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Optimus Subprime posted:https://twitter.com/OurRevolution/status/801274345670574081 I feel like he's going to be viewed in the future much like Bill Clinton is today. Hated by the right due to being a powerful Democrat. Hated by the left due centrism as well as arguably trying to choke Left leaning politics due to a stance of moderatism, and adored by center-left leaners as they "fought the good fight". punk rebel ecks has issued a correction as of 05:58 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Zikan posted:perez is the opponent I fear the most because he can talk the talk and his department of labor has been trying many creative rulings to help workers Wasn't perez a vp contender; he seemed like a pretty good guy, is there much to dislike about him? For some reason I thought he was going to be in a position to run in 2020
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Nov 23, 2016 05:24
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Fidel Castronaut posted:See any retail manager. And bar/restaurant management! The amount of unpaid overtime I put in could have made a nice down payment on a house!
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Nov 23, 2016 05:32
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navyjack posted:And bar/restaurant management! The amount of unpaid overtime I put in could have made a nice down payment on a house! Could you try maybe...coal? Like any kind of coal adjacent thing? I think you'll find that's the only wages we'll pretend to care about.
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slicing up eyeballs posted:Wasn't perez a vp contender; he seemed like a pretty good guy, is there much to dislike about him? For some reason I thought he was going to be in a position to run in 2020 I think quite a few leftists were pulling for Perez to be picked as VP. The grumbling is from Obama not conceding to the Sanders wing at this point. Obama is a cool president but his leadership left the party in tatters at the end of the day.
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Nov 23, 2016 05:49
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yeah perez is a progressive darling, his time leading the civil right's division was incredibly active after GWB essentially gutted it and his department of labor actually did give a poo poo about workers he isn't a bad choice, he's just not the sanders faction choice
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Nov 23, 2016 05:52
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comingafteryouall posted:I think quite a few leftists were pulling for Perez to be picked as VP. The grumbling is from Obama not conceding to the Sanders wing at this point. Obama is a cool president but his leadership left the party in tatters at the end of the day. I'd post The Young Turks video again, but I feel that people would get annoyed about me posting it again.
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Lemming posted:
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Nov 23, 2016 06:08
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Austerity has done wonders for the UK, the GBP is now nearly in parity with the dollar!!
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Suckthemonkey posted:This story makes me all the more excited about Ellison. If Perez had half Obama's charisma I would want him for 2020. punk rebel ecks posted:I feel like he's going to be viewed in the future much like Bill Clinton is today. Hated by the right due to being a powerful Democrat. Hated by the left due centrism as well as arguably trying to choke Left leaning politics due to a stance of moderatism, and adored by center-left leaners as they "fought the good fight". I suspect he will have a slightly better outlet for bailing out the Auto industry, as well as, with some prodding being pro gay. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 06:19 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Nov 23, 2016 06:14
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I would really hope that the electors for the DNC chair are too shell-shocked to possibly consider taking any advice or personnel from the Obama administration at this point. Personal charisma aside, the man set fire to the party and gets pouty when confronted about it. I really don't want to see the party devolve into UK Labour.
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Nov 23, 2016 06:23
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Lemming posted:I had a similar experience edit:in CA. It's very difficult to understand what's going on on the back end, and I don't think that's entirely by accident. They don't seem super interested in getting new people involved. OK, I'll bite. What do I do in Los Angeles? I don't have a lot of free time, but I could manage to show up to one meeting a month.
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Nov 23, 2016 06:28
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I posted this in USPol, but it is also relevant here: So I was looking at the careers of previous DNC chairs, I wanted to see if this excuse about someone holding office had any merit to it. The examples I found of people who held office while being DNC Chairpeople were DWS and Tim Kaine. Before them, I didn't see anyone else who had held office while being DNC Chair (I didn't look at every name, and looked back at 1944 as the earliest). They oversaw the elections of 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016. So uh, maybe there is something to be said for someone doing the DNC Chair work full time. Historically, it hasn't really been a politician, it has been someone who has worked behind the scenes. I don't know if Perez would be the best pick, at a glance some of the more successful ones had been running state political machines before becoming DNC Chairpeople. But maybe Obama's admin has realized it really was a mistake letting people sitting in office act as DNC Chair.
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Also, politics and messaging aside, the reason I was excited to see Ellison throw his hat in the ring was because I felt he'd be effective in the role given his fundraising and organization ability. Perez has run for elected office before, but not since 2007. He's Obama's boy, and earlier than that O'Malley's. It's not about ideological purity, but new blood and pertinent experience.
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platzapS posted:Alright so I went to that Orlando Democratic meeting A few thoughts. Your meeting is much larger than the first one I went to, that seems really overwhelming. The tone however, that was familiar. It might be surprising to a lot of people but a lot of issues don't really get discussed a lot because everyone's in agreement. Some ideas for the next meeting (Please keep going. It only gets easier from here!) Try to keep an eye on who seems influential. Introduce yourself to a few people, maybe find someone who looks important, let them know you're new, ask them to introduce you to some other people that you ought to know. Maybe get a "Hi my name is platzapS" nametag. -Only precinct committeemen and committeewomen can run for or cast votes in this election. The only exception is local Democratic elected officials, like a miniature superdelegate system. Find the process to become a committeeman. You might have to wait two years to run, but you might be able to get appointed if there's a vacancy. Find out. This is the first step up. Find out what all the caucuses are, there are probably some room for more. Maybe a youth caucus, or a veterans caucus etc. Don't get discouraged. By attending one meeting you're way ahead of the game. Keep in touch with that young democrats guy. Doesn't look like you have plat, but if you ever do, feel free to PM me with questions. I'm in a different state but I can probably help you figure out some of the confusing stuff.
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Nov 23, 2016 06:42
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I'd love to invade the Cayman Islands.
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Nov 23, 2016 06:44
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Aurubin posted:Also, politics and messaging aside, the reason I was excited to see Ellison throw his hat in the ring was because I felt he'd be effective in the role given his fundraising and organization ability. Perez has run for elected office before, but not since 2007. He's Obama's boy, and earlier than that O'Malley's. It's not about ideological purity, but new blood and pertinent experience. This is also a good point. We're obviously at a political crossroads now, and people who were effective in the recent past might not be effective now. For example, the same DNC Chair oversaw the overwhelming Democratic victory in 1964 and the disastrous Democratic Convention in 1968. New blood and ideas might have a much larger impact on the DNC Chairperson's ability to get things done than whether they have other obligations to fulfill.
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Very relevant.quote:Mainstream anti-Berlusconism has indeed always preferred to deal in perceptions and impressions, rather than actual facts. Crowsbeak posted:I suspect he will have a slightly better outlet for bailing out the Auto industry, as well as, with some prodding being pro gay. punk rebel ecks has issued a correction as of 07:00 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Nov 23, 2016 06:53
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Yeah I really think we should have DNC leadership stay on the level after Hillary's huge potus and downticket runs and all the help obama gave her ...oh word?
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Nov 23, 2016 07:16
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gently caress off obama
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Nov 23, 2016 07:17
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Good news, Peter "I wannabe a ring wraith" Thiel, will die just like the rest of us. http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/22/13699108/blood-transfer-parabiosis-aging-youth-study-peter-thiel
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Nov 23, 2016 07:21
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Nov 23, 2016 07:27
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Can anyone fill me in on who Thomas Perez is and why we should not want him to be chair?
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Fulchrum posted:Isn't that projection based off a low dem turnout due to complacency, due to the assumption Trump wouldn't be in the white house? i just wanna point out, the assumption that trump makes the dems vote better and more often, or even just as much as the last time, is a big part of what got america into this. its a reallly bad assumption to make, ever, dont make it
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Queering Wheel posted:Can anyone fill me in on who Thomas Perez is and why we should not want him to be chair? Current Secretary of Labor. A genuine defender of worker and civil rights through his tenure when he was a assistant attorney general, maryland labor sec, and his current position. My opposition to him isn't political, it's one of strategy and experience. He only ran for office in a city council position. If I had to choose someone to run a political machine, at first blush I wouldn't put Perez near the top of my list.
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Karl Barks posted:well i live in something called REALITY, unlike you Xx_whiteandproud_xX lol
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Gonna be real, I think this feigning moral superiority poo poo is just as bad. It kills productive discussion by turning poo poo into instant tears: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_DgSy5cXlM
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Gonna be real, I think this feigning moral superiority poo poo is just as bad. It kills productive discussion by turning poo poo into instant tears: This current need to speak very genially and casually about the current political situation to about oh, 70-80% of D voters lest they fly into a JUST NUKE THE SOUTH tirade reminds me of the exact way one needed to kid-glove white conservatives for the past 8 years so they would just avoid bringing up what they'd like to do to Obama So many intelligent adults that i know are doing this hardline I will not listen to A Racist, and furthermore, thing and it's really frustrating because that is what gave trump the win
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:A few thoughts. All things I'll keep in mind! I get my first paycheck of a new job next week, plat is on the top of my list. fuckin hillary toxx
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Jonny 290 posted:This current need to speak very genially and casually about the current political situation to about oh, 70-80% of D voters lest they fly into a JUST NUKE THE SOUTH tirade reminds me of the exact way one needed to kid-glove white conservatives for the past 8 years so they would just avoid bringing up what they'd like to do to Obama I definitely agree. I think out of all the postmortems this one was the only one that got Trump's message right: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/trump-speeches-populism-war-economics-election/ I'm just scared that we've gone from phony economic populism con-man to all the worst parts of his speeches that everyone tried to vote in spite of and nothing else. Now we're grinding to a standstill because the media is both afraid to call kleptocratic nationalism by name and Fragile White People (hey I used to be one of them and could probably still do better) break down into tears when confronted with the reality of the situation. This is a good explanation of why doing that poo poo the anchor on CNN did is so caustic: https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/white-womens-tears-and-the-men-who-love-them-twlm/
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I love the democrats saying Ellison isn't as good of a fundraisers as _______, or that him being black or muslim is a liability. If fundraising won elections, we'd be making guac bowl jokes about Jeb! right now, and Ellison consistently wins ~70% of the vote in his district, which is mostly white, has a median income ~$40,000. Not to mention MN is literally adjacent to WI and IA, and from my experience people from MN, WI, and MI, are pretty similar overall. Really though all of this matters way less than the fact that Keith Ellison is the "Bernie" pick, and the DNC is shooting themselves in the foot if they take an opportunity to change their image and instead resurrect the primary battle that definitely didn't improve their chances of winning the 2016 election.
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Nov 23, 2016 10:14
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RIP Southwest Asian and Egyptian archaeology courses.
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Nov 23, 2016 10:45
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RIP every course. RIP FAFSA. RIP higher learning.
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Fidel Castronaut posted:RIP every course. RIP FAFSA. RIP higher learning. gently caress, this whole mess is really, really going to delay any attempt at grad school... (because funding is going to go to gently caress, and also because the economy is going to poo poo the bed and I won't be able to get a job).
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While you're at it you might as well get your healthcare needs addressed in the next month and change because healthcare is not on the menu in 2017.
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ScrubLeague posted:While you're at it you might as well get your healthcare needs addressed in the next month and change because healthcare is not on the menu in 2017. I turn 26 in April and lose my insurance through a parent, I can't get a job to save my life, let alone one with health insurance, and if they slacken controls on pre-existing condition denials I have no idea whether or not having Autism Spectrum Disorder will gently caress me. Also, if I can't get a job and I lose my SSI and Medicaid, because you know, somewhat disabled, I am hosed.  All of this is why I really, really loving hate all my family that vote Republican, even though personally they're fine, caring and helpful. They just keep voting to gently caress me, over and over, in ways that actually matter. Edit: oh gently caress when i lose my non-medicaid healthcare i also lose my brain pills. loving hell goddamn. KiteAuraan has issued a correction as of 11:36 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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