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I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

# ? Nov 19, 2016 12:56

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 14:59

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Graic Gabtar posted:

How could it not be debatable? A one panel cartoon really doesn't give scope for complete context and explanation of controversial views to soothe sensitive minds. That's not really what cartoons do. They confront by design and sometimes hold a mirror up to society that people don't want to see. Groups of people throwing around the word 'racist' to shame Leak into silence to me is a lot worse than the content of his work.

Anyway, I'm sure though if his cartoons are found to be racist or xenaphobic he'll be 18c'ed by someone not just doing it for shits and giggles.

Doesn't 18D specifically except artwork? Just because his racism isn't illegal, doesn't make it not racist. :shrug:

e:And loving lol at the idea that racism can't be shown in a one panel cartoon.

WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Nov 19, 2016

# ? Nov 19, 2016 12:59

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Graic Gabtar posted:

controversial views to soothe sensitive minds.

choke on a loving bayonet you idiot

e: tone

# ? Nov 19, 2016 13:49

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

"All brown people are poo poo"

WOAH WOAH, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH CONTEXT FOR THE SENSITIVE MINDS

# ? Nov 19, 2016 13:50

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

e:And loving lol at the idea that racism can't be shown in a one panel cartoon.

How many panels did those A. Wyatt Mann comics used to have?

# ? Nov 19, 2016 14:05

hawaiian_robot: Dec 5, 2006; And I'm happy just to sit here,
At a table with old friends.
And see which one of us can tell the biggest lies

This owns, and that was a good write-up. I'm going to be moving to Vic at the start of next year and interested in a bit of street activism, I'm already acquainted with some of the people on social media doing some signal jamming, like the Million Flag Patriots, who is good for a laugh. Where's a good place to meet people and get active in those scenes?

# ? Nov 19, 2016 14:37

The Peccadillo: Mar 4, 2013; We Have Important Work To Do

Graic Gabtar posted:

How could it not be debatable? A one panel cartoon really doesn't give scope for complete context and explanation of controversial views to soothe sensitive minds. That's not really what cartoons do. They confront by design and sometimes hold a mirror up to society that people don't want to see. Groups of people throwing around the word 'racist' to shame Leak into silence to me is a lot worse than the content of his work.

Consider this proposal: you are much worse here than gone

# ? Nov 19, 2016 14:48

Au Revoir Shosanna: Feb 17, 2011; i support this government and/or service

Graic Gabtar posted:

Broadly, the Left and Right have wildly different measures for what constitutes racism.

The Right obviously have a much higher bar to clear for what makes someone a racist, and get all offended and thin-skinned that you would dare accuse them of racism when they haven't even put on a white hood and lynched a person of colour.

The Left calls someone racist who has done or said a racist thing. Pretty simple. The reason for this is that human beings are inherently racist animals and the Left recognises this, so allowing a racist thought to go unchallenged runs the risk of normalising that particular brand of racism and thus creating an acceptable platform for even more racist fuckwits to say increasingly racist things.

If racism is ever going to be destroyed then it needs to be called out and shamed whenever it shows its ugly head, otherwise it will fester in the collective subconscious and continue to gain increasing traction in the mainstream.

# ? Nov 19, 2016 15:40

ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

Graic Gabtar posted:

However, only one seems to be a result of Australia not yet undoing ceding control of our border to the UN.

Do you think that UN inspectors show up and say "nope you have to let this guy in" and the immigration department is powerless to resist or what, because "the UN controls the Australian border" is pretty much on the same level of crazy as the UN being a global illuminati front for the Rothschilds.

# ? Nov 19, 2016 15:54

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Graic Gabtar posted:

However, only one seems to be a result of Australia not yet undoing ceding control of our border to the UN.

Normally I pay no attention to your ravings of late but someone quoted this, explain how the UN controls our borders, this should be phenomenal.

e: beaten like a racist moron

# ? Nov 19, 2016 15:54

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/rethinking-the-unthinkable-perhaps-malcolm-turnbulls-refugee-ban-wasnt-so-bad-after-all-20161116-gsqj9z.html

The gently caress

# ? Nov 19, 2016 16:57

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

It works because it's so cruel.

# ? Nov 19, 2016 17:09

ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

Lid posted:

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/rethinking-the-unthinkable-perhaps-malcolm-turnbulls-refugee-ban-wasnt-so-bad-after-all-20161116-gsqj9z.html

The gently caress

I don't get it. Getting people out of camps and to the USA is a good thing, but this might attract more boats so a ban on them ever coming to Australia at the same time would solve this problem?

Who on earth would give a poo poo about not being able to go on holiday to Australia later if they thought it was the price they had to pay to escape likely death and torture to be resettled in the USA? I know some Australians think this country is the BEST COUNTRY but seriously?

edit: Apart from Trump potentially sinking it (or turning the USA into a dystopian hellhole) I do think resettling refugees in the USA from camps is unambiguously a good thing from the point of view of refugee wellbeing, if a bit pointless for Australia as opposed to processing them here. I wonder if it reflects any significant proportion of the Australian government who has insight that we are treating these people appallingly and need to stop it, but need to find a face-saving way out because the voters will gently caress them over for showing any compassion.

ModernMajorGeneral fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Nov 19, 2016

# ? Nov 19, 2016 17:26

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Lid posted:

The gently caress

My theory is that Mark Kenny really wants a job somewhere that is not Fairfax. Maybe Chris Uhlmann can help.

# ? Nov 19, 2016 17:33

Capt.Whorebags: Jan 10, 2005

quote:

One Nation senator Rod Culleton has penned a bizarre conspiracy-theory-laden letter to the High Court in which he claims armed SWAT teams are helping the banks rob Australians of their assets, complains of a Commonwealth "reign of terror" and slams the judges he's trying to win over as "elitist".

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/fed...118-gssqxe.html

# ? Nov 19, 2016 22:23

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

hawaiian_robot posted:

This owns, and that was a good write-up. I'm going to be moving to Vic at the start of next year and interested in a bit of street activism, I'm already acquainted with some of the people on social media doing some signal jamming, like the Million Flag Patriots, who is good for a laugh. Where's a good place to meet people and get active in those scenes?

I'm not hyper keyed into the Melb scene, but monitoring facebook pages like Campaign against Racism and Fascism, No Room for Racism , Equal Love, or Refugee Action Collective (the Vic branch).

It's also worth monitoring (in no particular order) any of the many antifascist pages, although I guess they can be more extreme in their rhetoric/actions so pick some more chill ones to ease into it. The Melbourne one is especially good for staying up to date.

:siren:

A word of caution about cyber-security and counter-rallies :siren:

It's not really applicable to the peaceful/main rallies, as you usually aren't crashing someone elses party

I am p paranoid when it comes to who knows when I am going to counter rally, this is just basic cyber awareness. If you are going to hit "Attend" on a facebook event, be mindful that basically anyone will be able to see this, and this can form useful intelligence for the neo-nazis (harrassment, keeping tabs on you etc.). If you HAVE to be a keyboard warrior, the make sure there's nothing on your page that you don't mind the neo-nazis knowing about. Basically don't be a facebook keyboard warrior, it gets you nowhere and just attracts attention to yourself.

# ? Nov 19, 2016 22:37

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Sydney, your food and sights are cool.

Your filthy hipster culture is not though. I actually died a little bit inside walking through Newtown.

# ? Nov 19, 2016 23:44

ZombyDog: Jul 11, 2001; Ere to fix yer gubbinz

Graic Gabtar posted:

However, only one seems to be a result of Australia not yet undoing ceding control of our border to the UN.

It's already been asked but this needs some unpacking.

When did we cede control of our border? I'm not being willfuly dense, but I mean you can't be talking about any human rights charters that we may have been signatory to. It's obvious that they aren't binding, successive Governments have been ignoring the poo poo out of them and yet conservative talking heads and angry grandpa chain emails keep calling to have them abolished despite these realities.

# ? Nov 19, 2016 23:44

thatbastardken: Apr 23, 2010; A contract signed by a minor is not binding!

1978, obviously

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy#End_of_the_White_Australia_policy

# ? Nov 19, 2016 23:48

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Motherfuck.

UPF and True Blue organized a pro-trump rally at Melbourne's Parliment house today.

# ? Nov 20, 2016 04:03

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Looks like the Melbourne shindig is kicking off about now, the anti-Trump/antifascist crowd is allegedly around but I can't find anything about the pro-Trump/fascists.

# ? Nov 20, 2016 04:03

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Synthbuttrange posted:

Motherfuck.

UPF and True Blue organized a pro-trump rally at Melbourne's Parliment house today.

Yeah this is what I posted about yesterday, but there's still no sign of the UPF/TBC or anything from what I can see (I really wish I was in Melbourne). They are late to their own party

e: apparently they are being escorted to the front of Parliament houe, according tho their event page https://www.facebook.com/events/331966720515869/?active_tab=discussion

Recoome fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Nov 20, 2016

# ? Nov 20, 2016 04:05

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

Escorted by whom? How can they afford escorts?

# ? Nov 20, 2016 04:14

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Probably using taxpayer funded escorts, those bludgers.

open24hours fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Nov 20, 2016

# ? Nov 20, 2016 04:22

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

old photo, but

e:loving lol at that event page. Parliment. jfc.

# ? Nov 20, 2016 05:01

Magog: Jan 9, 2010

Zenithe posted:

Sydney, your food and sights are cool.

Your filthy hipster culture is not though. I actually died a little bit inside walking through Newtown.

Hey mate, only we get to be disgusted by our filthy hipster culture.

# ? Nov 20, 2016 05:32

Frogfingers: Oct 10, 2012

Victoria Police's slogan is 'Upholding the Right', what the gently caress else can you expect?

# ? Nov 20, 2016 05:33

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

thatbastardken posted:

quote:
i arrive in the political arena

patriotism: simple
boots: jack
racism: overt

# ? Nov 20, 2016 05:54

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

In an unsurprising turn of events, there wasn't any major clashes between the Antifascist/Antiracists and the TBC/UPF/Ultranationalists

https://twitter.com/gayedemanuele/status/800198158143787008

All I can find is this ranting video (with counter-rally heard in background). Looks like a pretty small turnout compared to the volumes of counter-protesters, although I'm really surprised that the counter-protesters weren't able to occupy the space the pro-Trump dudes wanted (probably courtesy of VicPol).

e: As I said, it was really unlikely that there'd be clashes in the street ala last year. Looks like the lines were separated by over 100 metres.

https://twitter.com/forevertoremain/status/800199466917597184

https://twitter.com/adamlcarey/status/800176607717572608

https://twitter.com/slackbastard/status/800179055014211584

Recoome fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Nov 20, 2016

# ? Nov 20, 2016 06:03

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Magog posted:

Hey mate, only we get to be disgusted by our filthy hipster culture.

I'm pretty sure that disgust towards organic quinoa protein scramble on rice flour toast is universal to all who don't partake in it personally ~mate~.

# ? Nov 20, 2016 06:13

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-case-for-a-universal-basic-income-no-questions-asked-20161118-gssj23.html

quote:

What if the right to an income was as basic as the right to vote?

In Australia you don't get money unless you work, or can prove you've been trying to find work or are disabled or jump through some other sort of hoop. At 65 you get the pension.

In Alaska every citizen gets $US2000 a year, no questions asked. It's a dividend from royalties from oil extracted in the Arctic Circle. In Kenya a $30 million trial is about to give 6000 citizens a basic income for 12 years to find out what difference it makes. An earlier trial found it lowered their stress hormones, improved their psychological health and cut their spending on alcohol and tobacco. A trial in Uganda found those who got automatic payments invested more in education and starting up their own businesses. Four years on they earned 40 per cent more than those who hadn't.

That shouldn't be surprising. Many of us who start up businesses or enrol in courses rely on the income of a partner or parent to make it possible. Those denied that support can't do it.

Yet in Australia we seem to believe that if we simply hand out money, people won't work. Social Services Minister Christian Porter revealed on Friday that in the past year 3000 Newstart recipients had turned down offers of employment � that's 3000, out of roughly half a million. Even if we can accept that most people on benefits actually do want to work (either in paid employment or in equally valuable voluntary caring roles) many of us still seem to feel there's something morally wrong in delinking rewards from work.

Yet if we are honest, those of us with good jobs should probably admit that we have them largely through luck and the accident of where we were born. Much of our income isn't the result of our own efforts, it's a dividend from our society � a dividend we deny those without those jobs.

Switzerland just had a referendum on providing each of its adults with a basic income of $3450 per month. It failed. Finland, Canada and the Netherlands are about to run trials. In Australia, and New Zealand where the idea is being promoted heavily, the basic income might be $12,000 per year � not enough to live on, but a fallback that would enable hard-up jobseekers to turn down potentially dangerous or illegal jobs such as prostitution.

Yes, it would also go to the most well-off, Gina Rinehart and James Packer among them. But that's how it is with rights � they're universal. And we already hand those well-off Australians benefits such as tax-free thresholds. If a basic income replaced the tax-free threshold and was extended to all of us, Rinehart and Packer would be no better off and the payments wouldn't be too expensive.

The French poet Victor Hugo famously proclaimed there was "nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come". As automation steadily eliminates even the kind of well-paid jobs most of us have always wanted, that time may be approaching.

Peter Martin is economics editor of The Age

# ? Nov 20, 2016 06:31

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Solemn Sloth posted:

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-case-for-a-universal-basic-income-no-questions-asked-20161118-gssj23.html

Peter Martin glances furtively over his shoulder before ducking into the toilet cubicle, his large duffle catching awkwardly in the doorway.

Twenty minutes later, certain that no one is watching, Bifauxenen exits the cubicle. Hiking her special refrigerated duffle where she keeps her spare conservative skins high onto her shoulder, she smiles as she sets off to her next target; the Telegraph.

# ? Nov 20, 2016 06:59

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

e:loving lol at that event page. Parliment. jfc.

i want an escort to the chicken parmiment

# ? Nov 20, 2016 07:41

Redcordial: Nov 7, 2009; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

lol the country is fed up with your safe spaces and trigger warnings you useless special snowflakes, send the sjws to mexico

The pro-Trump counter-protest in Melbourne showed us once again that the hateful views expressed by racists and fascists will continue to be opposed in greater numbers, and energy, than the hate-filled 'right' can deliver in Melbourne.

The unofficial numbers for the anti-Trump crowd were peaking 300 at times, while from secondary sources I can guesstimate that the pro-Trump rally had around 30-40 attendees, which all arrived extremely late. The anti-Trump crowd which consisted of a myriad of groups and organisations as well as a very diverse range of attendees, were numbering over 150 well before the official start time of the counter-protests.

The anti-Trump crowd marched through the city and looped back towards Parliament where it was apparent that the police had established a strong cordon on both sides of Parliament. The anti-Trump crowd massed against the police lines, resuming chants and outcries of anti-fascist tunes. The two groups were separated by over 150 metres, and I'd guess closer to 200 metres, which made accessing the pro-Trump side of the rally a very difficult task.

At one point an Australian flag-bearing individual approached the anti-Trump crowd with the look of an over-inflated ego and strong sense of entitlement. The very stupid individual quickly conducted an about-turn and walked back from the way he had come, while a crowd of around a dozen, mainly AntiFa, chanted their displeasure with him, and threw bottles etc towards the fleeing loser.

That was the most 'action' that I witnessed, as I was participating in a cameraman/journalist type of capacity rather than directly being part of the street activism. Many people weren't surprised that 1. the pro-Trump crowd were very late, and attracted such a sad amount of people, and that 2. the police escorted the racists to their 'safe zone' ensuring that they can be surrounded by only their VicPol friends while they chant their hate-filled garbage.

I managed to get some great footage of the riot police, the anti-Trump supporters, and also some amazing shots of the AntiFa group which isn't an easy thing to do, given they were telling almost everyone to 'gently caress off' when faced with a camera. I promised I would do some editing work before showing anyone images of the AntiFa group, so I will be respecting that. But I'll post a bunch of photo's and videos once I edit them tomorrow.

All in all it was a much greater show of compassion from the anti-Trump crowd than I had anticipated, and there was less violence than anticipated also, which is obviously a good thing cos there's always time to bash racists when hundreds of police aren't present lol. I had a great time acting as a cameraman and chatting with other street activists and can see myself doing more camera work in protests going forward.

# ? Nov 20, 2016 07:59

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

Solemn Sloth posted:

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-case-for-a-universal-basic-income-no-questions-asked-20161118-gssj23.html

A few years ago I had never heard of the idea of basic income and thought it sounded like a lefty pipe dream, whereas now I keep seeing articles about it all the time. Warms the heart - maybe we'll see it within out lifetimes.

I don't really understand economics at all but it does set your mind wandering down an interesting path. If it was $12,000 a year that's $1,000 a month, which is basically my rent. Would I spend that $1,000? Probably not, because I already live pretty well and am trying to save up for a house. So... it might actually prolong the housing bubble, because suddenly those housings costs would be within reach again? Or it would affect inflation? I don't know! I think people's thoughts naturally turn to how they would utilise that extra 12 grand, which is not necessarily how everybody would.

# ? Nov 20, 2016 08:04

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

Also lol, every time you read the comments on one of these articles (or one about housing costs) there's always some boomer hippie who feels compelled to enlighten the masses about breaking free of the system:

quote:

"$12,000 per year � not enough to live on"
Just got out my budget and my calculator, Peter. I live on less than that figure - no car, no alcohol,no cigarettes, no holidays, and if you take away gifts to family, then it only costs me around 3/4 of that figure to "survive". Housing costs not applicable in my case, only utilities.
I grant you that wouldn't include fancy, expensive, restaurants, lattes, 'entertainment', but I eat well, and I stay healthy, and I can justify finding small pleasures. So what's wrong with a pub lunch special? Home-made burgers are much tastier and healthier, and f-a-r more digestable than the junk-variety. What is more entertaining than a friendly group around a BBQ over the weekend. It costs nothing to swim in our oceans. Our supermarkets have affordable in-house options for a range of necessities where grocery shopping is concerned. One may have to seek a little wider for sensible prices/range/quality on fresh food items, but they are out there, believe me.
Now - educating the masses to "spend wisely" - that's another matter altogether.

# ? Nov 20, 2016 08:07

ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

quote:

Housing costs not applicable in my case

Was trying to think of a clever reply but just lol

# ? Nov 20, 2016 08:10

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

freebooter posted:

A few years ago I had never heard of the idea of basic income and thought it sounded like a lefty pipe dream, whereas now I keep seeing articles about it all the time. Warms the heart - maybe we'll see it within out lifetimes.

I don't really understand economics at all but it does set your mind wandering down an interesting path. If it was $12,000 a year that's $1,000 a month, which is basically my rent. Would I spend that $1,000? Probably not, because I already live pretty well and am trying to save up for a house. So... it might actually prolong the housing bubble, because suddenly those housings costs would be within reach again? Or it would affect inflation? I don't know! I think people's thoughts naturally turn to how they would utilise that extra 12 grand, which is not necessarily how everybody would.

It seems inevitable that it would lead to inflation if you kept getting the basic income no matter how much you earned.

A negative income tax makes much more sense to me, but I haven't seen any modelling around it. People argue that savings in administration costs justify giving it to everyone, but the government spending money on administrators doesn't necessarily seem like a bad thing?

# ? Nov 20, 2016 08:19

Bifauxnen: Aug 12, 2010; Curses! Foiled again!

Cost savings aren't the only goal in reducing administration. If it's the same payment for everybody, it's also harder to screw up and have someone not get their correct payment.

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 14:59

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

That seems like less of an issue than the payment being devalued by inflation though.

The administration could also work as a type of counter-cyclical spending: If the economy were in recession more people would be drawing the basic income, meaning they'd need to hire more administrators.

# ? Nov 20, 2016 08:27

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