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Praseodymi posted:Hahahaha, good one. Like, I know we get the whole miltarism thing as well, but I don't think i've ever seen anyone wandering around in their dress blues with people going "thank u 4 ur service" like you see in the USA. Maybe if you live in Royal Wootton Basset or something?
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Is people pretending to have won medals in combat really a thing that happens? Even their own report said that actual evidence of this happening, and its frequency, is pretty patchy.
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Ewan posted:#betterambassadorthanfarage is trending right now
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tooterfish posted:Because hashtags had such a positive effect on the EU referendum and US presidential election. Don't worry, there will be a change dot org petition any day now.
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MikeCrotch posted:Like, I know we get the whole miltarism thing as well, but I don't think i've ever seen anyone wandering around in their dress blues with people going "thank u 4 ur service" like you see in the USA. Maybe if you live in Royal Wootton Basset or something? I saw some bloke in a hoody go up to shake the hands of the unformed people selling poppies in Manchester. Didn't even buy one.
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Pesmerga posted:I don't think that's what it's about, based on the following report. Furthermore, those acts would already constitute fraud, there wouldn't be a need for an additional specific offence. It's basically pointless shite from an idiot. Oh yeah, I meant it's loving ridiculous that we do it. Especially because it's usually 80 year old men, or the mentally ill.
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Russia should just hurry up & invade us, just get over all the intermediate stages where we wonder if we're going to become properly authoritarian and jump straight to it. The intermediate stages give false hope that it could be stopped. That's bad.Darth Walrus posted:Oh, hey, didn't see anyone mention that the government's trying to make it mandatory to have two forms of ID to access NHS healthcare... and will start trials of the proposal in immigrant-heavy areas. This is sure making me glad that health is a devolved matter. Wish more things were devolved. Like foreign policy. And taxation. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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Darth Walrus posted:Oh, hey, didn't see anyone mention that the government's trying to make it mandatory to have two forms of ID to access NHS healthcare... and will start trials of the proposal in immigrant-heavy areas. You already need two forms of ID to register with a GP and get an appointment that way. So I guess this applies to A&E then? What a great situation
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38064664quote:Nigel Farage has accused Downing Street of putting its dislike of him ahead of the national interest after No 10 dismissed Donald Trump's comment that he could be a "great" ambassador.
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I would put my dislike of Nigel Farage above things like food, shelter and oxygen, let alone the national interest.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Is people pretending to have won medals in combat really a thing that happens? Just yesterday I was watching a programme on TV about a chap called Lovejoy and a man was pretending to have served in the RAF and had won the DFC.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:But you don't want ambassadors that are chummy with the other side do you? You want them to contain barely concealed contempt, that they work through professionally. Yeah it'd make more sense if Farage was the US ambassador to here.
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MikeCrotch posted:You already need two forms of ID to register with a GP and get an appointment that way. So I guess this applies to A&E then? What a great situation As far as I can tell you already need to show ID if hospital staff suspect you might be a  foreign national: Patients must show passport to use NHS or pay more than £2,000 in 'health tourism' crackdownIndy, 2015 posted:Foreign women could be charged more than £2,000 to give birth in a NHS hospital as part of a government crackdown on “health tourism”. There doesn't seem to have been any comment from the Labour party on this policy at the time, so I'm sure it's a perfectly reasonable policy and there's no grounds to criticise it… quote:A think tank warned last year that the charges would put the British public at increased risk from infectious diseases, including HIV, because vulnerable migrants would be discouraged from seeking treatment.
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It's fun to see politicians all over the globe furiously backtrack on all the poo poo they've been giving the now most powerful man in the world. It's like one of those fights where everyone on one side thinks they've got it in the bag, so they trash talk like gently caress, only to go quiet once their main man gets dropped with one punch. All of a sudden no one wants any trouble, fighting is silly guys lets start acting like grown ups.
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Darth Walrus posted:Oh, hey, didn't see anyone mention that the government's trying to make it mandatory to have two forms of ID to access NHS healthcare... and will start trials of the proposal in immigrant-heavy areas. “We are looking at whether more trusts should go down that route, as has been done in London and elsewhere, on people having to prove their identity,” he said. “And whether that is proportionate – whether in just some places or whether you want to apply it to the whole country. “Those are the questions that we are looking at.” Mr Wormald said the Government had yet to decide whether it was “proportionate” to ask every patient seeking treatment for identification. EDIT: The Telegraph article has some interesting/grim (and not entirely surprising) stats. (Not related to this particular issue but thought I'd paste them anyway) State of the NHS | Poll of health service leaders Service changes that are likely or planned in the next 12-18 months: Closing or downgrading community hospitals 52% Overall reduction in inpatient beds 46% Elective services centralised to central site 44 % Closing/downgrading full A&E 31% Closing urgent care centre or similar 30% Overall reduction in staff in acute services 23% One or more hospitals stopping inpatient paediatrics 23% One or more hospitals stopping consultant-led maternity 21% Likely significant barriers to the success of your sustainability and transformation plans: Lack of capital funding 74% Lack of revenue funding 72% Political opposition 60% Inability to control demand 52% GP opposition or resistance to changes 40% Ewan fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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tooterfish posted:It's fun to see politicians all over the globe furiously backtrack on all the poo poo they've been giving the now most powerful man in the world. In a rare moment of good (fortunate) judgement, May managed to be diplomatic about Trump before the election.
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tooterfish posted:It's fun to see politicians all over the globe furiously backtrack on all the poo poo they've been giving the now most powerful man in the world. I have no idea what you're talking about https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/798552151907827712
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XMNN posted:Christ I loving hate this piece of poo poo world
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I don't feel as much personal responsibility for the world at large though , familiarity breeds contempt and all that Turning nhs staff into border guards to keep out those filthy loving foreigners is a great idea IMHO I'm sure it is based on detailed statistical analysis demonstrating the probable rate at which we don't recoup costs from foreign patients (because we already do charge them) and the money which could be saved and all the implications for people entitled to use it for free and the impact on public health and lol
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MikeCrotch posted:Like, I know we get the whole miltarism thing as well, but I don't think i've ever seen anyone wandering around in their dress blues with people going "thank u 4 ur service" like you see in the USA. Maybe if you live in Royal Wootton Basset or something? Dress blues no but there's a lot of squaddies wandering around in camo which tapers off the further you get from Catterick. I worked over there once and half the shop looked like a barracks. Last time I saw that reported his name was given as "Whigmore" which I thought was very hortative. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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OwlFancier posted:Dress blues no but there's a lot of squaddies wandering around in camo which tapers off the further you get from Catterick. You understand why this would be the case in Catterick though, right?
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Pissflaps posted:You understand why this would be the case in Catterick though, right? Well yes, do Americans just wear it for fun everywhere? People wandering around in uniform as a concept is just kind of normal with living not too far from there.
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XMNN posted:I don't feel as much personal responsibility for the world at large though , familiarity breeds contempt and all that The committee heard that Britain has paid £4.3 million towards treatment for Britons in Poland – but received just £1.5 million for the cost of treating Poles in NHS hospitals. Yeah great, but this has no context. Maybe they only received £1.5million of healthcare and so paid everything due? Comparing it to how much the UK paid is a complete red herring too. The only statistic that would be relevant would be something along the lines of "The UK received £1.5million for the cost of treating Poles. The total cost of health care eligible for recouping costs provided to Poles in the same period is estimated at £10million". And even then, the estimates would be wildly speculative. Ewan fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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OwlFancier posted:Well yes, do Americans just wear it for fun everywhere? People wandering around in uniform as a concept is just kind of normal with living not too far from there. I think that's what he's saying happens yes, which is a bit different to actual troops in uniform on the biggest army base in the country.
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tooterfish posted:It's fun to see politicians all over the globe furiously backtrack on all the poo poo they've been giving the now most powerful man in the world. Problem is he's not the most powerful man in the world. He's a chump. The actual leaders are people like Pence, a man who has repressed his sexuality to the point where he wants to torture the gay out of others, and Bannon, an actual Nazi who also thinks he's Darth Vader and Satan while also claiming to follow judeo-christian philosophy. Trump is an idiot who inherited his wealth. He's not insane. He's dumb. The actual rulers of the world are insane bigots who would be murdering people in woods if they didn't get a job in politics.
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Pissflaps posted:I think that's what he's saying happens yes, which is a bit different to actual troops in uniform on the biggest army base in the country. Some of them might not be troops, Pissflaps.
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OwlFancier posted:Some of them might not be troops, Pissflaps. You think some might just be pretending?
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MikeCrotch posted:Like, I know we get the whole miltarism thing as well, but I don't think i've ever seen anyone wandering around in their dress blues with people going "thank u 4 ur service" like you see in the USA. Maybe if you live in Royal Wootton Basset or something? You don't see this in the us, except for obvious holidays. Regarde Aduck posted:Problem is he's not the most powerful man in the world. He's a chump. The actual leaders are people like Pence, a man who has repressed his sexuality to the point where he wants to torture the gay out of others, and Bannon, an actual Nazi who also thinks he's Darth Vader and Satan while also claiming to follow judeo-christian philosophy. Lol.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Second's from mass produced steel all the way up to the 'digital revolution' isn't it? Eh, everyone's got a different definition, because ultimately it's tens of thousands of disparate inventions that influenced each other to a greater or lesser extent. It's not like we signed a treaty when Brunel completed the GWR to say "The First Industrial Revolution is now over" only for the poo poo to hit the fan when those reactionary bastards went and invented production lines and kicked it all off again. The real problem is it's pretty easy to point at one thing - the seed drill, the spinning jenny, Darby's forge, the first artificial dye, whatever - and say "This is where it all began" but all of them are reliant on lots of other things that themselves were part of what some people would also call the Industrial Revolution. You can certainly point at the general area and say yeah, 1750, 1850, 1950 were the *middle* of each one but pointing to a beginning or end is impossible. For that matter are electric arc furnaces, which almost all modern metallurgy is based on, part of the first, second or third? They're a technology invented in the third, based on science from the second, to do one of the most important things of the first.
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OwlFancier posted:I think some of them might be army pilots and we never did ascertain whether they were troops. You can tell army pilots because they'll have much nicer boots than the average squaddie, but they won't be polished. Also they'll tell you about it within 0.3 seconds of you meeting them. If faster-than-light communication is possible, it will be discovered by a vegan army aircrew member.
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