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Progressive is what Democratic politicians started calling themselves when "liberal" started polling poorly.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:seriously you can talk a lot of poo poo about her campaign methods but pretending her main platform was actually 'TRUMP BAD' is just the opposite of truth. It was the truth if I go by 99.9% of Hillary ads I saw on television.
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Nov 19, 2016 21:15
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Oh Snapple! posted:It was the truth if I go by 99.9% of Hillary ads I saw on television. exactly. Platform doesn't mean poo poo if you never talk about it
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Nov 19, 2016 21:18
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Oh Snapple! posted:It was the truth if I go by 99.9% of Hillary ads I saw on television.
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Nov 19, 2016 21:22
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Who was it that said that Hillary made a conscious decision not to mention her platform out of fear of alienating her donors?
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Nov 19, 2016 21:27
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Hillary talked about policy, esp in like swing state small gatherings, but she didn't advertise on it.
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Nov 19, 2016 21:30
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My Linux Rig posted:I used to think it was the opposite: liberals were concerned about economic policies and progressive were like vegans and poo poo Liberals are concerned about economics, by privatizing everything.
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Nov 19, 2016 21:42
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Oh Snapple! posted:It was the truth if I go by 99.9% of Hillary ads I saw on television. It's funny how we still have people insisting Hillary was talking about her policy proposals, but they couldn't think to name a single one unprompted.
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Nov 19, 2016 21:48
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My Linux Rig posted:Jesus, that's lovely. Is it at least affordable? Yes it was cheap and very nice.
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Nov 19, 2016 21:49
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Not that I'm an expert or anything but it seems that at some point a bunch of people switched from describing themselves as 'liberal' to 'progressive' to put a line between them and the "Charter Schools, $500+/plate fundraisers, let the banks off, and gently caress unions" wing of the Dems.
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Nov 19, 2016 21:49
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Liberals in general have a massive ideological problem, and in the United States they're so invested into the label that it prevents a lot of critical self-reflection. It's a position defined contrary to its opposite, but if the opposite is also a pro-capitalist party then there ends up being a narcissism of small differences. Before this election there was always some smug jerk off talking about how neoliberalism is "whatever I don't like" and now they're silent as the grave. It took a catastrophic crisis to clearly define the separations.
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Nov 19, 2016 21:55
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mrmcd posted:Not that I'm an expert or anything but it seems that at some point a bunch of people switched from describing themselves as 'liberal' to 'progressive' to put a line between them and the "Charter Schools, $500+/plate fundraisers, let the banks off, and gently caress unions" wing of the Dems. Good.
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Nov 19, 2016 22:35
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jackofarcades posted:Hillary talked about policy, esp in like swing state small gatherings, but she didn't advertise on it. She made a point of talking about policy in the debates, too, but it was all ultimately in venues that only the people who were already kind of tuned in were likely to see. There was policy, and there was (some) outreach, but there was drat little combining of the two.
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Nov 19, 2016 23:19
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Powercrazy posted:Make privatized infrastructure illegal on the federal level. Destroy Public/private partnerships and prosecute the sitting boards for corruption. This is a drive-up federal cheeseburger redistribution center, Comrade.
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Nov 19, 2016 23:20
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docbeard posted:She made a point of talking about policy in the debates, too, but it was all ultimately in venues that only the people who were already kind of tuned in were likely to see. The policy was just to contrast herself and Trump and make her seem like the adult in the room. Notable presidents elected by this strategy were
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Brother Friendship posted:Le petit révolutionnaire Elephant Ambush posted:A perfect example of why ideological purity tests are stupid trash for babies. all of you are why facebook has to crack down on fake news
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Nov 19, 2016 23:28
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docbeard posted:She made a point of talking about policy in the debates, too, but it was all ultimately in venues that only the people who were already kind of tuned in were likely to see.
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Nov 19, 2016 23:33
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loquacius posted:The campaign's main strategy was ads and celebrity surrogates. Neither of those two things ever, ever talked about policy. Are you talking about her little-publicized, sparsely-scheduled, not-widely-attended rallies, or her fundraising events with big-money donors? Oh Snapple! posted:It was the truth if I go by 99.9% of Hillary ads I saw on television. neither of you even know what a political campaign is
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Nov 19, 2016 23:34
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Pardon me if the job retraining policy that nobody loving likes sounds a little hollow coming from a person who lost a gimme election because she didn't want to learn how to use a desktop computer or a loving iPhone.
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Nov 19, 2016 23:37
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Guy DeBorgore posted:neither of you even know what a political campaign is Spending 1 billion dollars on focus groups and campaign AI programs just to lose against a guy with no political experience?
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Guy DeBorgore posted:neither of you even know what a political campaign is MIND BLOWN *keanu reeves reaction gif*
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Central Texas Goons: It looks like the Travis/Williamson County-based parties are finally coming out of their post-election stupor. Some of them are waiting an excruciatingly long time, but at least something is being done now. Here's what's coming up in the area: WilCo Democrats: http://www.wilcodemocrats.org/news/1071/The-General-Election-is-over-What-to-do-now They're hosting their monthly meeting on Thursday, December 8th from 6:00-8:30PM in Round Rock. That's nearly 3 weeks from today. This may be the soonest opportunity to get our voices heard to the members and committee. They're also hosting a party on the 15th. WilCo Young Democrats: http://www.wilcodemocrats.org/calendar/9/48-Wilco%20Young%20Dems Their monthly meeting is on December 1st, off of 183 in north Austin. It's a full week sooner than the WilCo Dems, so a chance to get there. Travis County assorted parties: http://www.traviscountydemocrats.org/calendar/ This Calendar is actually, shockingly, useful. I'm not that surprised, since Austin is a blue city and pretty politically active. Black Austin Democrats just met, and there's meetings coming up in the next few weeks. The soonest meeting (aside from Black Austin Democrats, which was 2 days ago) is NxNW Democrats in 2 days, at Big Daddy's Burgers and Bar at 183 & Burnet. Unfortunately, still drat near impossible to find anything regarding Texas Democrats or Texas Young Democrats. I know both exist and are active to some extent, but I'll be hosed if I can find their meetings. So for the time being, it's important that if you want to make your voice heard you go to any of these upcoming meetings you can.
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Guy DeBorgore posted:neither of you even know what a political campaign is What were three major policy actions Hillary pushed that she was going to do, and which groups of people wanted them. This would be trivially easy to do for Trump, or even Obama, so I trust it will only take you a minute or two to respond. GlyphGryph has issued a correction as of 23:43 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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Syndlig posted:Central Texas Goons: if you have any info about dallas/ft worth please pass it on i have family there
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LegoPirateNinja posted:Hang on a second. Inflation is driven by increases in the money supply. QE has pumped tons of money in the economy, and while its true policy makers have done everything to keep inflation down, you can't do that forever. Inflation has to hit sometime. I don't think it's going to stay quiet with a trillion dollars of infrastructure stimulus floating around. profiteering, economic rent extraction and monopolies cause inflation
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punk rebel ecks posted:I always saw liberals as people who believe adding policy and funding to existing structures is key. While progressives want to tear things down and build them a new. What if you're one way on some things and another in other things? Like you both want universal health coverage for all paid for by progressive taxes AND think that the general structure we have for food stamps is OK, but needs more funding, better outreach to get more eligible people on the rolls, and a personal care allowance for things like shampoo and feminine hygiene products? Is there a term for that. Libpro? Probral? Libgressive? I need to know to start a Tumblr page...
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:Who was it that said that Hillary made a conscious decision not to mention her platform out of fear of alienating her donors? Me. It's definitely the case. Fortunately it goes to show that they are minority in America and aren't the shadowy cabal that conspiracy theorists love to rave about, covering their scope and bredth of power. Instead we jut see sheer incompetence, because even her donor base seem like they would get hysterical if their voices weren't being heard instead of formulating a plan to flat out lie to the populists.
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Nov 19, 2016 23:48
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People usually are multiple political labels on different political topics
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loquacius posted:MIND like its about more than just national ads and the celebrities you saw on tv? i feel like i walked into a conversation about a football game and the guy i'm talking to is going entirely off the highlight reel he saw on espn the next day
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Nov 19, 2016 23:59
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Oh Snapple! posted:It was the truth if I go by 99.9% of Hillary ads I saw on television. I live in the "I-4 Corridor" in Florida, one of the most hotly contested areas in every election, and I watch TV for one hour only every night: when Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy is on. The month leading up to the election was torture. Literally multiple election commercials every single break. I agree with this 99.9% number. I don't remember a single talking point for Hillary besides "Do you really want to be the kind of piece of poo poo who votes for this guy?"
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I think I just got personally blamed for the Clinton campaign's failure by a longtime friend over skype. What do you even say when someone you've known for a decade says to you "you know, maybe if people like your family didn't lie on all the polls then she would've had more reason to go to the Midwest" with apparent seriousness? I don't think me or anyone I know has EVER purposely lied to a pollster, I just maybe only do 1 a year because they call anyone with landlines in Iowa about 5 times a day during election season. I held back my worst doubts about Clinton through the campaign year and defended her to friends and family quite often, but now the crime of being Midwestern and thinking there is something internally wrong with the party has drawn me some serious ire from friends lately 
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Guy DeBorgore posted:like its about more than just national ads and the celebrities you saw on tv? i feel like i walked into a conversation about a football game and the guy i'm talking to is going entirely off the highlight reel he saw on espn the next day At any point are you going to turn this line of thinking into an actual argument rather than the forum post equivalent of a snarky tweet (I am suggesting you be more specific and say what you mean rather than just being condescending)
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docbeard posted:She made a point of talking about policy in the debates, too, but it was all ultimately in venues that only the people who were already kind of tuned in were likely to see. Hell no. Every single question was met with a non answer. Trump as also guilty of this but let's not pretend.
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Trump doesn't have much liquid capital right? So he would benifit from inflation? Well it's hard to say if what he does have would retain value in proportion. Like he could value his brand more and ask for more when licencing. But despite all this his brand is still toxic and his properties hemeraging.
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Guy DeBorgore posted:like its about more than just national ads and the celebrities you saw on tv? i feel like i walked into a conversation about a football game and the guy i'm talking to is going entirely off the highlight reel he saw on espn the next day sounds like typical c-spam to me, i dont see the problem here  we're major players in the political rumblings and at the snap of a finger I could appoint Trump's cabinet members right now if I wanted. It makes all the difference to post about it on SA of all places, they'll never suspect our coded messages to each other, like Ed Balls.
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bump_fn posted:if you have any info about dallas/ft worth please pass it on i have family there Sure. I'm not sure what counties they live in, but here's what I can find for this month (or early next month if need be), by County. Collin County: http://http://www.collindemocrats.org/ All their county meetings take place at their office: CCDP Office, 1915 N Central Expy #150, Plano, TX 75075, USA Sun Nov 20 3:00 PM - "What Can We Do?" Tue Nov 22 7:00PM - Leadership Meeting Mon Nov 28 6:30PM - "What You Can Do" Tue Nov 29 7:15 - Current Economic Climate Meeting They also have a meeting every single Friday called "Drinking Liberally" that changes location, and starts at 6:30 PM Dallas County: http://www.dallasdemocrats.org/get-involved/calendar Tue Nov 22 6:30PM - Dallas County Texas Democratic Women Wed Nov 23 7:00PM: - Dallas Coutny East Democrats Thu Nov 24 6:45 - North Dallas Texas Democratic Women Sat Nov 26 8:00AM - Dallas County East Democrats Coffee Social Sat Nov 26 9:00AM - Garland Area Democratic Club Saturday Morning Coffee Sat Nov 26 3:00PM - Rowlett Democratic Club They also do "Drinking Liberally", though it's sporadic and different groups. Denton County: http://www.dentondemocrats.org/ Every monday they do a "Progressive Leaders Toastmasters" meeting to teach people communication and how to do public speaking, in an effort to spread political awareness. Looks like Denton County barley does meetings, but there are subgroups that might? Check their "Clubs & Organizations" page and go from there. Kaufman County: http://www.kcdemocrats.org/calendar Sat, Dec 10: Monthly Meeting. They had theirs last weekend, so the next isn't for 3 more weeks. Rockwall County: http://rockwalldems.com/?post_type=tribe_events No upcoming events. Their monthly meeting was this morning. Tarrant County: http://www.calendarwiz.com/calendars/calendar.php?crd=TarrantDemocrats&&jsenabled=1&winh=1080&winw=1920&inifr=false Their offices moved and a bunch of their meetings are being cancelled. I guess since Ft Worth is pretty red still they're demoralized. There are still three events on the horizon though: Sun Nov 20 2:30PM - 360 Corridor Democratic Action! @ Spring Creek Barbeque Thu Nov 24 7:00PM - Mid-Cities Democrats Meeting @ Los Jimadores Tex-Mex Mon Nov 28 7:00PM - Southwest Democrats @ Olive Garden If any of these are close to your family, let them know. I didn't go in-depth on addresses, but you should be able to find that info on the calendars.
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Lastgirl posted:they'll never suspect our coded messages to each other, like Ed Balls. Indeed. Trump doctor sex cake, madam
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Maduo posted:all of you are why facebook has to crack down on fake news Click here for 5 reasons that may or may not be true!
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