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Fister Roboto posted:Nice. Just in case I'm understanding you right, Ramza's is NOT a free SB gauge RM. It's one that helps you build it faster when using attack or abilities.
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It's not a super optimal min/max use of your stamina, but if you really want to get a random RM to drop (and it doesn't drop from a specific realm), you can just run the first stage of the first realm dungeon (Zanarkand) over and over for 2 stamina. I've done several this way. Also you might know this already, but you have to have Cloud's second RM before Mako Might will drop, and it has a really specific drop criteria; check the Record Materia section of the Library for details.
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Nov 21, 2016 00:59
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Honestly, given how much power you get out of the major SB Materia(Mako/Mog, at least), I'd say it is a fairly optimal use of your Stamina. There very well could be times you may fail to clear +++/Ultimate/U+(depending on power level) that you wouldn't have done so if you had one/both of them-and the gain from even one such orb stash is worth burning a ton of stamina for, even if there's nothing else special on that fight(and there likely is).
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Nov 21, 2016 01:15
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bilperkins2 posted:Just in case I'm understanding you right, Ramza's is NOT a free SB gauge RM. It's one that helps you build it faster when using attack or abilities. For some reason I thought it was. So there's only two free gauge materias? Also do the ATK buffs stack additively or multiplicatively?
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Nov 21, 2016 02:12
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Only the two, and multiplicative I believe.
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Nov 21, 2016 02:14
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Bonus Battle report: If you have Bahamut these fights are a total joke, but any solid AOE option can probably do the job well enough. U+ and U++ both died in 3-4 turns.
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Nov 21, 2016 02:19
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Dark Dragon didn't do much besides cast that aoe every few turns, Flan Master was an rear end in a top hat who reflected himself and spammed aoe every single turn along with all the flans doing the same (gigas armlet does work) and  calcas + brinas was the biggest joke of a U++ I've seen yet
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Nov 21, 2016 03:36
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Sounds like Yang's Exploding Kick may be extremely useful for these Ultimates.
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Nov 21, 2016 03:42
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Oof, having decent mitigation was the toughest part of the bonus battles. Might have been better to use Wall, but not getting Edward's BSB didn't enable me to have native Boostga. 
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Nov 21, 2016 03:47
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Man Cecil's BSB is my white whale even if it's falling off in relevance but I think I'm gonna abstain from pulling. Onion Knight is on the way and I've got a handful of good BSBs. Still Pally Cecil is so useful on hard content aaaaa Maybe I'll wait to go real deep on another FF4 banner when Golbez's thing comes out.
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Nov 21, 2016 04:14
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Dollar Draw got me Palom's new SSB!  Holy, Fire and Lightning are all pretty common weaknesses and MAG/RES down will be great on any mage team.Also fulfills my goal of getting something for Palom and Porom (Medica + Hastega). Also got Eddie's Mage Shout and Golbez's SSB so I'm all set for FFIV twin mage meta.
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Nov 21, 2016 04:16
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100-gem was a 5*! ...off-banner Emerald Bracer (X) Dammit, this wasn't the banner I wanted my 14% chance to come through on, and certainly not for THAT.
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Nov 21, 2016 04:23
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Fister Roboto posted:Nice.
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Yeah you can pretty much just beat these Ultimates with good mitigation and a couple people swinging Dusk's Decree. Native skills not needed outside the basics, though I'm not sure how easy it'd be to do without the full Shellga/Wall/Sarabande suite. (Stumble Step sure helps.) Definitely not too hard, and definitely the easiest U++ yet. (The only real jump from Flan Master was somewhat more magic damage and a time limit, in practice. Like hell I'm fighting the manbaby doll.)
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pichupal posted:Dollar Draw got me Palom's new SSB! Got the same with my dollar! I've also got SSBs for Porom, so along with Rydia's BSB and Yang doing earth imperil I have a decent mage team for IV going if I RW Sheepsong.
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Dollar pull was... Cecil BSB. That's, uh, pretty good and I now have a SB weapon for my favorite protagonist. All my BSBS are holy: Cecil, Ramza, Locke, Beatrix. That's a pretty good team.
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Sega 32X posted:Dollar pull was... Cecil BSB. That's, uh, pretty good and I now have a SB weapon for my favorite protagonist. Oh hey, sort of on this subject. What do you get when you combine Shout, Cecil's BSB, and Beatrix's BSB? A lot of dead dolls in the U++. If they aren't weak to Holy already, fire off Knight Protector into the crowd and go ham with your holy AoEs. They'll keep spamming with weak attacks (as long as you get your defenses up), so basically free charge. That was a nice breeze compared to friggin' Atlas last week. Now if only I could pull off something similar with Atlas's drat arm. Definitely going to have to aim for Pecil's OSB. EnHoly + Burst + Overstrike = dead anything, practically.
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Character selection in multiplayer setup is going to be interesting. Traditionally there's this impasse where nobody wants to heal or play support and we all wait around waiting for somebody else to blink first, but the bragging angle of "Check out my 6* Artemis Bow, peasant" might mitigate that. I'll probably never get to use my fun offensive BSBs most of the time and just be stuck being the guy who brings Shout and the Medica/Magic Blink, but there's a quiet dignity there.
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SageAcrin posted:Native skills not needed outside the basics, though I'm not sure how easy it'd be to do without the full Shellga/Wall/Sarabande suite. (Stumble Step sure helps.) Doing the Cid's Mission with pretty poor synergy (only native 5*s I brought into the fight were a generic Gold Hairpin and Golbez' Ebon Armor), your not Dusk Decree users are pretty much dedicated to keeping everyone alive. I actually ran a triple healer setup - Rosa with Curaja, Fusoya with Curada, and Pecil with Curaga (he also had Magic Break for medals). Curada definitely pulled its weight here. I'd also go for command 1 over the AoE early on to make sure you kill Flan Master quickly; Ultimate Thundaga hurts, and the self-heal feature will also alleviate pressure from your healers. Once he's dead, just get AoE going, and make sure you have leftover abilities afterwards - I used up all my Bahamuts, a R1 Meteor, and two shots of Golbez's Nightglow.
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Dr Pepper posted:Protectga stacks with everything because it's a Status Effect rather then a Stat Buff. This isn't quite right. Protect is a +50% DEF stat buff just like any other stat buff, and doesn't stack with any other source of pure +DEF. Although I think every source says "grants Protect" instead of "raises Defence" apart from Enveloping Etude. EDIT - oh huh although it does apparently stack with Draw Fire's DEF buff, and with the Shield Bash/Steal Defense DEF buff. hit button fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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So...can Dusk's Decree or its command 1 be reflected? Because if not I think I know what I'm doing for the U+.
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Took down the dolls with mostly mage squad, but used Yang for earth imperil. Yang: Lifesiphon R4/Meteor Crush R2 (Earth imperil SSB) Rydia: Meltdown R1/Chain Stonega R2 (BSB) Krile: Bahamut R3/Chain Thundaga R2 (Sheepsong) Tyro: Meteor R4/Multi Break R2 (Keeper's Tome) Rosa: Wrath R4/Curada R1 (Divine Heal) RW: Sentinel's Grimoire Led off with Sheepsong, Keeper's Tome, and SG to get mitigation up and start nuking thereafter. Tyro was there to stick Multi Break followed by as many Meteor casts as possible. Krile focused entirely on using up Bahamut cats before popping another Sheepsong and working the Brinas down with Chain Thundaga. Yang got earth imperil up as soon as possible and Rydia proceeded to melt everything thereafter with her BSB and whatever her strongest available abilities were. I didnt take all the dolls down simultaneously, but I did knock them off fast enough before they could combine. Really fun that I ended up with Yang and Rydia's goodies and let me try an unorthodox start for the U++ for a change. Getting Paloma and Porom's relics made them handy in the U and U+ fights as well. Hopefully I can grab Kain's BSB off the lucky draw on Friday. But now I am ready for OK.
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:So...can Dusk's Decree or its command 1 be reflected? Because if not I think I know what I'm doing for the U+. Omega didn't bounce it for me
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hit button posted:This isn't quite right. Protect is a +50% DEF stat buff just like any other stat buff, and doesn't stack with any other source of pure +DEF. Although I think every source says "grants Protect" instead of "raises Defence" apart from Enveloping Etude. Protectga literally is a status effect and will absolutely stack with pure +Def buffs. It even ignores the buff-stacking caps. Or to get technical, pure DEF buffs like from Bartz' Trueblade of Legend is status ID 604, while Protect is the unique ID 207. Also, Protect is a 100% def buff, so it doubles your defense.
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Schwartzcough posted:Protectga literally is a status effect and will absolutely stack with pure +Def buffs. It even ignores the buff-stacking caps. Or to get technical, pure DEF buffs like from Bartz' Trueblade of Legend is status ID 604, while Protect is the unique ID 207. The same is also true of Shell, (and, though it doesn't actually matter Haste). If it can be cleared by a normal dispel, it will stack with the effects that can't, is an okay way to think of it if you have trouble keeping track. Alternately, just remember that Protect Shell and Haste stack with everything that isn't a second casting of protect shell and haste, and that they "don't count" when determining what the other stat buffs on an effect (the attack on shout, or the +res that is on Echo's SSB along with shell) will stack with.
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:So...can Dusk's Decree or its command 1 be reflected? Because if not I think I know what I'm doing for the U+. The entry can't be reflected. Command 1 can be, but since the entry can't be, you have a turn to get a banishing strike up. (Alternately, just use command 2 which is AE and also can't be reflected. You give up the self heal though.)
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Nov 21, 2016 10:39
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Dollar pulled the Lamia Harp. Seems like it's good for support for a knight team. I would use it for Dark Dragon but haven't leveled Edgar up past 50 and I'm trying to save growth eggs for OK. I was close to beating it but it caught me by surprise with Dark Breath. I misunderstood what Dark Breath did, I thought it was another gravity type attack, so I wasn't prepared when he killed two of my DPS units when he had about 1/4 health left. Just couldn't finish the job after that.
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CaptainPsyko posted:just remember that Protect Shell and Haste stack with everything that isn't a second casting of protect shell and haste. I'd agree with this if Enveloping Etude and Spellbend Etude said "grants protect/shell" instead of "raises defense/resistance". Ultimately it seems you're pretty much stuck checking datamined buff ids rather than being able to consistently work stuff out from ingame descriptions.
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hit button posted:I'd agree with this if Enveloping Etude and Spellbend Etude said "grants protect/shell" instead of "raises defense/resistance". Ultimately it seems you're pretty much stuck checking datamined buff ids rather than being able to consistently work stuff out from ingame descriptions. Enveloping Etude and Spellbend Etude grant protect and shell. That they don't have the same description as protect and shell is basically another case of DENA is sloppy and lovely st translating this stuff.
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Question for goons playing the Japanese version: Do any bosses start resisting imperil effects? I just realized how much mithril I put into trying to get solid imperil teams and I would be screwed if they started getting phased out.
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CaptainPsyko posted:The entry can't be reflected. Command 1 can be, but since the entry can't be, you have a turn to get a banishing strike up. Also, a tip for anyone going after calcabrina: RW Dagger of Resolve—the command AoE is better than Dusk's Decree, 4,00 vs 3,14, not to mention a much more useful AoE opener—on your two strongest casters, bring a faithga, and enjoy. I mastered it with zero medal loss this way with no hastega, wall, or medica used. (I brought wall and a medica but never had to use them.)
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Yeah okay, those bonus battles were pretty easy. I even accidentally killed the Flans and watched Flan Master revive them, had enough hones to kill them all again and still got full medals. The dolls were whatever, AOE's all day and they never got a chance to transform. Guess I don't have to pull on the FF4 banners after all. Now back to figuring out when I should actually sit down and learn the gimmicks for these uncleared dogshit Nightmares.
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:Question for goons playing the Japanese version: Do any bosses start resisting imperil effects? I just realized how much mithril I put into trying to get solid imperil teams and I would be screwed if they started getting phased out. They don't, in fact Imperil becomes even more useful going forward, as D200/250 bosses start having only 50% weaknesses instead of 100%. This means that they can be affected by Imperil for a 70% bonus damage from their weaknesses.
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Kinda fun bonus battles, Mage Meta reigns supreme for a change. Ult + and Ult ++ are basically Summoning Nightmare MK III. If you have the hones, the fights are a joke.
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I just had a last minute smash at the FF13 U++. Had some issues initially with serah bursts, forgot slowga etc. Second attempt ended up going RW Maria's song, and bursting down with Maria's BSB. Maria meta is legit
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Picked up my first MC2 from this event. Should I just go ahead and use this on Cloud to go for Mako Might? I don't have anything for Tyro, but I do have Cloud's OSB so right this second he feels like the better choice. Unless Cloud has a shot at his second memory crystal coming up some time soon?
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Wilekat posted:Picked up my first MC2 from this event. Should I just go ahead and use this on Cloud to go for Mako Might? I don't have anything for Tyro, but I do have Cloud's OSB so right this second he feels like the better choice. He doesn't, so go ahead and drop it on Cloud. Tyro might be versatile, but he won't do a lot for you without one of his SBs unless you really need that specific ability setup.
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Ya'll with your fancy pants BSBs. The dolls take so long to combine I managed to kill them all almost entirely with R4 Ixion, R2 Tornado Strike, and R3 Meteor, with an R2 Stumble Step to soften them up. Best equipment was all 6*+++; I have two IV relics but chose not to bring either character (Kain's Blood Lance and Golbez's Ebon Armor). I brought Vincent and his SSB but by the time he got to use it half the dolls were dead anyway.
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If you have Ashe BSB set as your RW, please don't forget to gear it for IV synergy for this event, or with +lightning gear if you don't have mage stuff for IV.
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Grozz Nuy posted:If you have Ashe BSB set as your RW, please don't forget to gear it for IV synergy for this event, or with +lightning gear if you don't have mage stuff for IV. Hmmm.... 462 with 2x small lightning boosts, or 517 with none? Mine is set for the latter.
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