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FilthyImp posted:While Newsom is a serviceable politician and liberal-enough, his Replicant demeanor means no one is fired up about him. https://web.archive.org/web/20060506211308/http://www.thewavemag.com/pagegen.php?pagename=article&articleid=24031 Still one of my favorite articles ever.
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GrandpaPants posted:https://web.archive.org/web/20060506211308/http://www.thewavemag.com/pagegen.php?pagename=article&articleid=24031 I was rereading it yesterday, so good.
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I have a California law question. Last year we got mandated sick pay. How does this work with vacation pay since vacation pay isn't a right? If I get sick for a day, can they just take a vacation day from me instead of using sick pay? I'm assuming the answer is yes, because whatever answer fucks the worker is probably the correct one.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:I have a California law question. Last year we got mandated sick pay. How does this work with vacation pay since vacation pay isn't a right? If I get sick for a day, can they just take a vacation day from me instead of using sick pay? I'm assuming the answer is yes, because whatever answer fucks the worker is probably the correct one. FilthyImp posted:The new liberalism is basically "Can I get *excited* about this candidate".
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Nov 21, 2016 22:53
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Aeka 2.0 posted:I have a California law question. Last year we got mandated sick pay. How does this work with vacation pay since vacation pay isn't a right? If I get sick for a day, can they just take a vacation day from me instead of using sick pay? I'm assuming the answer is yes, because whatever answer fucks the worker is probably the correct one. Do be sure to get all your bosses sick when you have to come in due to lack of sick leave balance
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Vacation needs to be requested at least a day in advance. Sick time doesn't usually need advance notice and my boss could ask for a Doctor's note if he wanted, but nobody does that unless it's a problematic employee. I accrue sick and vacation time at different rates. All this is in my MOU. And no you can't just take vacation if you call in sick and don't have the hours, you take leave without pay.
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Nov 21, 2016 23:57
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Yeah, everywhere I've ever worked with sick days had them as a separate counter. If you called in sick you lost a sick day, otherwise you'd have to schedule time off as normal. If you were out of sick days and you had to call in sick, then it was a day off without pay. You couldn't schedule a sick day ahead of time.
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FilthyImp posted:The new liberalism is basically "Can I get *excited* about this candidate". Sick and vacation day distinctions are annoying and can put people in awkward positions.
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I just looked up my State Senate race to see if it's been called yet, and right now the Democratic candidate is trailing by 187 votes. If he wins, the democrats will have a supermajority in the both the Assembly and the Senate. Holy poo poo.
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Instant Sunrise posted:I just looked up my State Senate race to see if it's been called yet, and right now the Democratic candidate is trailing by 187 votes. If he wins, the democrats will have a supermajority in the both the Assembly and the Senate. That's pretty tight. Here's hoping. Last thing California needs right now is Republicans gumming up the works on the state level too.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:That's pretty tight. Here's hoping. Last thing California needs right now is Republicans gumming up the works on the state level too. Chang has a lead from the part of the district in San Bernadino county (also she's from Diamond Bar, so...). Orange County and Los Angeles County voted more favorable towards Newman, and the ballots left to count are in Los Angeles.  Also I know for a fact that in Orange County, Chang didn't even bother submitting a candidate statement for the county-level voter guide & sample ballot. I did get a shitload of mailers from some SuperPAC funded by the oil and gas industry trying to compare Newman to Trump WRT "locker room talk" though
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Instant Sunrise posted:Chang has a lead from the part of the district in San Bernadino county (also she's from Diamond Bar, so...). Orange County and Los Angeles County voted more favorable towards Newman, and the ballots left to count are in Los Angeles. Yay Diamond Bar!! We're only kind of a scummy piece of poo poo cesspool of greed and corruption.
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Nov 22, 2016 02:27
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Instant Sunrise posted:He also got his start on the statewide political map by telling San Francisco city hall to issue marriage licenses to gay couples as a gently caress you to Prop 22. I don't really have a problem with this.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I don't really have a problem with this. Yeah, but it was a motivater for pro-Prop 8 people because it looked arrogant.
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Lycus posted:Yeah, but it was a motivater for pro-Prop 8 people because it looked arrogant. Given Trump's election is largely seen as a failure of Clinton to inspire, I'll take nakedly, unapologetically liberal arrogance.
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Lycus posted:Yeah, but it was a motivater for pro-Prop 8 people because it looked arrogant. Homophobic assholes are going to vote how they vote. Standing up for LGBT people like that is a point in his favor to me, not against. I don't give a flying gently caress if Republicans think he's arrogant.
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Cryogenically freeze Jerry Brown and thaw him out in 4 years. Moonbeam 2020.
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themrguy posted:Cryogenically freeze Jerry Brown and thaw him out in 4 years. He's not perfect. His aggressive vendetta against education funding is not great.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:He's not perfect. Oh shoot, well in that case I guess we'd better just give up then
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Progressive JPEG posted:Oh shoot, well in that case I guess we'd better just give up then I'm just saying I'm not going to romantically entertain the thought of keeping him in charge forever. He was the governor we needed, not the one we deserve.
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People here always complain about direct democracy but the 2016 results for California seem mostly good? Are laws from propositions actually worse on average than laws from legislators?
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Cicero posted:People here always complain about direct democracy but the 2016 results for California seem mostly good? Are laws from propositions actually worse on average than laws from legislators? Except for the death penalty ones.
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Cicero posted:People here always complain about direct democracy but the 2016 results for California seem mostly good? Are laws from propositions actually worse on average than laws from legislators? We tend to vote on lower taxes, but we will still vote for things that require funding.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Homophobic assholes are going to vote how they vote. Standing up for LGBT people like that is a point in his favor to me, not against. I don't give a flying gently caress if Republicans think he's arrogant. Newsom might be a slimy and a career politician, but I'll never be more grateful that a liberal politician got off their rear end and fought for something progressive not giving a drat that less than 57% of the people supported it. Prop 8 passed, but the gay marriage ball was rolling and picking up speed. Gavin's cool in my book. GrandpaPants posted:https://web.archive.org/web/20060506211308/http://www.thewavemag.com/pagegen.php?pagename=article&articleid=24031  After that election, I was out drinking and ran into him. Really nice guy. Miss Nomer fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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themrguy posted:Cryogenically freeze Jerry Brown and thaw him out in 4 years. we seriously need some Futurama head-in-a-jar technology immediately for that man also my primary problem with Gavin Newsom is he gives me the impression that he shits perfect little ivory cubes. the man comes off as completely artificial in every way. e. do you like huey lewis and the newsom? paranoid randroid fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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Prop 8 passed in no small part due to out of state Mormon money flooding into the campaign for it. There were also tons of bullshit articles about priests being forced to gay marry people that scared a lot of gullible religious voters. None of that was Gavin Newsom's fault and it's absurd to blame a proponent of gay marriage for a backlash against gay marriage. That said, I really hope Newsom doesn't run for president, because he'd pull a lot of support from party insiders and party establishment, but he would not win. He is young and attractive but also comes off as incredibly fake, like a wax doll of a person being operated by remote control, with the Gettys pulling the levers behind a curtain somewhere nearby. Kamala Harris would be a better candidate, if we're gonna promote a California democrat as a presidential option. But strategically, the party needs to select a candidate from an important swing state like Florida or Ohio or I guess Pennsylvania is a swing state now, not a solidly blue state like new york or california that is going to go for the D candidate no matter what. And, the candidate needs to have credibility as a reformer, because "kick the bums out (except our bum)" is always the most effective narrative.
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Kobayashi posted:Given Trump's election is largely seen as a failure of Clinton to inspire, I'll take nakedly, unapologetically liberal arrogance. Leperflesh posted:It's absurd to blame a proponent of gay marriage for a backlash against gay marriage. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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Leperflesh posted:But strategically, the party needs to select a candidate from an important swing state like Florida or Ohio or I guess Pennsylvania is a swing state now, not a solidly blue state like new york or california that is going to go for the D candidate no matter what. And, the candidate needs to have credibility as a reformer, because "kick the bums out (except our bum)" is always the most effective narrative. I don't think it matters which state they're from as long as they inspire the base. Warren/Duckworth 2020
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Obama showed the whole strategic geographic candidate thing is over. We could denominate Gore, but he's not going to win Tennessee. What we need is a decent, charismatic candidate with whom people can empathize and who people think is on their side. It's my humble opinion that trump won primarily on his talking about the negative repercussions of trade on the industrial workers of the rust belt, poo poo that really should have been democratic red meat if but for the fact that our candidate was Hillary Clinton and her name and nafta are linked.
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I think Trump won primarily because Hillary has been a target of right-wing hatred and lies for 15 years, and it stuck. She lacks the charisma to overcome that, and her deeply ingrained (and totally justified) distrust of the media feeds into her inability to seem genuine on camera. Democratic turnout was abysmally low so Trump won, because actually almost everyone just votes along party lines. Trump picked up some nominally blue (but not really) states on the basis of his anti-open-trade arguments, but that's not why he won the key swing states like Florida. Check out the table in this post: http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2016/Pres/Maps/Nov21.html#item-1 All of the "surprise" states that Trump won are actually pretty red states. The democrats win them when turnout is good and lose them when turnout is poor, and Hillary was too hated to get good democratic turnout. Obama got out the vote of his base, so he won by large margins. I don't think that completely invalidates strategic geographic candidacy, though: we really haven't tried that. Tennessee isn't a strategic state because it's not a swing state and also not worth much EVs. Florida is: a candidate with a good reputation in Florida would be a killer candidate, provided the more important things you pointed out were there too: charisma, youth, projection of a genuine personality, etc. I don't think either major party is good at nurturing and promoting good candidates from within, any more. Obama was not the party insider choice, and Trump sure as hell wasn't his party's leadership's preference either. Then again, it's always our habit to look at what happened in the recent past and project that forward, when it's likely that in four (or god forbid eight) years, the situation will be new and different, the national conversation will be focused on something else, and some other factors we can't predict today will become the most paramount. Free trade agreements were not an important part of the national discussion four years ago.
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Where can I find the results to Riverside's Measure O and Z? I can only find what is shown as "CC" but that wasn't on my ballot.
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Press enterprise says they both passed. Also whattup fellow rivergoon. Mission inn! Wood streets! Uhhh, yeah!
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Where can I find the results to Riverside's Measure O and Z? I can only find what is shown as "CC" but that wasn't on my ballot. Riverside County Registrar of Voters Measure O (Riverside USD) YES: 69.57% NO: 30.43% Measure Z (City of Riverside) YES: 58.42% NO: 41.58% edit: also i guess there was a recall election in the yorba linda water district and two of the board members got recalled. Instant Sunrise fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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And yet Michael J. Beverage has been allowed to continue his reign of terror.
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Dead Reckoning posted:He's basically Kim Davis, except you happen to agree with him. Yes, that's exactly it, thank you. It's really telling that you think support for gay marriage is a matter of "happening to agree with it." The world is a better place when good people stand up for what's right, and America would be a better country if horrible people like Kim Davis weren't the only ones with a spine. Democrats didn't lose the election because Clinton was arrogant, they lost it because people didn't believe she would really fight for them.
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Instant Sunrise posted:Riverside County Registrar of Voters I'm actually surprised.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Yes, that's exactly it, thank you. It's really telling that you think support for gay marriage is a matter of "happening to agree with it." The world is a better place when good people stand up for what's right, and America would be a better country if horrible people like Kim Davis weren't the only ones with a spine. Democrats didn't lose the election because Clinton was arrogant, they lost it because people didn't believe she would really fight for them.  I'll note in your second sentence there you mean "people who agree with me" when you say "good people" and when you say "stand up for what's right" you actually mean "do things I agree with", and when you say "horrible people" you mean "people who disagree with you." Whether or not someone agrees with gay marriage is a matter of personal belief. Whether or not an elected official faithfully follows the law is not. Mayors and county clerks both have a responsibility to follow the law as it is, not as they wish it was.
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Dead Reckoning posted:"Defiance of the law is a moral imperative when I don't like the law, otherwise it is reprehensible." - Defiance of the law is not in itself reprehensible or laudable. The intentions with which you undergo it, are. Again, it's very telling that you boil this down to "what do I agree with or disagree with." Agreeing with gay marriage is not a matter of personal belief. It's a matter of exerting authoritarian influence over others based on backwards, conservative moral systems. Kim Davis is not a bad person because she refused to do what she was told. She is a bad person because she refused to do so based on ugly and dehumanizing reasons. This dates back to the civil rights era, you simpleton. People have no "responsibility" to follow Jim Crow laws merely because they are laws. The point of laws, and government in general, is to serve and protect the populace. When it fails to do so, there is no honor in continuing to follow it blindly, there is only honor in fighting it. You can attempt to boil this down to a simple matter of opinion all you want, but I reject it wholeheartedly, and you're a smug, stupid prick.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:It's a matter of exerting authoritarian influence over others
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Defiance of the law is not in itself reprehensible or laudable. The intentions with which you undergo it, are. Cup Runneth Over posted:Again, it's very telling that you boil this down to "what do I agree with or disagree with." Agreeing with gay marriage is not ap matter of personal belief. It's a matter of exerting authoritarian influence over others based on backwards, conservative moral systems. Kim Davis is not a bad person because she refused to do what she was told. She is a bad person because she refused to do so based on ugly and dehumanizing reasons. This dates back to the civil rights era, you simpleton. People have no "responsibility" to follow Jim Crow laws merely because they are laws. The point of laws, and government in general, is to serve and protect the populace. When it fails to do so, there is no honor in continuing to follow it blindly, there is only honor in fighting it. You can attempt to boil this down to a simple matter of opinion all you want, but I reject it wholeheartedly, and you're a smug, stupid prick. Becoming a government official means accepting a responsibility to execute the law irrespective of your personal feelings about it, because not everyone agrees with every law and civilization is about agreeing to follow a set of common rules. It turns out that the proper role of government in respecting competing rights and interests while guaranteeing the security of its citizens has been a contentious topic for the whole of human history, so maybe you should take a step back from declaring that you, personally have deduced the one true answer.
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