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Progressives are liberals who don't even know they're socialists yet.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 10:36 |
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# ? May 27, 2024 03:27 |
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someone post the jabberwocky
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 10:46 |
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ctrl-f marx and prepare to have your mind blown
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 12:36 |
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I think this link has been posted before, but this whole article is too beautiful to not post in its entirety: http://time.com/4569766/bernie-sanders-ralph-nader-2016/A Corncob posted:Sanders distracted Hillary Clinton from creating a unified vision for the future Guys the real problem was that Clinton wasn't able to take enough of her constituency for granted to focus on a centrist message. If it wasn't for Sanders addressing the displaced and disempowered and distracting Hillary, Third Way-ism would have had this in the bag. Bonus points for casting Bill apologizing as a bad thing, and for somehow pinning the blame on anybody but Wall Street for deindustrialization even though it was the banker class that refused to cut into their profits by paying American workers more and who made records profits by offshoring.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 13:00 |
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The knee-jerk defense of the crime bill is the best. Reactionary politics are good if they're popular, who cares how self-destructive they always are?
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 13:10 |
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Happy to see that my congressman is on the list of endorsements for Ellison. It's a nice thought at least that calling his office might have made a small difference.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 13:24 |
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Not a Step posted:I think this link has been posted before, but this whole article is too beautiful to not post in its entirety: http://time.com/4569766/bernie-sanders-ralph-nader-2016/ the only good thing from that article is referring to clinton as a donut candidate, I hadn't thought of her as such but the author sure goes to length to explain it, and it's staring at them right in the face and they still are perplexed that Clinton lost, so it's just the same old scapegoat shtick to deflect any internal criticism. im not exactly seeing any admission to owning up that she was overall pretty weak and couldn't tout her campaign without a bevvy of celebrities and surrogates (that did a whole lotta good~), which means...it won't be learned from unless there is reform within the party but this thing's going to go back and forth, it's the same sham that propped up this empty vessel and expected a stroll into the white house. If they weren't playing chicken in Michigan of all places, surely that had something to do with Bernie too.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 13:43 |
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A close loss is the worst thing that could've happened since it just means everyone is going blame whatever pissed them off most about the whole thing.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 14:09 |
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Did some diggin around http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/entry/nurses-criticize-democratic-platform-committee-vote-opposing-med-for-all/ Found this a pretty relevant indicator on how divided the DNC is with its progressive and centrist wings and Keith seems to be in the middle of it, bout 5 months old. Still relevant and a likely glimpse moving forward.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 14:10 |
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Doorknob Slobber posted:protest outside their homes inconvience the rich nothing gets america to pay attention quite like rich people being inconvinenced (this uh isnt irony)
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 14:15 |
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Not a Step posted:I think this link has been posted before, but this whole article is too beautiful to not post in its entirety: http://time.com/4569766/bernie-sanders-ralph-nader-2016/ lol, it's almost like running the perfect example of washington insider who didn't promise any sort of change was doomed to failure.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 14:20 |
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etalian posted:lol, it's almost like running the perfect example of washington insider who didn't promise any sort of change was doomed to failure. she promised a lot of change, but yknow emails perhaps there was a better choice than "woman seen by most of the country as a literal witch" to represent that change though
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 14:22 |
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Yinlock posted:she promised a lot of change, but yknow emails change is bad because America is good
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 14:23 |
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jackofarcades posted:A close loss is the worst thing that could've happened since it just means everyone is going blame whatever pissed them off most about the whole thing. Ok, but Hillary losing at *all*, even by one vote, is one of the largest upsets in modern political history. Yeah I know 'popular vote' and all, but Hillary was projected to sweep the nation in an FDR-esque blow out. She had dreams of Blue Arizona and Blue Georgia for fucks sake. Instead she got crushed in a way no one expected to one of the least qualified, least liked candidates in history. Calling what happened a 'close loss' is as much sticking your head in the sand as the refusal to acknowledge the working class is, or at least should be, a core Democratic constituency. E: And I feel the need to point this out, but the working class should be *a* core constituency, not *the* core constituency. Representing the working class does *not* mean throwing minorities under the bus, we can care about more than one thing. And they aren't even contradictory things, like the Republican Party has to deal with in wanting both small government and constant surveillance of every muslim/immigrant/gay/vagina in America. Nix Panicus has issued a correction as of 14:33 on Nov 19, 2016 |
# ? Nov 19, 2016 14:29 |
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(there are a disproportionate number of minorities in the working class, y'all. Hell, I'm a shitkicking hillbilly from a part of Appalachia that uses placenames like "lonesome valley," "widder's holler," "haint's coffin," and "gently caress your warrant" and even I coulda told you that) Gene Hackman Fan has issued a correction as of 15:50 on Nov 19, 2016 |
# ? Nov 19, 2016 15:40 |
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Not a Step posted:Ok, but Hillary losing at *all*, even by one vote, is one of the largest upsets in modern political history. Yeah I know 'popular vote' and all, but Hillary was projected to sweep the nation in an FDR-esque blow out. She had dreams of Blue Arizona and Blue Georgia for fucks sake. Instead she got crushed in a way no one expected to one of the least qualified, least liked candidates in history. I was coming around to this argument, but you're the one making it, so I'm not sure it's actually a smart plan anymore.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 15:50 |
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My post on dws was a joke you doofuses
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 15:54 |
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Yinlock posted:she promised a lot of change, but yknow emails Yeah but everybody knew there wouldn't have been any change. The moment she got into office she'd support the TPP again, she'd slash Medicare and Social Security--the latter of which she had expressed support for privatizing in the past. Foreign policy? Same as Obama/Bush/Bill/Bush Sr/Reagan... Domestic security, well we're all freaking out about Obama handing over the surveillance state he helped to create to Donald Trump but I think we should fear it under any president. So, we had that to look forward to. All the while maintaining an iron grip on the party while Republicans would've continued destroying democrats in midterms and dismantling state governments one by one. I saw that, and I voted for her anyway, because of the Supreme Court, because getting more democrats on the court would help to overturn gerrymandering and free all the states oppressed by it. Maybe. Maybe not though... She might've done nothing about it. It was the only chance I saw though. But not everyone saw the nuance. Some progressives didn't turn out, which shouldn't surprise anyone.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 16:00 |
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jackofarcades posted:I was coming around to this argument, but you're the one making it, so I'm not sure it's actually a smart plan anymore. Even Bill Kristol is right every now and then.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 16:01 |
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:There are a disproportionate number of minorities in the working class, y'all. I have to remind people of this so often that it's starting to feel like some COINTELPRO poo poo. 'Fighting inequality is racist because what about minorities?'
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 16:02 |
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Accretionist posted:I have to remind people of this so often that it's starting to feel like some COINTELPRO poo poo. 'Fighting inequality is racist because what about minorities?' Its because A: People are real dumb and B: We've been taught to focus on race, gender and sexuality as the primary identity groups for so long that anything else, like class, is seen as a diversion from those groups. Woke idiots literally think helping the working class is code for handouts for white racists, in pretty much exactly the same way racist bigots think welfare means handouts for black welfare queens. We've been pretty effective at destroying our ability to organize around commonalities like class through constantly suspecting that somehow someone else *not like us* is getting ahead at out expense.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 16:12 |
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theflyingexecutive posted:Statement: "Hillary supported censoring video games"
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 16:19 |
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Accretionist posted:I have to remind people of this so often that it's starting to feel like some COINTELPRO poo poo. 'Fighting inequality is racist because what about minorities?' Somehow, carving out my own enclave in these hills and instituting cornbread communism seems a little more realistic than taking over the Democratic party. Bah, I gotta send those emails to the party chair.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 16:26 |
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Bernie Sanders issues the call to take to the streets https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/800002134133641216
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 16:48 |
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:(there are a disproportionate number of minorities in the working class, y'all. But I as a liberal know that you are a racist troglodyte who wants to lynch blacks and burn gays. ( I don't actually believe that just making fun of the thought of regulars in uspol.) Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 16:55 on Nov 19, 2016 |
# ? Nov 19, 2016 16:49 |
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Here's one major takeaway that I gotten the last few days: Wisconsin is /not/ lost for 2020 (or 2018). Trump barely beat Romney. The major failure in WI was not Milwaukee and Madison not turning out, but likely WI-3, or Ron Kind's district, which in 2012 was blue as all hell, and this year was red. Though part of me wonders if the Republicans actually ran a challenger to Kind if that would increase democrat turnout to keep Kind in and actually have a GOTV effort to preserve the seat.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 16:50 |
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theflyingexecutive posted:thx for the upgrade, love me some drat frostys sir, this is a literal garbage dump
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 16:51 |
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Yinlock posted:sir, this is a literal garbage dump You can tell by the Hillary Clinton Memorial Tire Fire, which has been burning for some thirty years now but we keep adding tires to it. We should probably stop doing that at some point, but its tradition by now I guess.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 17:16 |
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Venom Snake posted:Bernie Sanders issues the call to take to the streets you heard it here folks, go out in the streets and redistribute that income yourself!
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 17:20 |
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https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/800011417004871685
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 17:24 |
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Neoliberals are the enemies.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 17:27 |
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Yinlock posted:she promised a lot of change, but yknow emails
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 17:41 |
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She did adopt Bernie's platform, she just didn't campaign on it, ever, so obviously it's the American people's fault for not knowing that and assuming she didn't give a poo poo about anything other than her own prestige -- a depressingly large number of people
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 17:46 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Neoliberals are the enemies. Sure, but I'd rather not continue to give government money to private companies and letting them install more toll roads to "balance our budget", which really just means squeezing more money from the poor. Grey Fox posted:The candidate running on "America Is Already Great" is the change candidate, got it. America is great because America is good And America is good, as evidenced by our massive income inequality, deplorable detention centers for refugees from war torn countries, giant military that could destroy the world a hundred times over, legacy of slavery, bounty of homegrown terrorist organizations, and police force that is equipped better than some countrys' military. But I do suppose we helped defeat the Nazis once so we get a pass on a lot of things. comingafteryouall has issued a correction as of 17:53 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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loquacius posted:She did adopt Bernie's platform Well, kinda
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 17:51 |
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comingafteryouall posted:But I do suppose we helped defeat the Nazis once so we get a pass on a lot of things.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 17:54 |
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comingafteryouall posted:Sure, but I'd rather not continue to give government money to private companies and letting them install more toll roads to "balance our budget", which really just means squeezing more money from the poor. Nationalize all toll roads.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 18:06 |
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Make privatized infrastructure illegal on the federal level. Destroy Public/private partnerships and prosecute the sitting boards for corruption.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 18:14 |
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Powercrazy posted:Make privatized infrastructure illegal on the federal level. Destroy Public/private partnerships and prosecute the sitting boards for corruption. Send them to reeducation centers in the aleutians.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 18:18 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Send them to reeducation centers in the aleutians. Privatised reeducation centers to keep costs down.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 18:21 |