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LORD OF BOOTY posted:White nerdy people love DBZ, but most non-nerdy honkies either look upon it with disdain or don't know what it is at all. At the risk of making this thread into a anime argument, This might be because a lot of people who don't watch anime think it's just creepy animated porn. BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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Unless you are old as hell when it first started getting popular any male kid probably hosed with DBZ at some point in time.
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Nov 19, 2016 23:00
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I think it just has to do with access to cable tv in the late 90's-early 2000's and the show's soap-style structure, but with fighting. It's somthing that came on every day after school and you had to watch it to be up on things. Like I remember someone in middle school printed out a fake picture of a black goku and said it was a the leaked newest super sayin form and we thought it was so cool. Then again we also played Pokemon and Yugio at lunch so take that with a grain of salt.  E: BigRed0427 posted:At the risk of making this thread into a anime argument 
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Nov 19, 2016 23:27
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Thing is you didn't have to catch EVERY episode of DBZ because of how filler-heavy it was. You could miss episodes and catch up easy even though it was an age before cheap DVRs and certainly before streaming. also it's just really great and Piccolo and Vegeta are the goddamn best.
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So what's people opinion here on populism? Considering the United States history with it, I am super skeptical about it because usually it ends up being racist as gently caress. But is there a way to reconcile a populist message with identity politics?
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blackguy32 posted:So what's people opinion here on populism? Considering the United States history with it, I am super skeptical about it because usually it ends up being racist as gently caress. But is there a way to reconcile a populist message with identity politics? An alarming number of people in USPOL are happily jumping on the "gently caress immigrants, deport illegals for daring to undercut white dude wages, gently caress the global poor we have our own poor" train. One person unironically said he wants to get rid of loving birthright citizenship (you know that thing they made to protect black people from legal discrimination against their kids?) and nobody was like what the gently caress. With how quick leftists are to adopt literal Republican talking points against Mexican immigrants I don't even want to know how fast they'd drop BLM. The problem isn't populism, the problem is that white liberals/leftists are morons. (The fact that "globalization is a neoliberal conspiracy" is a credible talking point is also alarming for different reasons)
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blackguy32 posted:So what's people opinion here on populism? Considering the United States history with it, I am super skeptical about it because usually it ends up being racist as gently caress. But is there a way to reconcile a populist message with identity politics? I mean it doesn't have to be if the goal is to end the exploitation of marginalized people so that we all do better. The problem is that true populism is about punching up but it's easier to blame people with no power for our societies problems, at least that's my perspective. don't get me wrong, If we have laws that benefited all people, not just the rich, there would still be racists sure but maybe fewer of them. Lightning Knight posted:An alarming number of people in USPOL are happily jumping on the "gently caress immigrants, deport illegals for daring to undercut white dude wages, gently caress the global poor we have our own poor" train. One person unironically said he wants to get rid of loving birthright citizenship (you know that thing they made to protect black people from legal discrimination against their kids?) and nobody was like what the gently caress. I don't think that's as big a problem as you think dude. The left has done more as an ally to BLM then anything neolibs have done, but I guess loving Hamelton and Beyonce is what's important.
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OmanyteJackson posted:I don't think that's as big a problem as you think dude. The left has done more as an ally to BLM then anything neolibs have done, but I guess loving Hamelton and Beyonce is what's important. I would argue that there aren't really enough proper leftists in this country to make a difference. I'm more speaking to forum culture. A LOT of people are quick to shout down any mention of racism as an integral part of this election, and seem blind to how easy it is for white dude progressives to just ignore issues of minorities. This isn't about the Democrats being good, it's about progressives overestimating our own competence and capacity for empathy. The simple notion of "maybe we should shut up and let minorities lead the progressive movement" was met with outright hostility by much of USPOL.
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The problem is that white people, due to lack of personal experience with it, just can't conceive of how pervasive racism is in this country (particularly institutional racism). It just seems far too outlandish and hard to believe in for them, so their instinctive knee-jerk reaction is along the lines of "you're overracting, it isn't that bad", or "you're just making that up for attention". Since nothing as bad as that has ever happened to them, it obviously can't be happening to anyone else, and anyone making noises about it is just being a whiny attention seeker. And it's really depressing how widespread that attitude is amongst otherwise very progressive liberals.
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botany posted:Is there a reason for that? It used to come on right before kids had to get out the door to go to school in grade school.
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Lightning Knight posted:I would argue that there aren't really enough proper leftists in this country to make a difference. I'm more speaking to forum culture. A LOT of people are quick to shout down any mention of racism as an integral part of this election, and seem blind to how easy it is for white dude progressives to just ignore issues of minorities. Racism is hard coded into this country, it's always been here and it always will. Obama won despite racism. if your big takeaway from this election is "huh, we've got a lot of racism around here." maybe stop posting. Cause here's the thing "white dude issues" are poc and women issues too.
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HotCanadianChick posted:The problem is that white people, due to lack of personal experience with it, just can't conceive of how pervasive racism is in this country (particularly institutional racism). It just seems far too outlandish and hard to believe in for them, so their instinctive knee-jerk reaction is along the lines of "you're overracting, it isn't that bad", or "you're just making that up for attention". Since nothing as bad as that has ever happened to them, it obviously can't be happening to anyone else, and anyone making noises about it is just being a whiny attention seeker. I've seen this in just about every discussion of Trump: inevitably, some white contributor will spew the usual "blacks/latinos/LGBT people need to earn recognition, not demand it", "Trump will end idenity politics", "I don't feel privileged like you whiners", or something equally idiotic. There is zero comprehension of the idea that white skin automatically gives people extra opportunities or that any minority could possibly have any kind of stake in the country. Every accusation of racism, even with blatant evidence, is dismissed because they interpret it as a personal attack. The idea that it could be an unconscious part of society that they personally benefit from means nothing. The only real racists to most Americans are those using the most blatant symbols or daring to hurt the feelings of white men by suggesting anything might be wrong. It's not like the media is in any hurry to correct them on this regard: we can barely get the latest cop murder on the news for a few days and even the most vile racist opinions are treated as "controversial". Their treatment of protests of these acts usually amounts to little more than hand wringing about how "divided" the nation is and equates protest with anarchy. Frankly, it's a wonder we didn't get a Trump sooner.
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OmanyteJackson posted:Racism is hard coded into this country, it's always been here and it always will. Obama won despite racism. if your big takeaway from this election is "huh, we've got a lot of racism around here." maybe stop posting. This is definitely not the thread to take this stance in the "was racism an important part of the last election?" debate.
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OmanyteJackson posted:Racism is hard coded into this country, it's always been here and it always will. Obama won despite racism. if your big takeaway from this election is "huh, we've got a lot of racism around here." maybe stop posting. You are a dumb, dumb motherfucker.
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Geostomp posted:Frankly, it's a wonder we didn't get a Trump sooner. We did. Andrew Jackson.
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blackguy32 posted:So what's people opinion here on populism? Considering the United States history with it, I am super skeptical about it because usually it ends up being racist as gently caress. But is there a way to reconcile a populist message with identity politics? Huey Long was pretty okay, I guess, as populists go. He seemed like he actually cared about poor black people along with white people.
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There are a lot of conspiracy theories that get accepted quickly among black people, but when "black men were given syphilis without their knowledge", and "when black people made an economical successful neighborhood it got burnt down by white people who also massacred them" are documented historical fact, it's easy to understand why. E: Or "the FBI tried to make MLK Jr. so despondent he would commit suicide" for that matter. foobardog fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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negromancer posted:We did. Andrew Jackson. I was gonna say Reagan. vOv
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negromancer posted:We did. Andrew Jackson. Imo Reagan is the closest analogue historically. Blatantly bullshit famous celebrity widely disliked initially by his own party, who ran on straight horseshit and racism to draw the white working class away from their labor unions towards reactionary politics due to anti-desegregation. "Make America Great Again" was actually a Reagan slogan as well. The right compares Trump to Reagan and they're dead on, they just think it's a flattering comparison.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:all you need right here Scott Mosier of "Clerks" fame had a hand in this. 
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Martian Manfucker posted:Huey Long was pretty okay, I guess, as populists go. He seemed like he actually cared about poor black people along with white people. Not gonna lie, I'm hoping Donald Trump
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i say swears online fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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Aliquid posted:my nigerian middle-class friends are really something else Hey maybe don't post easy-to-find facebook information here! It's creepy!
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negromancer posted:Black dudes love DBZ. You can talk to the hardest dude in the street and he will have an opinion on DBZ. I honestly don't know more than 2 black dudes that haven't watched it. If Goku had an afro, how big would it be?
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CrazyLittle posted:If Goku had an afro, how big would it be? Bigger than a spirit bomb and actually useful.
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Rick_Hunter posted:Bigger than a spirit bomb and actually useful. Yeah, he only really killed like one villain with it. Majin Buu, I think.
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CrazyLittle posted:If Goku had an afro, how big would it be? Rick_Hunter posted:Bigger than a spirit bomb and actually useful. 
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teen witch posted:Hey maybe don't post easy-to-find facebook information here! It's creepy! Maybe don't quote it?
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negromancer posted:We did. Andrew Jackson. The only reason Trump wasn't elected sooner is that he wasn't bored with just being super rich yet. Just imagine him crashing the election 4 or 8 years ago and an even worse trainwreck to follow.
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evilmiera posted:The only reason Trump wasn't elected sooner is that he wasn't bored with just being super rich yet. Just imagine him crashing the election 4 or 8 years ago and an even worse trainwreck to follow. If the tea party hadn't had happened it would've been much harder for him to get elected. Trump is capitalizing on the broken civil discourse and distrust of government that already happened. That's a step wise progression.
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Hi, Negrotown. I was wondering if anyone had some data for the intersection of class and race in fatal police encounters. It appears from some affluent black people's self-reported experience that class doesn't insulate a POC from stop and frisk applications (especially when in unfamiliar locations or locations whose police employ the tactic), but I can't find any numbers (though I've heard some secondhand) on how that plays out in police killings. Perhaps that's because it's difficult to find reliable data. Apologies if this has been discussed already, I tried looking though the thread, but couldn't find anything.
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Anecdotal evidence works fine in the absence of hard data. I guess I'm just wondering if there's an income level where a POC doesn't feel subject to institutional racism (at all/as much as their poorer counterparts). What explains Alan Keyes or Ken Blackwell or Ben Carson? What explains the doubling of black turnout for Trump as compared to Romney? Are these older (maybe more affluent) people - types who agreed with Bill Cosby when he said young black men should pull their pants up? Or do these voters just see Trump as a cudgel against a system that never had their interests at heart? Or is it something else entirely?
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Dicere posted:Anecdotal evidence works fine in the absence of hard data. I guess I'm just wondering if there's an income level where a POC doesn't feel subject to institutional racism (at all/as much as their poorer counterparts). I can shed a little light on the black conservative judging from the basis of my father, and other exposition of the ideas. (Please note, these are NOT my opinions.) The basic idea seems to be that while there may be some racists near the Republican party, the Democrats are worse because they don't actually fix the problems in black America because they benefit from having the group paternalistically limited in their power. Agitators like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson only further these problems because they are they type of petty power holder that benefits from the black race being stuck in ghettoes. This is tied to a terrible "thug culture" in black communities that excuse violence and crime and sloth. It is the failure of black men for failing to be good fathers, and of black women for failing to keep their legs closed. If the kids just spent more time hitting the books instead of listening to hip hop and video games, they would see the benefit of school, educate themselves, and make it out. There are plenty of examples of successful black people (who aren't entertainers or athletes), after all, and more every year. The belief is that black people just raised their kids, went to school, had proper names, and respect for authority, they would be fine. Black skin or racism isn't the problem, black culture, too lost in the revolutionary mindset of the 70s and 90s is. The statement will often be that black people need to stop being "african american" or "black people" and just be "american" or "a person that is black". (Back to my opinions.) The general term for this is "respectability politics". The idea is that black people fail due to not accepting the rules and decorum of wider society, and are their own cause for failure. And it's never been a recent thing. The Cosby Show and many other pieces of black media heavily lean on it. I read a particularly good article about the Cosby Show in particular a few months ago. At its heart, this was the cultural problem that was being aimed at in say Chris Rock's "Black People vs. Niggers" bit. You can even argue it was behind the disagreement between Booker T. Washington and W. E. B. DuBois. There's some things to be said for it, but generally it blames victims rather than acknowledging the role of institutional racism. Its answer to the colonialist attitudes underlying white supremacy is to just suck it up and stop being black. But in general, the fact that there's an actual range of differing political opinions among black people is one of the reasons that white liberals' attempts to understand and engage black people in politics just falls flat. A large number of black people would just be Republicans if the Republicans could stop being so obviously racist for more than 5 minutes. e: In the same way that racists fail to understand that racism is not over because Barack Obama exists, you seem to be falling under the idea that for black people to carry water for racist ideas, they must be affluent or well-off. It is not at all that easy or straightforward. foobardog fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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Well, I guess the source of the question was some secondhand quoting of data I saw (that I cannot now recover) that more or less claims there's an income threshold where a POC was just as likely to be killed by a police stop as a white person. I think it was around $44,000/yr or something like that. I've tried to independently verify that, but I can't really get a hard numbers (likely because nobody keeps those stats). I agree white liberals (the ones running things) can and do make an oversimplification of the black vote as being a monolith. Compared to other minority votes, it still kind of is (though turnout varies). But I think we're all going to learn that isn't exactly so, and shouldn't be relied on without some buy-in and representation from the Dems. I'm sure there are plenty of poorer African-Americans who voted Trump because he was more genuine or because they listed to Alex Jones or whatever. Here's something from NYT attempting to explain it. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/many-in-milwaukee-neighborhood-didnt-vote-and-dont-regret-it.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0 EDIT: Thanks for the Cosby article, btw Dicere fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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Dicere posted:Hi, Negrotown. I was wondering if anyone had some data for the intersection of class and race in fatal police encounters. It appears from some affluent black people's self-reported experience that class doesn't insulate a POC from stop and frisk applications (especially when in unfamiliar locations or locations whose police employ the tactic), but I can't find any numbers (though I've heard some secondhand) on how that plays out in police killings. Perhaps that's because it's difficult to find reliable data. Apologies if this has been discussed already, I tried looking though the thread, but couldn't find anything. I have one that has a Bayesian analysis on race but not class: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141854 quote:The results provide evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans, in that the probability of being {black, unarmed, and shot by police} is about 3.49 times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police} on average. Furthermore, the results of multi-level modeling show that there exists significant heterogeneity across counties in the extent of racial bias in police shootings, with some counties showing relative risk ratios of 20 to 1 or more. Given that the data set is stratified by county you may be able to do additional modeling to reach conclusions about how income per county correlates.
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Automatic Slim posted:If the tea party hadn't had happened it would've been much harder for him to get elected. Trump is capitalizing on the broken civil discourse and distrust of government that already happened. That's a step wise progression. Sure, it would've been harder, but the breakdown was already there to some extent. The Tea Party poo poo just invigorated them.
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Just watched Suicide Squad. It wasn't that bad.
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negromancer posted:Just watched Suicide Squad. It's certainly not the worst supers film DC put out this year.
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Green Lantern is my vote for worst superhero movie ever. Hell, even Batman and Robin was entertaining in a campy train wreck kind of way.
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Superman IV is gonna hold onto the title of "Worst Supers Film" for a long long time.
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