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Mr Chips: Jun 27, 2007; Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

Starshark posted:

Only a quarter of Americans - Americans are 'climate skeptics'. They're really in a minority, they just like to spray their poo poo everywhere because they think they're speaking truth to power. It becomes a problem when some of them get into government. But I don't think they're getting elected on a climate skeptic platform.

truth to power is important. We must stop all those rich, powerful researchers bullying poor, defenceless companies like Shell, Exxon, BP, etc. You know, those companies that make up 5 of the 10 largest corporations in the world.

I actually had a university academic telling me this at last year's Faculty Christmas party.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 01:06

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 09:57

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

Solemn Sloth posted:

Climate change wasn't the centre of Trumps platform but did you ignore the whole Tony Abbott carbon tax thing or what.

I don't think Abbott was voted in on the Carbon tax so much as he was the alternative to Rudd-Gillard-Rudd. Only twenty percent of Australians are climate skeptics.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 01:13

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Mr Chips posted:

truth to power is important. We must stop all those rich, powerful researchers bullying poor, defenceless companies like Shell, Exxon, BP, etc. You know, those companies that make up 5 of the 10 largest corporations in the world.

I actually had a university academic telling me this at last year's Faculty Christmas party.

Geologist or engineer?

# ? Nov 21, 2016 01:25

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Starshark posted:

I don't think Abbott was voted in on the Carbon tax so much as he was the alternative to Rudd-Gillard-Rudd. Only twenty percent of Australians are climate skeptics.

You're putting too much weight on whether people self describe as climate sceptic or not, and not on the actual action that they take (voting for an explicitly climate sceptic platform)

# ? Nov 21, 2016 01:27

Mr Chips: Jun 27, 2007; Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

Solemn Sloth posted:

engineer

bingo

There are social science researchers doing research into why engineers, who are quite on the money when it comes to stuff like building power supplies or bridges that work, are so prone to conspiracy thinking can crackpottery when it comes to stuff outside of their discipline.

Mr Chips fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Nov 21, 2016

# ? Nov 21, 2016 01:30

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Mr Chips posted:

bingo

There are social science researchers doing research into why engineers, who are quite on the money when it comes to stuff like building power supplies or bridges that work, are so prone to conspiracy thinking can crackpottery when it comes to stuff outside of their discipline.

I imagine it's down to the fact that engineering is all about facts and logic and predictability. Conspiracy theories often appeal to people because they reduce uncertainty in the world. The idea that some guys with box knives could kill thousands and shape global politics for decades to come is a terrifying level of uncertainty and randomness in the world. It's more comforting to picture that it's a conspiracy at the top levels of government, and now that we are onto them they can't do it again.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 01:36

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Is there any research showing that engineers actually are more prone to believing in conspiracy theories once social background, etc. is taken into account?

# ? Nov 21, 2016 01:51

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Mr Chips posted:

There are social science researchers doing research into why engineers, who are quite on the money when it comes to stuff like building power supplies or bridges that work, are so prone to conspiracy thinking can crackpottery when it comes to stuff outside of their discipline.

its because they're assholes, op

# ? Nov 21, 2016 01:55

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

open24hours posted:

Is there any research showing that engineers actually are more prone to believing in conspiracy theories once social background, etc. is taken into account?

I seriously doubt there is, or that engineers are more conspiracy prone than non-engineers. My open anecdotal experience of engineers is that

BBJoey posted:

its because they're assholes, op

# ? Nov 21, 2016 01:59

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

I work with an engineer but he's an environmental sustainability engineer (one of the good ones)

# ? Nov 21, 2016 02:13

Mr Chips: Jun 27, 2007; Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

open24hours posted:

Is there any research showing that engineers actually are more prone to believing in conspiracy theories once social background, etc. is taken into account?

Recoome posted:

I seriously doubt there is, or that engineers are more conspiracy prone than non-engineers. My open anecdotal experience of engineers is that

The point of the research is to establish this...you generally don't get research funded if it's a well trodden path.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 02:25

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Right, but you'd have to establish that they actually are more prone to believing in conspiracy theories before you got into why they are.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 02:27

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Mr Chips posted:

The point of the research is to establish this...you generally don't get research funded if it's a well trodden path.

I'm saying that there's probably no/not a lot of research to support the assertion that engineers are more conspiracy prone

Also lmao about the "untrodden path" thing WRT research funding

# ? Nov 21, 2016 02:34

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Mr Chips posted:

There are social science researchers doing research into why engineers, who are quite on the money when it comes to stuff like building power supplies or bridges that work, are so prone to conspiracy thinking can crackpottery when it comes to stuff outside of their discipline.

Depends. Structural engineers seem to be ok compared to architects, see a 9/11 truther near you. I think it might depend on the conspiracy theory.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 02:49

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

It seems to be more that they're far more likely to be libertarians to me. It's that libertarians are conspiracy minded. :shrug:

# ? Nov 21, 2016 03:06

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

As a civil engineer, it's a pretty safe bet to assume that any engineer you interact with is a fuckwit. Having technical knowledge in one niche area gives one the misguided belief that they're an expert on all topics.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 03:33

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

I hope that new union to replace the shoppies goes well, but as the article states others have already tried and failed to knock them over :smith:

# ? Nov 21, 2016 03:36

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

thatfatkid posted:

As a civil engineer, it's a pretty safe bet to assume that any engineer you interact with is a fuckwit. Having technical knowledge in one niche area gives one the misguided belief that they're an expert on all topics.

Also see lawyers.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 03:37

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

thatfatkid posted:

As a civil engineer, it's a pretty safe bet to assume that any engineer you interact with is a fuckwit.

Checks out.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 03:37

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

It's getting to be an awfully long list guys. Even after we confiscate all the guns and bullets we still might not have enough.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 03:39

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

One Nation Senator Rod Culleton has fronted the High Court today, over whether he was a valid candidate at the last federal election.

He faced media after the directions hearing, telling reporters he had already won and he is "not mentally deranged at all" as he slowly turned into a corn cob

# ? Nov 21, 2016 04:10

hawaiian_robot: Dec 5, 2006; And I'm happy just to sit here,
At a table with old friends.
And see which one of us can tell the biggest lies

thatfatkid posted:

As a civil engineer, it's a pretty safe bet to assume that any engineer you interact with is a fuckwit. Having technical knowledge in one niche area gives one the misguided belief that they're an expert on all topics.

I used to tutor a civil engineer's kids, used to see books about "debunking evolution" and climate skeptic stuff around the house, we had conversations about how the hypothesis of planets forming from a protoplanetary disk didn't make sense. Joke's on him I explained the truth of how horses evolved, and the recurrent laryngeal nerve in giraffes :boom:

# ? Nov 21, 2016 04:18

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

Synthbuttrange posted:

One Nation Senator Rod Culleton has fronted the High Court today, over whether he was a valid candidate at the last federal election.

He faced media after the directions hearing, telling reporters he had already won and he is "not mentally deranged at all" as he slowly turned into a corn cob

Ugh, corn cob, does that mean PHON is going to be government at the next election?

# ? Nov 21, 2016 05:02

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Probably

# ? Nov 21, 2016 05:07

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

hawaiian_robot posted:

I used to tutor a civil engineer's kids, used to see books about "debunking evolution" and climate skeptic stuff around the house, we had conversations about how the hypothesis of planets forming from a protoplanetary disk didn't make sense. Joke's on him I explained the truth of how horses evolved, and the recurrent laryngeal nerve in giraffes

I worked with a geotechnical engineering firm whose director was a young earth creationist and most the staff were too. I'm not sure how that place didn't collapse into a blackhole from such concentrated amounts of cognitive dissonance.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 05:08

Pocket Billiards: Aug 29, 2007; .

Mr Chips posted:

bingo

There are social science researchers doing research into why engineers, who are quite on the money when it comes to stuff like building power supplies or bridges that work, are so prone to conspiracy thinking can crackpottery when it comes to stuff outside of their discipline.

The field attracts people who think they're exceptional and like things to be black and white without nuance. Conspiratorial bollocks suits that rather nicely - usually it's something easily understood and by believing it you're smarter than everyone else who accepts the mainstream points of view.

It's why so many of them are libertarian. Learn some introductory macroeconomics and you're now an expert with an answer for every situation and you can consider yourself superior to people on the mainstream left and right.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 05:16

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Solemn Sloth posted:

I work with an engineer but he's an environmental sustainability engineer (one of the good ones)

environmental engineers are one end of the scale. the other end is software engineers (not even a real engineer mr speaker!)

speaking of mr speaker, dutton just confirmed in parliament that following in-depth phrenological analysis, the Lebanese are more inclined towards terrorism than the other races and must all be deported for the good of white australia

# ? Nov 21, 2016 06:13

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

BBJoey posted:

environmental engineers are one end of the scale. the other end is software engineers (not even a real engineer mr speaker!)

speaking of mr speaker, dutton just confirmed in parliament that following in-depth phrenological analysis, the Lebanese are more inclined towards terrorism than the other races and must all be deported for the good of white australia

Even the Christian Lebanese? Dude's a hard-liner.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 06:35

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

Nope, just them evil Moors.

quote:

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has suggested that the Fraser government made a mistake by resettling Lebanese refugees.

Mr Dutton last week stated that former prime minister Malcolm Fraser "did make mistakes in bringing some people in" as part of his immigration policies in the 1970s.

When pressed on those comments during Question Time today, Mr Dutton singled out people of Lebanese-Muslim background.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 06:40

TheMightyHandful: Dec 8, 2008

Gorilla Salad posted:

Nope, just them evil Moors.

Not even dog whistling, Mr Speaker, just plain ordinary whistling!

# ? Nov 21, 2016 07:12

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

Joe Hockey in particular was a mistake.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 07:18

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Federal Attorney-General George Brandis says the Liberal National Party in Queensland is 'very, very mediocre' and suggests the merger between the Coalition partners in the state may need to be reconsidered.

Senator Brandis was caught criticising the Queensland LNP on camera while speaking to The head of the Victorian Liberal Party, Michael Kroger, at its annual general meeting on Sunday.

Seemingly unaware of nearby microphones, Mr Kroger asks Senator Brandis; 'how are things in Queensland, how's Tim Nicholls going?'

'They're not very good...I'd say that the state opposition is very, very mediocre, and the state government is very, very mediocre but the thing that is alarming everyone is, as you would expect, the sudden spike in One Nation which is now at about 16 per cent,' Senator Brandis responds.

'One Nation as you know their strength is in heartland National Party seats, and heartland Labor Party seats, the old industrial seats around Ipswich and western Brisbane.' Senator Brandis says.

'I think there is every reason to believe that they will win quite a few seats in the state election.'

Senator Brandis also raised the prospect of demerging the Liberal and National Parties in his home state due to Labor reintroducing compulsory preferential voting.

'The Labor Party are bringing back compulsory preferential,' Senator Brandis says.

Mr Kroger responds saying; 'oh are they?'

'Yes they are, yes they are... which somewhat attacks the raison d'etre of the merger of the Liberal Party and National Party, I think there might be a revisiting of things as a result of compulsory preferential voting,' Senator Brandis responds.

'Well we prefer optional preferential,' Mr Kroger says.
- See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2016/11/21/qld-lnp-very-very-mediocre--brandis.html#sthash.SHNRgTZt.dpuf

# ? Nov 21, 2016 07:19

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Cartoon posted:

Joe Hockey in particular was a mistake.

Not from a comedian's point of view!

So yeah agreed.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 07:20

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Cartoon posted:

Joe Hockey in particular was a mistake.

This but unironically.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 07:24

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Federal Attorney-General George Brandis says the Liberal National Party in Queensland is 'very, very mediocre' and suggests the merger between the Coalition partners in the state may need to be reconsidered.

Senator Brandis was caught criticising the Queensland LNP on camera while speaking to The head of the Victorian Liberal Party, Michael Kroger, at its annual general meeting on Sunday.

Seemingly unaware of nearby microphones, Mr Kroger asks Senator Brandis; 'how are things in Queensland, how's Tim Nicholls going?'

'They're not very good...I'd say that the state opposition is very, very mediocre, and the state government is very, very mediocre but the thing that is alarming everyone is, as you would expect, the sudden spike in One Nation which is now at about 16 per cent,' Senator Brandis responds.

'One Nation as you know their strength is in heartland National Party seats, and heartland Labor Party seats, the old industrial seats around Ipswich and western Brisbane.' Senator Brandis says.

'I think there is every reason to believe that they will win quite a few seats in the state election.'

Senator Brandis also raised the prospect of demerging the Liberal and National Parties in his home state due to Labor reintroducing compulsory preferential voting.

'The Labor Party are bringing back compulsory preferential,' Senator Brandis says.

Mr Kroger responds saying; 'oh are they?'

'Yes they are, yes they are... which somewhat attacks the raison d'etre of the merger of the Liberal Party and National Party, I think there might be a revisiting of things as a result of compulsory preferential voting,' Senator Brandis responds.

'Well we prefer optional preferential,' Mr Kroger says.
- See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2016/11/21/qld-lnp-very-very-mediocre--brandis.html#sthash.SHNRgTZt.dpuf

LNP Coalition breaks down in QLD, Nationals enter into formal coalition with One Nation.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 07:30

adamantium|wang: Sep 14, 2003; Missing you

The One National Party

# ? Nov 21, 2016 09:08

Comstar: Apr 20, 2007; Are you happy now?

So Dutton went full out racist in Parliament.

Someone ask him how many LNP representatives have gone to jail or been found guilty of crimes in the last 30 years, and why is that so much a larger group of that population that Lebanese decadents who have been charged with terror related crimes?

We should deport all members of the LNP.

Also, how many QLD police have gone to jail in the same time period.

# ? Nov 21, 2016 09:30