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http://blogs.cfr.org/zenko/2016/11/10/us-airstrikes-in-iraq-and-syria-versus-drone-strikes-in-pakistan-yemen-and-somalia/ Interesting stats, but the thing that struck me was that the US has killed 45,000 people in 12,000 drone strikes in just a 2 year period in Iraq and Syria alone. That's way more than I ever imagined, jesus.
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12000 air strikes, not drone strikes.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:12000 air strikes, not drone strikes.
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Grouchio posted:I don't think we have that many drones. You get to keep the drone after a drone strike.
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Bip Roberts posted:You get to keep the drone after a drone strike.
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Collateral Damage posted:When you think about it a drone is just a reusable cruise missile. That makes no sense. It's an unmanned recon or strike aircraft. It's nothing like a cruise missile. I mean, except that people don't pilot cruise missiles. Hey does anyone know where I can find a dataset of all the casualties caused by the USA in the last thirty years?
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Trump's pick for National Security Adviser is Michael Flynn. Interview with Washington Post Interview with Der Spiegel Testimony to House on Iran nuclear deal (PDF, pro click) We're going to work with Russia & Assad against ISIS. He also advocates leaning on Russia to lean on Iran.
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TildeATH posted:Hey does anyone know where I can find a dataset of all the casualties caused by the USA in the last thirty years? That list doesn't exist and never will. You'll have to settle for adding up a number of estimates yourself.
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Svartvit posted:That list doesn't exist and never will. You'll have to settle for adding up a number of estimates yourself. So basically we do the same thing with our wars that we do with police brutality?
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Schizotek posted:I didn't say the ICC is a bad thing, but its been made pretty clear over the years that it wasn't made to prosecute white people so racial bias is definitely present in the way it operates. You're just being stupid.
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Schizotek posted:I didn't say the ICC is a bad thing, but its been made pretty clear over the years that it wasn't made to prosecute white people so racial bias is definitely present in the way it operates. List of people indicted in the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia
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Gobbeldygook posted:Trump's pick for National Security Adviser is Michael Flynn. You realize he's debating between Rudy Giuliani and John Bolton for secretary of state, right? Don't try and draw too many conclusions based on a person he appoints to something here and there. A lot of them have contradictory opinions, so all there really is to say at this point is that Trump is going to have a pretty diverse cabinet of every shade of right wing you can think of in it. Volkerball fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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Volkerball posted:You realize he's debating between Rudy Giuliani and John Bolton for secretary of state, right? Don't try and draw too many conclusions based on a person he appoints to something here and there. A lot of them have contradictory opinions, so all there really is to say at this point is that Trump is going to have a pretty diverse cabinet of every shade of right wing you can think of in it. Flynn's been his top foreign policy guy throughout the campaign, so there's not much reason to dismiss the likelihood that he's going to be a person with real influence as national security adviser if Trump doesn't care about the obvious conflict of interest issues that have become apparent. Animosity for Iran (including suggestions that regime change should be our policy) does seem to be pretty consistent among everyone he's looking at too, so we do have some idea of what policies his administration might push. Of course Trump may disregard that advice, as Obama did with Syria, but right now it looks like people who supported him in the hope that we'd avoid further entanglements in the Middle East will probably be disappointed.
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Yeah, a National Security Advisor can be an extremely powerful position especially when they have a president's ear. We will see who the SoS is but I could see Flynn having a lot of influence on foreign policy at this point. As far as Iran, it is an interesting issue since there is a de-facto Iran-Chinese-Russian alliance at this point and neither China or Russia is willing to give up on Iran unless they get something really juicy. That said, I could see a possible scenario of US foreign policy being incoherent on a scale it has never been before. How do you pick on China or Iran without Russia being involved or vice-verse?
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How do you suppose Trump would deal with the Middle East in order? 1. Dealing with Turkey 2. Working with the Kurds 3. Support Israel or Palestine? 4. Destroying ISIS 5. Working with Russia and Syria 6. Mention Bolton's Sunnistan idea 7. Supporting Egypt 8. Maintain Saudi relations? 9. BENGHAZI (Libya) 10. To nuke or not to nuke? 11. You want to fight Iran? What would Russia say? 12. You want to invade Iraq again? 13. Bannon vs Israel 14. How to deal with Yemen 15. What to do with Afghanistan? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Why don't you tell us what you think about all of those and then we'll talk about it?
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Grouchio posted:How do you suppose Trump would deal with the Middle East in order? Jfc what would he even nuke? Raqqah?
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rear end struggle posted:Jfc what would he even nuke?
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Grouchio posted:How do you suppose Trump would deal with the Middle East in order? 1. Pardon 2. Whey whey unlikely 3. Yes 4. What about IS, ISIL and ISG? 5. See 4 6. You're just reading the marginalia now 7. Granaries 8. No homo hand-holding 9. I've run out 10. No more funny things to say 11. What's that, they weren't funny to begin with? 12. Well, excuse me, at least I'm not the one doing my homework 13. On a dead gay comedy forum 14. Seriously, though the US is not going to change its Yemen position 15. No just kidding, Die Yemen Die
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Because his answers to the weekly discussion questions have to be submitted to Blackboard in 20 minutes.
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suboptimal posted:Because his answers to the weekly discussion questions have to be submitted to Blackboard in 20 minutes.
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Grouchio posted:This is an outline. You use blackboard too? lol stop asking this thread to do your homework
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kustomkarkommando posted:Yeah the American Service-Members' Protection Act, passed with bipartisan support, authorized the US government to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court."" Also the U.S. tried to pressure every nation on Earth into explicitly exempting Americans from ICC jurisdiction, burning a lot of diplomatic goodwill out of imagined concern over a country not cooperating with us and of course our Special Forces failing to defeat the Dutch. They got 102 countries to do it.
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In news, the bomb https://twitter.com/Afarin_Mamosta/status/799673061796524032 quote:SDF/YPG have captured an ISIS SVBIED & are defusing it, north of #Raqqa as part of the operation to liberate #Raqqa from ISIS terrorists. Advances are still happening: https://twitter.com/raqqa1campaign/status/799653464959811584 quote:#Breaking   Tholoth Khnez/Tel Alsmen (Thulth Khunayz/Tall Al-Samen on the map) are about a third of the way to Raqqa from the old front-line. Mozi posted:Why don't you tell us what you think about all of those and then we'll talk about it? Insert bad joke about Syria here. Saladin Rising fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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Assad bombed the cats. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cat-sanctuary-aleppo-syria-bombed_us_582c8c1ae4b099512f802121
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Saladin Rising posted:In news, the bomb diffusing guys continue to have the worst jobs ever: Defuse The bomb diffusing guys are the guys driving the SVBIEDs.
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TildeATH posted:Defuse Imagine I posted the GIF of that Syrian guy hitting an unexploded artillery shell with a pipe.
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Every hospital in east Aleppo has been knocked out of action.
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TildeATH posted:Defuse I found an updated North Raqqa map, it's oriented south-to-north so that Raqqa is at the top of the map:  Apparently Tel Alsmen/Til Sim'an was a bit of an ISIL hub; photos and videos coming out of it: https://twitter.com/DefenseUnits/status/799719336017620992 quote:Terror flags downed, Syrian Democratic Forces #SDF in newly-liberated Til Sim'an district north of #Raqqa, #Syria: https://twitter.com/AFPphoto/status/799548040394797058 quote:SYRIA - Fighters from Kurdish-Arab alliance hold a position in Tall as Samn near front line north of IS group bastion. By Other notes, Kurdish twitter definitely seems to be upping the propaganda game even further: https://twitter.com/AhmedoKurdi/status/799696524938645504 quote:American veteran volunteer Joe Pollard from #Alabama: "I believe in a free Kurdistan and a freedom from the oppression from Daesh". https://twitter.com/AhmedoKurdi/status/799711393067008000 quote:Another American veteran Jason Smith from #Oregon sold his things and gave up his engineering job to fight for Kurdistan. https://twitter.com/DefenseUnits/status/799589437848125440 quote:Sema Reqqa, a brave young woman from #Raqqa fights along her comrades to liberate their city from #Daesh/#ISIS terrorists. #Syria #SDF
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Grouchio what the gently caress do you go to school for. I need to know so I can avoid anything you touch in the future because you most likely fobbed your work out to some forum.
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:Assad bombed the cats. Henceforth, the United States is against the Assad regime and will begin bombing shortly.
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chitoryu12 posted:Henceforth, the United States is against the Assad regime and will begin bombing shortly. If you thought jihadists were crazy, wait until you see the Pet Island militia.
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I'm sure the PKK will take the job of "avenging" very seriously especially when it comes to Arab civilians.
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Saudis announced a unilateral ceasefire in Yemen: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38036254
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Telsa Cola posted:Grouchio what the gently caress do you go to school for. I need to know so I can avoid anything you touch in the future because you most likely fobbed your work out to some forum. He's writing his application for a State Department position. The outline already has him guaranteed an assistant secretary job, if he can come up with some answers, he'll be promoted.
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Saladin Rising posted:The YPJ stuff is standard, what's interesting is that they've been emphasizing the foreign volunteers little heavier recently. It's likely a way to solidify the "we're just like you" idea; can't get much better at that than "hey lookie here, we've got (white) Americans working and fighting with us". Might be a message for Trump, too. "Hey, White Christian Americans are on our side, so don't abandon us." chitoryu12 posted:Henceforth, the United States is against the Assad regime and will begin bombing shortly. Animals are innocent in a way no human can be. You'll always find someone claiming that the people in a school, hospital, or bakery were actually terrorists; but cats and dogs cannot be suspected of having nihilistic political ideology. So it's a lot harder for Assad's media brigade to spin this as somehow a righteous victory against terrorists. TildeATH posted:He's writing his application for a State Department position. Honestly, couldn't be worse than anyone that Trump is likely to appoint. The SADADMETOD Gestalt advisor is probably better informed than anyone Trump would listen to. Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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rear end struggle posted:I'm sure the PKK will take the job of "avenging" very seriously especially when it comes to Arab civilians. Oh you need to try harder than that to get people angry enough at your wrongness to engage you.
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FAUXTON posted:Oh you need to try harder than that to get people angry enough at your wrongness to engage you. It's really great that people who care so much about Turkey's treatment of Kurds don't seem to mind when the PKK enacts the same campaign on the other side of the border.
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rear end struggle posted:It's really great that people who care so much about Turkey's treatment of Kurds don't seem to mind when the PKK enacts the same campaign on the other side of the border. Huh?
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