighted playing on Porsche's website how much you could customize without being tied to 'packages'. That said, I know it's all an economics of scale and mass production thing.

Sort of. Porsche also designed their peocesses to be super flexible so they can do custom stuff more easily

# ? Nov 17, 2016 19:34

fknlo: Jul 6, 2009; Fun Shoe

Wistful of Dollars posted:

Old man had a 335d, at least until someone sideswiped him. RIP 335d, you were a blast, especially on the on ramp. I only wish it had lasted long enough to tune it.

I haven't driven a 335d, but the 3.0TDI Audi uses is a blast and they should have thrown it in an A4 here. In wagon form I definitely would have gotten one over my Golf even though it would have been fuckoff expensive.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 20:03

DEUCE SLUICE: Feb 6, 2004; I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.

Quick Draw McGraw posted:

Sort of. Porsche also designed their peocesses to be super flexible so they can do custom stuff more easily

And their option prices are loving *ludicrous,* which helps.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 20:45

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

DEUCE SLUICE posted:

And their option prices are loving *ludicrous,* which helps.

Yeah, i'm sure any chevy dealer will paint your belt buckles orange for $760.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 20:49

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

Powershift posted:

Yeah, i'm sure any chevy dealer will paint your belt buckles orange for $760.

I'll do it for free*

*customer satisfaction not guaranteed.

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Christobevii3: Jul 3, 2006

ZR2 with underspeced tie rods, what could possibly go wrong?

# ? Nov 18, 2016 01:48

ehnus: Apr 16, 2003; Now you're thinking with portals!

Christobevii3 posted:

ZR2 with underspeced tie rods, what could possibly go wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxrdwXXat14&t=27s

# ? Nov 18, 2016 01:55

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

Christobevii3 posted:

ZR2 with underspeced tie rods, what could possibly go wrong?

A whole new generation of duramax wobble videos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anxyz35AHaM

# ? Nov 18, 2016 01:57

Seat Safety Switch: May 27, 2008; MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.; Pillbug

Powershift posted:

A whole new generation of duramax wobble videos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anxyz35AHaM

I think all the Chevy 4x4s are still banned from the local track as a result of one of these geniuses taking out the Christmas tree.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 15:36

KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Quick Draw McGraw posted:

Sort of. Porsche also designed their peocesses to be super flexible so they can do custom stuff more easily

If you're charging Porsche prices, that covers for a lot of direct manufacturing and supply chain inefficiency.

It's not even that they designed their processes to be super flexible relative to other OEMs - all lines are highly modular and flexible now. Honda or Toyota could certainly offer a diversity of options as standalone from a manufacturing standpoint. If you're turning out 225,000 cars on a global basis, and your customers don't care about lead times, and your customers will pay $350 to get yellow seatbelts, you're already a lot closer to bespoke manufacturing.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 15:41

Olympic Mathlete: Feb 25, 2011

Quick Draw McGraw posted:

Sort of. Porsche also designed their peocesses to be super flexible so they can do custom stuff more easily

More easily maybe, definitely not faster... A friend of mine recently took delivery of his yellow Boxster (like last week or so). He ordered it at the start of January so what, only 10 months ago?

# ? Nov 18, 2016 16:01

Proud Christian Mom: Dec 20, 2006; READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

Most people want a car today which is why dealerships take up entire zipcodes and the supply chain is built to churn out all the white/silver/black mid-optioned models the world can bear

# ? Nov 18, 2016 16:23

Zorak of Michigan: Jun 10, 2006

Proud Christian Mom posted:

Most people want a car today which is why dealerships take up entire zipcodes and the supply chain is built to churn out all the white/silver/black mid-optioned models the world can bear

Intellectually I know this but I cannot wrap my head around it. OK, maybe if your car just got totaled in a wreck and it's buy now or pay rental prices for weeks, but otherwise, what's the rush? As long as I have a driveable car to fall back on, I'd rather wait to get exactly what I want than pick something off the lot and spend years wishing I'd been able to get that one neat color or option. I have bought three new cars in my life and each time, I took several weeks after the test drive to think long and hard about what I wanted, then ordered the car, then waited weeks or months for it to arrive.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 20:34

davebo: Nov 15, 2006; Parallel lines do meet, but they do it incognito; College Slice

Zorak of Michigan posted:

Intellectually I know this but I cannot wrap my head around it. OK, maybe if your car just got totaled in a wreck and it's buy now or pay rental prices for weeks, but otherwise, what's the rush? As long as I have a driveable car to fall back on, I'd rather wait to get exactly what I want than pick something off the lot and spend years wishing I'd been able to get that one neat color or option. I have bought three new cars in my life and each time, I took several weeks after the test drive to think long and hard about what I wanted, then ordered the car, then waited weeks or months for it to arrive.

Is it because you're more likely to get a good price on something already sitting on a dealer's lot, or that 90+% of people don't actually care about cars or colors because they aren't able to derive any amount of joy from driving their car, or only care about owning a luxury brand to show people they own one?

Don't ask me man, when I buy new I pick out exactly the car with the color and options I want then as long as the dealer offers what I was willing to pay for it I buy it. Getting not-perfect color/options in favor of a good deal on a car I couldn't otherwise afford is how I ended up with a silver automatic Corvette from ebay.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 22:02

Guinness: Sep 15, 2004

Yeah, I think most people just really don't care that much. That, and dealers prey on the instant gratification of driving away in your new car right now!

Us AI types that know exactly what we want, no more and no less, and are willing to wait for it are definitely in the minority.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 22:07

ilkhan: Oct 7, 2004; I LOVE Musk and his pro-first-amendment ways. X is the future.

Guinness posted:

Us AI types that know exactly what we want, no more and no less, and are willing to wait for it are definitely in the minority.

Its exactly this. My Mustang was ordered, because I wanted exactly what I wanted. My next vehicles (tesla 3 and/or F150) will be the same way. But we're definitely a very small subset of the population.

# ? Nov 19, 2016 03:35

kimbo305: Jun 9, 2007; actually, yeah, I am a little mad

The 2017 991 Carrera S beat the pre-refresh 991 Turbo and GT3 around Willow Springs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbtoXMOiqtQ&t=775s

# ? Nov 27, 2016 08:34

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

Psst.

Hey Porsche.

Now imagine what you could do if you'd put the same engine, tires and electronics into the Cayman.

# ? Nov 27, 2016 10:07

Rigged Death Trap: Feb 13, 2012; BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Sagebrush posted:

Psst.

Hey Porsche.

Now imagine what you could do if you'd put the same engine, tires and electronics into the Cayman.

But but but
Ze In haus competition

iirc they admitted themselves that a 911 engined cayman would absolutely crush the 911.

# ? Nov 27, 2016 10:29

MrChips: Jun 10, 2005; FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

Sagebrush posted:

Psst.

Hey Porsche.

Now imagine what you could do if you'd put the same engine, tires and electronics into the Cayman.

So a Cayman GT4 then?

# ? Nov 27, 2016 22:55

Ultimate Mango: Jan 18, 2005

Rigged Death Trap posted:

But but but
Ze In haus competition

iirc they admitted themselves that a 911 engined cayman would absolutely crush the 911.

How many years before someone does this swap?

In more boring car news, has anyone seen information on the Honda Odyssey refresh?

# ? Nov 28, 2016 06:20

BloodBag: Sep 20, 2008; WITNESS ME!

Rigged Death Trap posted:

But but but
Ze In haus competition

iirc they admitted themselves that a 911 engined cayman would absolutely crush the 911.

Same poo poo Mazda has consistently done: piss money away on rotary bullshit while their true best car is the Miata, which gets partsbin leftovers.

# ? Nov 28, 2016 17:26

Rigged Death Trap: Feb 13, 2012; BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Actually its because the people who are able to buy 911s wont buy caymans and you cant sell caymans for 911 money.

I mean gently caress you cant even sell cayennes for 911 money.

# ? Nov 28, 2016 18:39

drgitlin: Jul 25, 2003; luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.

Ultimate Mango posted:

How many years before someone does this swap?

In the 718? Never. The redesign means there isn't the room for a flat-six behind the seats.

# ? Nov 29, 2016 01:17

kimbo305: Jun 9, 2007; actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Nice, another couple hams coming from the 911 dept this Christmas.

# ? Nov 29, 2016 01:21

iwentdoodie: Apr 29, 2005; 🤗YOU'RE WELCOME🤗

drgitlin posted:

In the 718? Never. The redesign means there isn't the room for a flat-six behind the seats.

Oh ye of little faith.

# ? Nov 29, 2016 02:01

drgitlin: Jul 25, 2003; luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.

iwentdoodie posted:

Oh ye of little faith.

I'm just repeating what the head powertrain engineer told me at the media launch!

# ? Nov 29, 2016 02:03

iwentdoodie: Apr 29, 2005; 🤗YOU'RE WELCOME🤗

drgitlin posted:

I'm just repeating what the head powertrain engineer told me at the media launch!

Speed shops and insane people can fit anything anywhere.

An LS Cayman will appear before July.

# ? Nov 29, 2016 02:05

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

Toyota Considers Welcoming Fun Back into Its Fleet With New Performance Division

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Toyota is pondering using its Gazoo Racing unit as a performance brand for future road cars, not unlike BMW�s M Division and Mercedes-AMG.

The timing couldn�t be better, as it was really starting to seem like Toyota was intentionally trying to make itself the least-exciting brand in the world. The Supra vanished in North America by 1998, the MR2 followed suit after 2005, the underwhelming seventh generation Celica came and went with no replacement, and Toyota Racing Development seemed unhealthily fixated on the off-roading capabilities of the Tacoma.

Thankfully, it looks like the company is finally coming to its senses.

Gazoo motorsport oversees Toyota�s World Endurance Championship program, World Rally Championship team, and Dakar Rally group. The company also has gotten involved with consumer products by way of the limited-production Gazoo Racing Masters of N�rburgring (GRMN) version of the GT86. The company is also responsible for the Toyota G�s lineup of semi-sportified passenger vehicles.

Speaking to Autocar, Gazoo Racing chief Koei Saga said he intends to expand into road cars, drawing a link between that side of the Toyota business and its racing activities.

�In Europe, the challenge is bigger because we have more competitors here, and it is also an issue of cost,� he said. �However, I am very much working on that so we can have a brand like the [BMW] M brand.�

Saga wouldn�t commit to questions about the upcoming Supra or Z5, suspicions on the company�s involvement remain. While the G�s vehicles tend to be modest, image-enhanced cars, GRMN limited editions included a lightened Mark X sedan, turbocharged 150 horsepower Vitz/Yaris, and the aforementioned track-enhanced GT86 coupe.

The rumor-mil has it that the first Gazoo model produced in any number, would be a spiced-up subcompact. Toyota�s top brass have hinted at a performance Yaris and Gazoo already has a World Rally Championship version in the works. Knowing what we know about the WRX, it would be silly not to see a turbocharged Yaris on sale someday � especially if the WRC car does well.

"Gazoo" is a good word.

# ? Nov 29, 2016 03:44

Seat Safety Switch: May 27, 2008; MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.; Pillbug

Wistful of Dollars posted:

Toyota Considers Welcoming Fun Back into Its Fleet With New Performance Division

"Gazoo" is a good word.

It was cool to visit the Toyota Megaweb showcase in Tokyo/Odaiba because it had a ton of the Gazoo concept cars and retired race cars. Lots of cool stuff going on there including a nutter boosted Yaris that I would love to own.

Plus it had an awesome vintage museum.

# ? Nov 29, 2016 04:03

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

I cant wait for nothing but visual packages and rimz

# ? Nov 29, 2016 04:08

Seat Safety Switch: May 27, 2008; MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.; Pillbug

Powershift posted:

I cant wait for nothing but visual packages and rimz

One of the visual packages they offered at Megaweb was a full line of louvers for the FRS/BRZ and Yaris.

# ? Nov 29, 2016 04:12

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

Seat Safety Switch posted:

One of the visual packages they offered at Megaweb was a full line of louvers for the FRS/BRZ and Yaris.

You have my attention.

# ? Nov 29, 2016 04:48

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# ? May 20, 2024 15:28

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Powershift posted:

I cant wait for nothing but visual packages and rimz

I cant wait for the final lap engine failure.

# ? Nov 29, 2016 05:11

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