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This is about vowing to not persecute Clinton. mannerup posted:https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/801111891229757441
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Lightning Knight posted:I have never said why bother. I have said that the delusion being pushed by a lot of you in the thread that it will be easy or go swimmingly or that there will be no tension between groups that have traditionally hated each other is stupid. We're saying "GIVE IT A CHANCE" while you're pouting about how labor abandoned the democrats because they're racist. You're otherizing them right out the gate while we're saying there should be a conversation.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:12
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Lightning Knight posted:You are remarkably dead set on ignoring American history and being self-righteous about how smart you are while doing it. It's like the very concept that the electorate actually chose conservative politicians for lovely, selfish, hateful reasons just doesn't occur to you. no, i'm just not pretending that the dems were blameless like you are. the dems ran from unions as republicans laid into them.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:13
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Covok posted:This is about vowing to not persecute Clinton. Who would've thought Trump walking it back slightly on some of his worst tin pot dictator promises would make me giggle.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:13
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Business Gorillas posted:Hmm yeah let's give them no option while a section of the elite is more than happy to paint minorities as the cause of their problems. Hope this turns out okay! What exactly the gently caress do you want to see happen that hasn't happened, Business Gorilla? You spent last night failing to comprehend my easily-readable posts about my family's experiences in this economy until Captain Obvious told you to learn to read and then you mysteriously disappeared. Now that the coast is clear you're back with your pithy reductionist '"-a leftist' poo poo and not much else. What do you want? What do you think the Democrats need to do to help rural voters that doesn't rely on throwing minorities under the bus or telling them implicitly that it's fine to be a racist idiot? What is your plan? Step out of the peanut gallery and share your wonderful thoughts. We're all waiting.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Who would've thought Trump walking it back slightly on some of his worst tin pot dictator promises would make me giggle. The fleeting moments of joy I have wrt politics lately come from the endless well of schadenfreude that are people that voted for trump legitimately shocked that they're getting swindled
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Nov 22, 2016 19:15
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Business Gorillas posted:We're saying "GIVE IT A CHANCE" while you're pouting about how labor abandoned the democrats because they're racist. I think you're delusional if you think it won't happen again. We can offer platitudes all day about how we can balance racial justice with economic reform, but at the end of the day we have to face the reality that the last major push to pull black people out of poverty resulted in massive white backlash in the middle and working class and resulted in the complete destruction of national level politics for anyone left of center. It won't be pretty when white working people are on average worse off now than they were then. quote:no, i'm just not pretending that the dems were blameless like you are. the dems ran from unions as republicans laid into them. I have specifically said that abandoning unions was a mistake, try again. The Dems ran from unions after losing back to back elections for fifteen years and getting completely repudiated at the national level. They won when they did. What does that tell you about the electorate?
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TheScott2K posted:What exactly the gently caress do you want to see happen that hasn't happened, Business Gorilla? You spent last night failing to comprehend my easily-readable posts about my family's experiences in this economy until Captain Obvious told you to learn to read and then you mysteriously disappeared. Now that the coast is clear you're back with your pithy reductionist '"-a leftist' poo poo and not much else. Offer anything substantive to improve their lives, i.e. sustainable reconstruction and an economic future and a place at the negotiating table, not just an ever-dwindling welfare check to draw out their wait to die because your candidate's campaign donors have found them superfluous.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:17
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Condiv posted:no, it's not sarcasm, sorry pretending to be stupid in some kind of gimmick isn't any better than actually being stupid, sorry lmao at you if you're going to get so mad about jokes on the internet that it actually influences your politics though
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Nov 22, 2016 19:17
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Offer anything substantive to improve their lives, i.e. sustainable reconstruction and an economic future and negotiating power against business interests, not just an ever-dwindling welfare check to draw out their wait to die because your candidate's campaign donors have found them superfluous. Tried that. Got blocked by Congress.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:18
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Oxxidation posted:Tried that. Got blocked by Congress. well then I guess just give up and resign yourself to an eternity of Trump, guy, your party's dead and it's because you've got nothing to offer the people who could vote for you.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:19
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That's what an autocrat who wants people desperate for reassurance that he isn't what they think he is says.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:20
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:well then I guess just give up and resign yourself to an eternity of Trump, guy, your party's dead and it's because you've got nothing to offer the people who could vote for you. Without a sea change in the electorate of most of the more conservative states and some kind of magical bullshit plan to hold Congress for longer than two years at a time, yeah, this is basically true.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:well then I guess just give up and resign yourself to an eternity of Trump, guy, your party's dead and it's because you've got nothing to offer the people who could vote for you. if your solution is for the democrats to somehow transcend the realities of the federal poltical system and implement sweeping reforms through sheer force of will and the righteous power of juche spirit then you really shouldn't be lecturing people about defeatism
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'it is literally impossible to implement policy in a democracy' - the people who think it'd be good if they were calling the shots
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Business Gorillas posted:You're the one that keeps on adding "white" in there. These people by and large don't care about the people working next to them, doubly so if they're getting a fair days pay. If "white" makes you uncomfortable, lets say "working class guy from rural area with no jobs." "For starters we need a new new deal and slowly get it into people's heads that a hard days work isn't necessary to survive as we move into an automated economy." What? These words don't make sense to me. You seem to be starting from a philosophy that I am unfamiliar with. "For that to happen though, people need to feel listened to and that their politicians aren't actively trying to gently caress them" So, when Christ returns on the clouds, then? Because "politicians" have always got a dirty reputation, even when they are pretty clean. And how do you make people "feel listened to"? That's so airy-fairy. People felt "listened to" by Trump even though he wasn't remotely listening to anything other than his own ego.
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TheScott2K posted:That's what an autocrat who wants people desperate for reassurance that he isn't what they think he is says. Yeah, translation here is "Trump had an episode of narcissistic rage and Prebus took the fall"
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Nov 22, 2016 19:24
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Nov 22, 2016 19:24
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quote:I have specifically said that abandoning unions was a mistake, try again. The Dems ran from unions after losing back to back elections for fifteen years and getting completely repudiated at the national level. They won when they did. What does that tell you about the electorate? not much. george h. w. bush was extremely unpopular and running for re-election, so i don't think dems winning back the presidency is a strong indicator that their anti-union message was what won the day
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Nov 22, 2016 19:24
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boner confessor posted:the cool thing about proposing unworkable and unrealistic solutions is that you can never be proven wrong so you're never actually accountable for your arugments if you have no idea what you'd do with a political office if you'd had it, why are you looking for advice on how to get one? You think it'd score you chicks at a party?
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Nov 22, 2016 19:26
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:well then I guess just give up and resign yourself to an eternity of Trump, guy, your party's dead and it's because you've got nothing to offer the people who could vote for you. Hillary Clinton, a garbage candidate, just narrowly lost election thanks to a surge in rural voters and complacency among rust belt city voters. The thing that's happening right now is not the harbinger of a permanent, sustainable Republican majority. Rural voters who aren't willing to lift a literal finger in service of policies that actually benefit themselves aren't deserving of unlimited pandering attempts from a party they have spurned.
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boner confessor posted:pretending to be stupid in some kind of gimmick isn't any better than actually being stupid, sorry nope, people in real life say it too man. i don't know why you think coastal liberals making GBS threads on flyover states and saying everyone should just leave if they don't want to be poor is online only or sarcasm
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Nov 22, 2016 19:26
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Offer anything substantive to improve their lives, i.e. sustainable reconstruction and an economic future and a place at the negotiating table, not just an ever-dwindling welfare check to draw out their wait to die because your candidate's campaign donors have found them superfluous. Ok here's the problem outside of a few places blessed by either an valuable, abundant natural resources or tourist destinations, rural America is unsustainable. Period. There is no future for places like Netwon, IA or Lamar, MO because they were not self sustaining stable entities in the first place; they were boom towns that survived far longer than they should have.
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Where is this new crop of Trump quotes coming from? Is he finally giving a presser? e: nvm, figured out he is at the NYT building apparently.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:27
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emdash posted:Where is this new crop of Trump quotes coming from? Is he finally giving a presser? Interview with the New York Times. Edit: https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/801129587581325313
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Glazier posted:Ok here's the problem outside of a few places blessed by either an valuable, abundant natural resources or tourist destinations, rural America is unsustainable. Period. There is no future for places like Netwon, IA or Lamar, MO because they were not self sustaining stable entities in the first place; they were boom towns that survived far longer than they should have. they're unsustainable in a pure free-market economics sense. i dunno why dems are so in love with the free market now
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Von Sloneker posted:On not prosecuting Clinton: Even Trump is tired of hearing about her drat emails. emdash posted:Where is this new crop of Trump quotes coming from? Is he finally giving a presser? Yeah, he's doing a press conference with the NYTs that he suddenly respects and loves.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:28
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New vote-winning dem policy proposal for 2020: literally bulldoze rural america
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Nov 22, 2016 19:31
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I didn't even think about the scope of the corruption that is going to take place. This is officially a Banana Republic.
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https://twitter.com/grynbaum/status/801129643550113793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/grynbaum/status/801129777490956288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Such an rear end in a top hat e: https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/801131100156239872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw America is hosed
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Condiv posted:not much. george h. w. bush was extremely unpopular and running for re-election, so i don't think dems winning back the presidency is a strong indicator that their anti-union message was what won the day Clinton won because the economy was in the shitter in 92. Before the economy tanked H W had extremely high popularity. Then the dems lost bigly in 94 because of raising taxes, failing to pass healthcare, and the two major scandals.
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Zeeman posted:https://twitter.com/grynbaum/status/801129643550113793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Bigly, if true.
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40 years of Democrats and Republicans and the average American is worse off so please stop pretending either party really gives a poo poo about the economy other than whatever it takes to get elected and make their donors happy
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Glazier posted:I have great sympathy to people who want to live in rural areas and work with their hands, but those days in America are over. I get that people have attachment to "working with your hands" and "making something" but we have simply become too productive for that to be a viable career for a large portion of our population. We of course must do all we can, including a mincome if necessary, to make sure that as our economy transitions the risk is on private corporations not their workers; but you have to meet us halfway. Yes you may have to move into the city, yes you might have to live in an apartment, and yes you might have to use public transit. ...Trump's getting a second term isn't he?
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mcmagic posted:Pressure your Electors. They can still save us. The EC going faithless and throwing this to Hillary would be an unmitigated disaster. Best case scenario she governs as a lame duck President for four years and we get routed in 2020. Worst case, civil war. Don't bother.
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Glazier posted:Ok here's the problem outside of a few places blessed by either an valuable, abundant natural resources or tourist destinations, rural America is unsustainable. Period. There is no future for places like Netwon, IA or Lamar, MO because they were not self sustaining stable entities in the first place; they were boom towns that survived far longer than they should have. we're talking about milwaukee wisconsin and youngstown ohio, not north dakota
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mcmagic posted:Pressure your Electors. They can still save us. If the electoral college rebels a loving civil war would happen
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