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Hey you shitasses. Christmas approaches. Here's a bunch of Start Trucks gift ideas for the special fan(s) in your family.
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The Voyager boxset is the perfect gift for someone you hate.
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Nov 20, 2016 08:28
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Cojawfee posted:Because they needed a romance between two main characters but Kirk needed to be a heterosexual horndog. because lol he loves chasin' those green chicks am i rite????????
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Nov 20, 2016 09:35
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shadowvine118 posted:Was there ever an explanation for why they put Spock and Uhura together in the reboot movies? There are a fair few instances where Uhura and Spock flirt their arses off in TOS, it didn't come out of nowhere. It's clear there was some chemistry. That said, I think they mainly wanted to elevate Uhura to a more prominent role and when it comes to women that means sex.
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Nov 20, 2016 10:38
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Gonz posted:Hey you shitasses. Christmas approaches. Makes me ponder running a ST Secret Santa, since I already do for both the Doctor Who and Transformers threads... 🤔
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Nov 20, 2016 14:01
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Met posted:I think they're respectful of Gene but not shy about his faults in storytelling. They're financed by Rod Roddenberry and I always keep that in mind but I don't think that stops them from criticizing Gene. Rod himself doesn't want Gene mythologized and prefers that his father just be remembered as a guy who had a cool idea for a scifi series and didn't give up until he got it made. I can't find the interview now but he said he wants all the stories about Gene to be told, good and bad, so people will realize that he was just a man like anyone else, it was basically the Riker and Cochrane moment from FC but posthumously.
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Nov 20, 2016 15:51
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McSpanky posted:Rod himself doesn't want Gene mythologized and prefers that his father just be remembered as a guy who had a cool idea for a scifi series and didn't give up until he got it made. I can't find the interview now but he said he wants all the stories about Gene to be told, good and bad, so people will realize that he was just a man like anyone else, it was basically the Riker and Cochrane moment from FC but posthumously. The problem with that is that Gene is way more bad than good and didn't really bring anything to the table other than the initial idea.
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Nov 20, 2016 16:41
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WickedHate posted:The problem with that is that Gene is way more bad than good and didn't really bring anything to the table other than the initial idea. Please, this thread shits on Roddenberry's grave as much as most fans would put it in a gilded mausoleum. Solow and Justman are not the final word on the man's legacy (although waiting until he was six years dead to release their "real story", they were giving it their best shot) and I don't subscribe to that "idea man" revisionism.
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Nov 20, 2016 19:11
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I mean Gene had his foibles but he gave us a fun and, importantly, optimistic view of the future that has persisted as an inspiration for decades. Now more than ever that's really something we need, the idea that humanity can be better than we are as a species, that we can overcome our worst angels, fix our worst problems, and go explore cool poo poo in space. I don't know the details of everything he did and didn't do, but I can't really think of the guy as anything other than cool and good.
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Nov 20, 2016 20:03
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Mister Adequate posted:I mean Gene had his foibles but he gave us a fun and, importantly, optimistic view of the future that has persisted as an inspiration for decades. Now more than ever that's really something we need, the idea that humanity can be better than we are as a species, that we can overcome our worst angels, fix our worst problems, and go explore cool poo poo in space. I don't know the details of everything he did and didn't do, but I can't really think of the guy as anything other than cool and good.
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Nov 20, 2016 20:05
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He once gave Majel a hell of an infection going from back to front, and then cornered one of Gene Coon's assistants to tell her all about it. I'm glad they included this fact in the book I'm reading.
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Nov 20, 2016 20:11
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MorgaineDax posted:He once gave Majel a hell of an infection going from back to front, and then cornered one of Gene Coon's assistants to tell her all about it. I'm glad they included this fact in the book I'm reading. Hahaha holy poo poo is this true 
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Nov 20, 2016 20:40
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McSpanky posted:Please, this thread shits on Roddenberry's grave as much as most fans would put it in a gilded mausoleum. Solow and Justman are not the final word on the man's legacy (although waiting until he was six years dead to release their "real story", they were giving it their best shot) and I don't subscribe to that "idea man" revisionism. Honestly I don't think even Inside Star Trek goes that far, if I remember right the book says at multiple points that Roddenberry busted his rear end working on the show for the first couple of years.
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Nov 20, 2016 20:50
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MorgaineDax posted:He once gave Majel a hell of an infection going from back to front, and then cornered one of Gene Coon's assistants to tell her all about it. I'm glad they included this fact in the book I'm reading. that must have been the inspiration for the transporter's biofilter
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Nov 20, 2016 20:53
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Man, Kirk is really good at talking computers to death.
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Nov 20, 2016 21:34
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Pakled posted:Man, Kirk is really good at talking computers to death. That's why NOMAD blew itself up. To get away!
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Nov 20, 2016 21:37
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Mister Adequate posted:Hahaha holy poo poo is this true The Fifty-Year Mission: The Complete, Uncensored, Unauthorized Oral History of Star Trek: The First 25 Years really puts emphasis on the uncensored. This is from Ande Richardson. quote:I remember seeing him with Nichelle in his office, which is when I realized, "Oh, he's been banging Nichelle." But he moved Majel into an apartment just down the street so he could go for nooners. I don't know why he had to be lecherous, looking after every woman. He came back from Japan with Majel and he said to me, "You know, Ande, you can go from the front to the back but you can't go from the back to the front. Majel's got a heck of an infection." Again, why are you telling me this? But that was him: freaky-deaky dude." I've never heard of this woman before, but I'm really enjoying her quotes in the book. She's black and was friends with Malcolm X, MLK Jr, and Maulana Karenga, and worked as a Desilu secretary before becoming Gene L. Coon's personal assistant. quote:Then Gene Coon came along and he had me come in and work with him. Then one day he asked me if I'd like to work for him and give up the other job. It took a little bit for me to decide that, because I had come from working with Malcolm and Karenga and all those people, and to work for a white dude named Coon was not exactly what I was planning. RaspberrySea fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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Nov 20, 2016 21:51
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shadowvine118 posted:Was there ever an explanation for why they put Spock and Uhura together in the reboot movies? I sincerely think that the writers watched one episode of the original series and it was the first broadcast, that being the Man Trap, where Uhura spent a bit of time teasing and flirting with Spock. remusclaw fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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Nov 20, 2016 21:59
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Gonz posted:The Voyager boxset is the perfect gift for someone you hate. I have a friend who loves Voyager and feels a soul bond with Kate Mulgrew Yes it is creepy why do you ask
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Nov 20, 2016 22:20
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MorgaineDax posted:The Fifty-Year Mission: The Complete, Uncensored, Unauthorized Oral History of Star Trek: The First 25 Years really puts emphasis on the uncensored.  this is amazing, I gotta get this booke; I know you're not talking poo poo about Asha'bellanar
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Nov 20, 2016 22:38
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Nebakenezzer posted:I have a friend who loves Voyager and feels a soul bond with Kate Mulgrew Soul bonds aside, I'm pretty sure this thread (or an earlier incarnation of it) had a bunch of stories involving goons shocked (shocked, I say) that their friends/family/loved ones like Voyager and didn't like DS9. It was doubly amusing when the very things that they liked DS9 for were why that other person didn't. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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Nov 20, 2016 22:55
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Voyager is typically preferred by people who don't like to think too hard about what they're watching
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Nov 21, 2016 00:07
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I know some people who like Voyager because they appreciate Janeway, Seven, Kes, and B'elanna as pretty good woman characters.
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Nov 21, 2016 01:25
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Mister Adequate posted:I know some people who like Voyager because they appreciate Janeway, Seven, Kes, and B'elanna as pretty good woman characters. Seven perhaps but I wouldn't characterize the others as pretty good woman characters Kes's deal was that she was literally a child and nobody seemed to understand the implications of that or what to do with her B'elanna was literally just "I'm angry at everyone and everything. Forever." I still remember the episode they did about suicide focused on her and managed to make everybody involved even more un likeable Janeway was so inconsistently written that Mulgrew started playing her as though she were bi polar or some poo poo I'm not a woman but if I were I'd probably feel insulted if anyone thought these characters were good representations of people like me
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Nov 21, 2016 02:05
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They were still miles ahead of Troi and Crusher in terms of being actual characters right off the bat.
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Nov 21, 2016 02:12
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Tighclops posted:B'elanna was literally just "I'm angry at everyone and everything. Forever." Especially at that time, there weren't many female TV characters at all who were allowed to be consistently angry, like as a major personality trait. When I was a kid I was angry a lot and I actually did really appreciate that character for that reason.
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Nov 21, 2016 02:56
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Tighclops posted:Seven perhaps but I wouldn't characterize the others as pretty good woman characters As an example; https://twitter.com/Danielleri/status/727180874605842432 https://twitter.com/Danielleri/status/557080163154804736 There's definitely people out there who appreciate it!
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Nov 21, 2016 03:06
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There are like 12 good episodes out of the entire show, that's brutal
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Nov 21, 2016 03:10
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Voyager proudly carried on Gene's vision by showing how terrible female captains are.
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Nov 21, 2016 03:12
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Voyager was the series that I had the most experience with since it was on prime time when I was a kid. I only remember watching maybe five seconds of DS9. I was aware of the other series characters, mostly through cultural osmosis like the Muppet Babies, and my school had their computer room set up in one section like the inside of the Enterprise, and they had some standees of the characters, but I didn't actually see the other shows until middle school (I did see part of Insurrection when it was in theaters while waiting for my movie to start). I can't remember when I first learned that there are different series, or whether I was confused as to why I never saw the dude with the ears and the visor guy on the show even though they seemed like big parts of it.
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Nov 21, 2016 03:56
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Voyager was the only Trek series that I got to watch while it was still in production growing up. DS9 ran alongside it of course, but my local UPN affiliate showed Voyager at 9pm on Wednesdays and DS9 at like 2am (for some hosed up reason???), so I only got to enjoy DS9 after it came out on DVD and I begged for them at a stupidly overpriced $100-per-season. Everything after Season 3 I thankfully picked up on some crazy sale at Sam's Club for like $30 each.
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Nov 21, 2016 06:29
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with the tng episode where they loose their memories from a laser, it's pretty entertaining that worf slinked his way into the captains chair, with Picard in the ensign death seat
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Nov 21, 2016 06:39
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There is a horde of dedicated Voyager fans who adore the show because they wanted 7 more years of TNG and Voyager is the next best thing.
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Nov 21, 2016 11:50
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Zurui posted:There is a horde of dedicated Voyager fans who adore the show because they wanted 7 more years of TNG and Voyager is the next best thing. I don't know Andromeda was more TNG than voyager
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Nov 21, 2016 14:57
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Dicky mouse posted:I don't know Andromeda was more TNG than voyager Andromeda was horrible from beginning to end. Ditto for Earth Final Cornflake.
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Nov 21, 2016 14:58
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A bunch of gay nerds I know love voyager and Janeway so so much to the point that I associate voyager with gay nerds (gerds). In the 50 year book on voyager they comment on this being a thing that gay men for some reason extra loved voyager. I don't get it but it's totally a thing.
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Nov 21, 2016 15:20
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Baronjutter posted:A bunch of gay nerds I know love voyager and Janeway so so much to the point that I associate voyager with gay nerds (gerds). In the 50 year book on voyager they comment on this being a thing that gay men for some reason extra loved voyager. I don't get it but it's totally a thing. It is indeed a thing. Any gay geek I've met over the years seemed to unabashedly love Voyager. If I pointed out that it was the worst, and it was all rehashed TNG plots they'd generally give "Oh I know, but I still love it" as a reply.
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Nov 21, 2016 15:35
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Pakled posted:Man, Kirk is really good at talking computers to death. That was basically my too-short synopsis of that episode: "Kirk yells at a robot until it dies."
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Nov 21, 2016 15:40
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The_Doctor posted:It is indeed a thing. Any gay geek I've met over the years seemed to unabashedly love Voyager. If I pointed out that it was the worst, and it was all rehashed TNG plots they'd generally give "Oh I know, but I still love it" as a reply. As a gay Trek geek, I can tell you that this is pretty much 100% because of Kate Mulgrew. She has a pretty decently-sized gay following in general as an actor, and therefore gay geeks also love Voyager because of it.
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Nov 21, 2016 15:44
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I'm straight and I loving love Kate Mulgrew.
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Nov 21, 2016 15:53
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