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I'm sure some people will handwave away all complaints about Zoom because "he's crazy". He can be crazy and poorly written.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:I'm sure some people will handwave away all complaints about Zoom because "he's crazy". Or crazily poor written!  I'm willing to write off his actions as excusable due to crazy, but the execution can't be. Everything made sense on paper: Kidnap hero, pretend to be hero, betray team to drain Barry's speed, make your move once he's depowered, take over Earth 1 with evil meta army, well gently caress while we're at it lets destroy all other Earths because I'm a crazy sumbitch that thinks it makes me more important Even the thing with Caitlyn makes sense, since she showed actually genuine concern for his well being, which he never had as a child. Especially when you find out he has Killer Frost locked up too, which is...kind of creepy when you think about it. It's just the execution was so goddamn bad and tortured that it took a good, if not original, story and turned it into a giant chunk of SFIAGES. A little of that is to be expected and even fun, but man they overdid it and wrecked the pacing of the back half of the season as a result.
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Nov 21, 2016 07:59
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He didn't lock up KF until she betrayed him.
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Nov 21, 2016 12:48
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Zoom's plan of having a Jay in Earth 1 and then killing him was just dumb.
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Nov 21, 2016 13:50
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FactsAreUseless posted:Every single action Zoom takes makes his motivation less and less clear. Why an army of metahumans? And what were that one guy in the back in the zoot suit's powers?! irlZaphod posted:Zoom's plan of having a Jay in Earth 1 and then killing him was just dumb. The Jeyes are the men who will not be blamed for nothing. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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Nov 21, 2016 14:41
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Why do anything that Zoom did if he's just gonna destroy the world? Sorry, the multiverse. Which, way to shoot yourself in the foot, show. It's kind of hard to escalate from the threat of "Annihilation of everything possible and impossible across all worlds and timelines." Thawne wasn't even really a threat to Central City, he was mostly a threat to Barry specifically. They skipped threat to the city, threat to the world, AND threat to the universe and went straight for omniversal eradication. Nowhere to go from here but down.
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Nov 21, 2016 15:28
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Just to be clear, Zoom didn't have a double the whole time. He was posing as Jay himself for a while, the double only came when necessary.
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Nov 21, 2016 16:43
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I still think the time remnant is a great idea, especially when your family and friends are threatened. Barry should have a room at STAR where he keeps backups of everybody for just such occasions.
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Nov 21, 2016 16:53
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When you go back in time the old you dissolves and you replace them in the timeline, unless you're planning to go forward in time again, in which case the old you sticks around, right? But if you go forward in time, there's just two yous there indefinitely
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Nov 21, 2016 16:59
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Guy Goodbody posted:When you go back in time the old you dissolves and you replace them in the timeline, unless you're planning to go forward in time again, in which case the old you sticks around, right? Maybe it's like Futurama and the temporal double is doomed to die horribly?
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Guy Goodbody posted:When you go back in time the old you dissolves and you replace them in the timeline, unless you're planning to go forward in time again, in which case the old you sticks around, right? SPEED FORCE
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Nov 21, 2016 18:05
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They really need to tone down on the "plinky plonky" music when new Wells (or other character) is doing something whacky. In fact can we just get that thing expunged from all TV? - we know when characters are doing something silly or amusing, as the actors are acting it out in front of us, we don't need some poo poo trope music spelling it out.
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Nov 22, 2016 00:33
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You know the best part about Flashpoint? It means Zoom will probably be back some day! 
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enraged_camel posted:You know the best part about Flashpoint? It means Zoom will probably be back some day! Zoom became Black Racer so prolly not.
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Mr Beens posted:They really need to tone down on the "plinky plonky" music when new Wells (or other character) is doing something whacky. In fact can we just get that thing expunged from all TV? - we know when characters are doing something silly or amusing, as the actors are acting it out in front of us, we don't need some poo poo trope music spelling it out. Same, but scenes that are heroic, sad or intended to strongly evoke a particular emotion.
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I like music that evokes appropriate emotions. 
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Scyantific posted:Zoom became Black Racer so prolly not. Black Flash. 
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Fuckin Trump Riot posted:Black Flash.
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I just rewatched the last episode, and man... the villain of the week got completely sidelined in favor of the Wally/Alchemy plot. I mean, I don't think he even got to say a single word. We didn't hear his backstory or anything like with Magenta.
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FactsAreUseless posted:I think they call him Kid Flash in this one. Badum~tish.
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enraged_camel posted:I just rewatched the last episode, and man... the villain of the week got completely sidelined in favor of the Wally/Alchemy plot. I mean, I don't think he even got to say a single word. We didn't hear his backstory or anything like with Magenta. I actually found that kind of a refreshing way to mix it up, have the VoW defeated approx 30 minutes in and then get on with the season plot. It sucks that it happened to Shade instead of someone like generic sand guy or generic lava guy or any various guys from last season. But hey, since Barry is now actually keeping his villains alive in this timeline, maybe they will juice him up and bring him back? Or hell, didn't H.R. mention that his universe had a villain named Shade? Maybe they will give us a proper Shade from there.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:23
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The best villain defeat is still Rainbow Raider.
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Guy A. Person posted:Or hell, didn't H.R. mention that his universe had a villain named Shade? Maybe they will give us a proper Shade from there. He also mentioned intelligent gorillas!
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Guy A. Person posted:I actually found that kind of a refreshing way to mix it up, have the VoW defeated approx 30 minutes in and then get on with the season plot. It sucks that it happened to Shade instead of someone like generic sand guy or generic lava guy or any various guys from last season.
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Just once, I would like to see Cisco spitefully deny someone a nickname because they are boring or they've already been done.  "Oh, boy, here comes Generic Speedster Number 47." "MY NAME IS SPEED DEMO--" "Oh, sorry Number 47, were you saying something? I fell asleep because of how generic you are."
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Nov 23, 2016 00:53
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Can't wait to see whose life Barry snuffs out/ruins tonight. 
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Nov 23, 2016 01:56
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Savitar is the fastest way through their special effects budget
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Nov 23, 2016 02:03
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Joe, you have three skills, don't forget your fabulous voice.
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Yeahhh better not open that up now unless they want a helping of some Wally soup Edit: Joe's got your nose!
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Nov 23, 2016 02:08
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Ledded Goh
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Nov 23, 2016 02:15
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I appreciate Barry punching the kid from Harry Poter.
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Nov 23, 2016 02:19
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God dammit Cisco, didn't we already go through this earlier this season
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Mr. Funktastic posted:God dammit Cisco, didn't we already go through this earlier this season Yah but I don't mind watching them acting off each other.
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Iris has really come into her own as a character this season.
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Nov 23, 2016 02:39
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I'm enjoying Caitlin calling out Barry as the true villain.
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Nov 23, 2016 02:40
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Julian also has a point Everyone's criticisms of Barry are valid tbh
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Nov 23, 2016 02:56
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Uh yes Iris, Julian is correct about Barry.
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Nov 23, 2016 02:58
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Eat poo poo, Barry.
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Surprise surprise
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 of course he was alchemy
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