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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Eternal-playable specifically doesn't count Modern, which is not an Eternal format. Legacy isn't an eternal format either. It could accurately be described as a format that starts with Revised/The Dark. (Given what's actually played) 
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SoftNum posted:Legacy isn't an eternal format either. It could accurately be described as a format that starts with Revised/The Dark. (Given what's actually played) I know we're joking around and all, but Eternal formats kind of have a specific definition, which I'll quote from the Salvation wiki because their reference doesn't work (LOLWIZARDS) MTGS Wiki posted:Eternal formats are DCI tournament formats which allow cards from all Magic: The Gathering sets with the standard card back and black or white borders. (Unglued and Unhinged have silver borders and are therefore not included.) Also, the duals were printed back in ABU (ok, Volcanic Island wasn't in Alpha), and they're pretty key parts of the format, so not sure what the "actually played" is referring to. Unless it's a point about Revised duals being more accessible?
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Eternal-playable specifically doesn't count Modern, which is not an Eternal format. Even then though, Snapcaster and Delver are enormously playable cards in Legacy and Vintage. Does Rishadan Port come close to their usage?
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Nov 23, 2016 01:01
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Lunsku posted:Highlander with the restrictions. From Avacyn Restored, you could use Zealous Conscripts which also combos with Splinter Twin/Kiki if wanted one more combo piece.
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TheKingofSprings posted:I went through and counted 11 solid eternal playables not counting the multicoloured land cycle, how many did Masques have? There's a poo poo ton in Masques. Even if we discount the fringe / out of favor cards... Cards in Masques that are eternal playable to some degree: Reprints: Dark Ritual Counterspell Brainstorm Disenchant Essential Cards for Decks: Rishadan Port Food Chain Gush Rock Badger Invigorate Land Grant Vine Dryad (free spells is a fringe deck tho) Cave-In (this one is even more fringe, feel free to not count it) Multi-Deck Role Players (which have all pretty much fallen out of favor): Dust Bowl Misdirection Snuff Out (this is fringe and no longer played, feel free to not count it) Squee, Goblin Nabob Tower of the Magistrate Unmask 5x Depletion Lands (again, fringe)
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Serperoth posted:Also, the duals were printed back in ABU (ok, Volcanic Island wasn't in Alpha), and they're pretty key parts of the format, so not sure what the "actually played" is referring to. Unless it's a point about Revised duals being more accessible? I meant more like you can assemble every played legacy deck from cards printed after in and after revised. Mostly I just think the 'eternal' vs. 'non-rotating' distinction is pretty  and funny.
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SoftNum posted:I meant more like you can assemble every played legacy deck from cards printed after in and after revised. Mostly I just think the 'eternal' vs. 'non-rotating' distinction is pretty The difference is that eternal formats include all the cards from things like Conspiracy and commander decks - literally every black- and white-bordered card that's not explicitly banned. There are new cards being designed and printed even today that are not legal in Modern.
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Nov 23, 2016 01:43
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Unmask is actually seeing regular play in Legacy now due to B/R reanimator.
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Nov 23, 2016 01:52
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Don't forget Village Bell ringer and Resto Angel as Kiki targets. Imperial Recruiter too.
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Sigma-X posted:There's a poo poo ton in Masques. Even if we discount the fringe / out of favor cards... Really?
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blue.eyed.ash posted:Really? Badgers are very sneaky, you never know where they'll show up.
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Nov 23, 2016 03:03
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The RPTQ date has really snuck up on me, trying to figure out what to play. After dredge, what is the consensus best deck in the format? Does dredge have any bad game 1 matchups?
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Chuu posted:The RPTQ date has really snuck up on me, trying to figure out what to play. After dredge, what is the consensus best deck in the format? Does dredge have any bad game 1 matchups? Infect is the best deck. Dredge only has bad game 1s against decks that run anger main, and even then it's not bad.
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blue.eyed.ash posted:Really? I was wondering if anyone would actually read the list 
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Barry Shitpeas posted:When Maro did the storm scale article for Khans block, he revealed that megamorph was the least popular mechanic since they started doing market research. This week he was doing the Zendikar blocks How did Banding not make this list?
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mattah posted:How did Banding not make this list? Banding is a fine mechanic but it's crippled by needing to really understand the rules and the wording explaining it is godawful.
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mattah posted:How did Banding not make this list? They weren't doing this kind of market research back then. I'd bet that Cumulative Upkeep would be on the list otherwise.
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Nov 23, 2016 15:03
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Banding actually works a lot better since the m10 combat rules changes, but it's entirely different on defense than offense and when it causes problems, it becomes a mess. Love me some banding. And flanking.
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Nov 23, 2016 15:55
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mehall posted:And flanking. ice cold take: bushido is better than flanking kitsune blademaster for life
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Nov 23, 2016 15:58
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Elyv posted:ice cold take: bushido is better than flanking Bushido affects one creature and can't kill creatures itself. Flanking affects as many creatures as there are blockers, and can wipe out tokens.
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Nov 23, 2016 16:03
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mehall posted:Bushido affects one creature and can't kill creatures itself. I meant as a mechanic
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Elyv posted:ice cold take: bushido is better than flanking Rampage > Bushido
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Bushido is better design than flanking just because it doesn't have the corner case of flanking not counting when two creatures with it meet in combat.
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Nov 23, 2016 16:20
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blue.eyed.ash posted:Really? rock badger plus blood moon is unbeatable
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Nov 23, 2016 16:37
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Bushido is a great mechanic. I hope they just rename it to something a little more generic and make it evergreen, spread it throughout the colors. Prowess would've been a good name for it.
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I'm not sure it needs to be evergreen since it fills a similar role to first strike.
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Nov 23, 2016 17:18
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Those rankings aren't all-time, they're just for the mechanics they have current market research on.
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Nov 23, 2016 17:41
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Attorney at Funk posted:Those rankings aren't all-time, they're just for the mechanics they have current market research on. Speaking off, I hate the dumb market research they do. Market research is a big contributing factor in why standard is the way it is.
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Nov 23, 2016 17:45
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mehall posted:Banding actually works a lot better since the m10 combat rules changes, but it's entirely different on defense than offense and when it causes problems, it becomes a mess. Banding was pretty incomprehensible when I was a kid who didn't understand the rules of magic. This article makes it a lot simpler now that I know how declaring attackers and blocks works http://archive.wizards.com/dci/judge/main.asp?x=articles/jc20010830a
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Sickening posted:Speaking off, I hate the dumb market research they do. Market research is a big contributing factor in why standard is the way it is. Market research is a good way to ensure that your business does fine in the medium term by giving people the same boring thing that they keep asking for over and over until they eventually lose interest.
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Sickening posted:Speaking off, I hate the dumb market research they do. Market research is a big contributing factor in why standard is the way it is. Does market research actually tell them "People LOVE watching 2/3s and 4/5s with vigilance rub asses together, forever"?
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People don't like seeing their creatures killed, yeah.
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Count Bleck posted:Does market research actually tell them "People LOVE watching 2/3s and 4/5s with vigilance rub asses together, forever"? It probably tells them that a game where one player gets blown out by [insert unfun thing here] is a 8/10 for the winning player and a 3/10 for the losing one, while 2/3s with vigilance, forever, is a 6 for both, which is a higher number, so better *rolls eyes so hard they fall out of my head*
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Count Bleck posted:Does market research actually tell them "People LOVE watching 2/3s and 4/5s with vigilance rub asses together, forever"? People want to hit their opponent with big, efficient creatures and so when a pack gets opened the rare needs to be the bigger-ist and most efficient-itst around. Also if my big creature dies to their big creature that's no fun so we'll print every staple creature as an X/X+1.
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The new cube is great. Not pictured: Opponent on 5 cards in deck, I'm on 3 cards in deck. Had it locked anyway w/ the wurm but drawing the beast within felt good.
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The X/X+1 thing is not really what's going on in current standard though? Sylvan Advocate barely sees play now, I think Reflector Mage is really the only 2/3 of note. You guys just like to bitch about standard; I think the format is great right now. The SCG scene is lame and incestuous and self-reinforcing about what the "best decks" are but that's always true.
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sit on my Facebook posted:The X/X+1 thing is not really what's going on in current standard though? Sylvan Advocate barely sees play now, I think Reflector Mage is really the only 2/3 of note. Tell me why standard is great right now. This has nothing to do with scg.
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Count Bleck posted:Does market research actually tell them "People LOVE watching 2/3s and 4/5s with vigilance rub asses together, forever"? I actually remember thinking that as a kid when I was a new player. It was more fun to build up a huge army and get to see lots of cards than it was to win by blowout. I'm not sure if it was a new player thing or a kid thing, but now as an adult who's been playing for years its boring as poo poo.
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sit on my Facebook posted:The X/X+1 thing is not really what's going on in current standard though? Sylvan Advocate barely sees play now, I think Reflector Mage is really the only 2/3 of note. Spell Queller? Inventor's Apprentice?
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Anil Dasharez0ne posted:Spell Queller? Inventor's Apprentice? Kalitas, Ishkanah and her tokens, Elder Deep-Fiend, Mindwrack Demon.....
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